Tampa City Council - meeting transcription detail (2024)

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL
THURSDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2024, 9:00 A.M.

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9:03:56AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
9:03:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
9:03:58AM WELCOME TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL.
9:03:59AM I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER.
9:04:00AM AT THIS TIME, I YIELD TO COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, WHO WILL
9:04:02AM INTRODUCE OUR INVOCATION FOR TODAY.
9:04:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:04:05AM IT IS MY PLEASURE TODAY TO INTRODUCE CHAPLAIN WHO HAS BEEN A
9:04:09AM CHAPLAIN FOR MANY YEARS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WHO WILL DO
9:04:14AM THE INVOCATION THIS MORNING.
9:04:15AM PLEASE RISE FOR THE INVOCATION AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE
9:04:18AM PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
9:04:23AM >> LET'S PRAY.
9:04:24AM OUR FATHER, AS WE COME TO YOU TODAY, WE'RE ALSO REMINDED OF
9:04:28AM THE SEASON IN WHICH WE'RE IN OF THANKS GIVING.
9:04:34AM AND, LORD, I KNOW BEHIND ME STANDS MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE
9:04:45AM GREATLY IMPACTED BY THE HURRICANES.
9:04:49AM BUT, GOD, WE ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE WAS GREAT

9:04:54AM MERCY.
9:04:54AM LORD, WE THINK OF THE DAMAGE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN IN OUR
9:04:57AM CITY, AND WE THINK OF TWO HURRICANES BACK TO BACK.
9:05:02AM LORD, WE JUST LOOK AT OTHER STATES LIKE THE CAROLINAS AND
9:05:07AM SEE THE YEARS OF DAMAGE THAT THEY HAVE.
9:05:10AM SO, FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR MERCY IN THE MIDST OF THE
9:05:14AM STORM.
9:05:15AM FATHER, I DO PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THIS CITY, THAT YOU
9:05:19AM WOULD GIVE US GRACE, GIVE US FAVOR, THAT YOU KEEP OUR
9:05:24AM STREETS SAFE, THAT YOU WOULD BLESS OUR HOMES.
9:05:28AM LORD, WE DO PRAY FOR THOSE LAW ENFORCEMENTS AND FIRST
9:05:34AM RESPONDERS THAT ARE CONSTANTLY ON THE FRONT LINES THAT PUT
9:05:37AM THEMSELVES IN A DANGEROUS PLACE.
9:05:39AM WE PRAY FOR THEIR FAMILIES AND FOR THEIR SAFETY.
9:05:42AM LORD, WE PRAY FOR OUR MAYOR AND, LORD, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL
9:05:45AM THAT IS HERE.
9:05:46AM LORD, I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE DECISIONS THEY HAVE TO MAKE AND
9:05:50AM I KNOW THAT THERE ARE GREAT MATTERS OF WEIGHT THAT COME UPON
9:05:53AM THEM.
9:05:54AM I DO PRAY, LORD THAT THEY WOULD SEEK YOUR FACE AND THAT THEY
9:05:57AM WOULD KNOW THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO GIVE WISDOM AND TO SUSTAIN
9:06:01AM THEM AND TO HELP THEM.
9:06:03AM LORD, I JUST PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THIS CITY.
9:06:05AM LORD, WE'RE ASKING THAT YOU WOULD GIVE US GRACE AND MERCY,
9:06:09AM LORD.

9:06:09AM LORD, WE HAVE MANY THINGS, LORD, IN THIS PLACE THAT WE'RE
9:06:13AM THANKFUL FOR AND THE BENEFITS.
9:06:15AM WE JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE, LORD, YOUR KINDNESS TO US.
9:06:18AM WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD HELP US TO REMEMBER EVEN IN THE
9:06:21AM SEASON TO COME OF JESUS CHRIST.
9:06:24AM THANK YOU, LORD, FOR HOW YOU HAVE LOVED US AND LORD HOW THAT
9:06:27AM YOU HAVE PROVIDED FOR US YOUR SALVATION.
9:06:31AM LORD, WE THANK YOU FOR THAT AND ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON THIS
9:06:34AM MEETING, THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE, THAT YOU WOULD DIRECT AND IT
9:06:36AM IS IN JESUS' NAME WE PRAY, AMEN.
9:06:40AM [PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
9:06:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
9:06:58AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
9:06:59AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
9:07:00AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
9:07:02AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
9:07:03AM >> VIERA?
9:07:04AM MIRANDA?
9:07:04AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
9:07:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
9:07:06AM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
9:07:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
9:07:10AM MR. SHELBY, GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:07:12AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS
9:07:14AM OF CITY COUNCIL AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

9:07:16AM MARTIN SHELBY, THE CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
9:07:17AM I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A FEW MINUTES TO REVIEW WITH YOU AND
9:07:21AM WITH CITY COUNCIL THE RULES OF DECORUM, HOW WE CONDUCT
9:07:26AM TODAY'S MEETING.
9:07:27AM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK DURING GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE
9:07:31AM FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND PLACE IT IN THE BOX OUTSIDE.
9:07:35AM ONE CARD PER SPEAKER.
9:07:36AM I JUST WANT YOU AND COUNCIL TO BE AWARE THAT THE SECOND
9:07:39AM FLOOR IS OPEN.
9:07:40AM THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE WHO WISH TO SPEAK.
9:07:43AM NOW, CARDS WILL BE ACCEPTED UNTIL THE START OF GENERAL
9:07:46AM PUBLIC COMMENT, THAT'S DURING THE TIME THAT WE HAVE
9:07:49AM CEREMONIAL.
9:07:50AM EACH PERSON SUBMITTING A CARD WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY NAME TO
9:07:54AM APPROACH AND SPEAK.
9:07:55AM THE CHAIR WILL SAY THE NAME OF THE SPEAKER AND ALSO TELL WHO
9:07:59AM WOULD BE FOLLOWING THAT SPEAKER, SO THAT PERSON COULD BE
9:08:01AM PREPARED TO BE NEXT IN LINE TO SPEAK.
9:08:03AM A THREE-MINUTE TIME LIMIT APPLIES TO ALL SPEAKERS.
9:08:09AM WHEN YOU COME UP TO THE LECTERN, AT THE TOP OF THE LECTERN
9:08:12AM YOU'LL NOTICE A LITTLE DEVICE THAT HAS THREE COLORED LIGHTS
9:08:14AM -- A GREEN, YELLOW AND A RED LIGHT.
9:08:17AM WHEN YOU BEGIN SPEAKING, THE GREEN LIGHT GOES ON.
9:08:20AM WITH 30 SECONDS REMAINING, YOU'LL HEAR A TONE AND THE YELLOW
9:08:23AM LIGHT WILL GO ON.

9:08:25AM WHEN THE RED LIGHT GOES ON, THERE WILL BE A CONTINUOUS BEEP.
9:08:28AM WE ASK THAT YOU REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING AFTER THAT OR WRAP UP
9:08:30AM YOUR REMARKS VERY QUICKLY.
9:08:32AM PLEASE, ALLOW THE NEXT SPEAKER TO COME UP TO ADDRESS THE
9:08:37AM CITY COUNCIL.
9:08:38AM NOW, WITH REGARD TO THINGS LIKE DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT, PLEASE
9:08:43AM AVOID AND REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE CONDUCT OR BEHAVIOR DURING
9:08:47AM THE MEETING THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD AFFECT THE
9:08:52AM ABILITY OF COUNCIL TO CONDUCT A MEETING WITH DECORUM.
9:08:55AM WE WOULD ASK YOU TO REFRAIN FROM CLAPPING AND SNAPPING, IF
9:08:59AM YOU DO, AND THE REASON WE'RE DOING THAT IS BECAUSE IT SERVES
9:09:02AM TWO PURPOSES.
9:09:03AM NUMBER ONE, IT SPEEDS UP THE MEETING.
9:09:07AM IT ALLOWS THE NEXT SPEAKER TO GET UP THERE AND BEGIN
9:09:10AM SPEAKING RAPIDLY OR QUICKER.
9:09:11AM THE OTHER THING IT DOES, IT ALLOWS YOU TO HEAR WHO THE NEXT
9:09:15AM SPEAKER IS SO THE CHAIR DOESN'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE NOISE
9:09:17AM STOPS TO BE ABLE TO ANNOUNCE WHO THE NEXT SPEAKERS WILL BE.
9:09:20AM PLEASE REMAIN MINDFUL OF THAT AND RESPECTFUL OF THAT.
9:09:23AM NOW, PLEASE PRINT LEGIBLY BECAUSE NAMES THAT CANNOT BE READ
9:09:28AM WILL NOT BE CALLED.
9:09:29AM NOW, IF YOU ARE HERE TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING REGARDING A STAFF
9:09:34AM REPORT, TIME TO SPEAK TO THAT IS AT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:09:38AM IF YOU CAN, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER -- EXCUSE
9:09:47AM ME, THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING A SPEAKER

9:09:50AM UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:09:53AM AND THE PUBLIC SHOULD BE AWARE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES
9:09:55AM NOT TAKE QUESTIONS OR HAVE A DIALOGUE DURING GENERAL PUBLIC
9:09:58AM COMMENT.
9:09:58AM THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS YOUR POSITION.
9:10:02AM NOW, ANYBODY WHO SPEAKS WITHOUT BEING RECOGNIZED OR ATTEMPTS
9:10:06AM TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL FROM OUTSIDE THE AREA OR FAILING TO
9:10:09AM COMPLY WITH THESE RULES OF DECORUM MAY BE RULED OUT OF ORDER
9:10:12AM BY THE CHAIR AND AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR MAY BE
9:10:15AM REMOVED FROM THE CHAMBERS FOR THE REMAINDER OF TODAY'S
9:10:17AM MEETING.
9:10:18AM SO, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
9:10:21AM WE LOOK FORWARD TO IT.
9:10:22AM THANK YOU.
9:10:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:10:24AM MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR
9:10:26AM MEETING FROM NOVEMBER 7, 2024?
9:10:28AM AND THE EVENING SESSION HELD NOVEMBER 14, 2024?
9:10:31AM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:10:33AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:10:34AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:10:34AM AYE.
9:10:35AM ALL RIGHT.
9:10:36AM I'M GOING TO GO TO THE AGENDA.
9:10:38AM ITEM 3, F.D.O.T. DOES NOT HAVE AN UPDATE.

9:10:44AM THERE IS NOTHING FOR NUMBER THREE.
9:10:47AM WE'LL GET RID OF THAT.
9:10:48AM LET'S GO THROUGH STAFF REPORTS.
9:10:49AM THERE IS NO ADMINISTRATION UPDATE.
9:10:51AM ITEM NUMBER 55, DO WE NEED STAFF PRESENT FOR 55?
9:11:02AM >> MR. CHAIRMAN?
9:11:03AM CHAIRMAN?
9:11:06AM BRAD BAIRD.
9:11:09AM I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR A CONTINUANCE ON THIS TO DECEMBER 5,
9:11:15AM IF I COULD.
9:11:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO DECEMBER
9:11:18AM 5 FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:11:19AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:11:21AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:11:21AM AYE.
9:11:22AM ANY OPPOSED.
9:11:23AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BAIRD.
9:11:24AM ITEM 56, DO WE NEED -- WE HAVE A WRITTEN RESPONSE FOR THIS.
9:11:29AM DO WE NEED STAFF PRESENT FOR 56?
9:11:30AM ANYBODY?
9:11:31AM NO.
9:11:32AM ALL RIGHTY.
9:11:34AM ITEM NUMBER 57.
9:11:36AM DO WE NEED STAFF PRESENT?
9:11:40AM NO.

9:11:41AM ALL RIGHT.
9:11:42AM ITEM NUMBER 58.
9:11:44AM YES.
9:11:45AM ITEM NUMBER 59.
9:11:47AM YES.
9:11:48AM ITEM NUMBER 60.
9:11:52AM YES?
9:11:58AM >> YES.
9:12:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: 60 WE'LL SAY YES.
9:12:02AM IF THERE IS A CHANGE, WE'LL BRING IT UP.
9:12:04AM ITEM NUMBER 61.
9:12:05AM DO WE NEED STAFF FOR 61?
9:12:09AM NO ON 61.
9:12:13AM HOW ABOUT 62?
9:12:13AM NO ON 62.
9:12:18AM ITEM 63.
9:12:19AM >>LUIS VIERA: YES, PLEASE.
9:12:22AM IF I MAY, MR. CHAIR, FOR 63, I'LL REACH OUT TO MS. FEELEY
9:12:26AM AND CHIEF TRIPP IN BETWEEN, AND TO POTENTIALLY NOT HAVE
9:12:30AM THAT.
9:12:31AM BUT AT THIS TIME, YES, WE COULD --
9:12:32AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE CAN WAIT UNTIL AFTER LUNCH.
9:12:34AM >>LUIS VIERA: I THINK WE WILL, BUT VERY LIKELY.
9:12:37AM BUT I WILL REACH OUT.
9:12:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'LL SAY YES ON 63 PENDING.

9:12:40AM >>LUIS VIERA: JUST GIVEN THE FACT THAT IT IS THE CHIEF OF
9:12:44AM FIRE, THAT WE HAVE A PACKED AGENDA AND I WOULDN'T WANT HER
9:12:48AM HERE WAITING TWO, THREE HOURS.
9:12:50AM WE HAVE AFTER LUNCH, REASONABLE TIME CERTAIN IF AT ALL
9:12:52AM POSSIBLE.
9:12:53AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:12:53AM ITEM 64, THERE IS A REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO DECEMBER 19.
9:12:57AM >>LYNN HURTAK: 64 AND 65, MY ONLY CAVEAT TO THE EXTENSION IS
9:13:03AM THAT DECEMBER 19, I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO EXTEND IT ANY
9:13:07AM FURTHER.
9:13:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DECEMBER 19 IS A HARD CONTINUANCE,
9:13:12AM MEANING NO FURTHER CONTINUANCES.
9:13:13AM BE PREPARED DECEMBER 19.
9:13:15AM CAN I GET A MOTION FOR 64 AND 65?
9:13:17AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MR. CHAIRMAN?
9:13:19AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: SECOND.
9:13:19AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF I CAN, I'M CONCERNED TO KNOW HOW COUNCIL
9:13:22AM WILL HANDLE THIS BECAUSE, PER YOUR RULES, THERE ARE ALREADY
9:13:26AM SEVEN STAFF REPORTS FOR DECEMBER 19.
9:13:28AM SO EVERY TIME YOU CONTINUE THAT, ARE YOU ALSO GOING TO HAVE
9:13:32AM AT THIS POINT IN TIME WAIVING THE RULES TO DO THAT?
9:13:36AM >>LYNN HURTAK: THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT
9:13:42AM IN-PERSON REPORTS.
9:13:43AM THIS IS THE GENERAL FUND.
9:13:45AM I'M WILLING TO WAIVE THE RULES FOR THAT, BUT I'M ALSO

9:13:48AM WILLING TO LOOK AT THE CALENDAR TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING I
9:13:50AM CAN MOVE FROM ME.
9:13:53AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: [INAUDIBLE]
9:13:54AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
9:13:56AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:13:57AM AYE.
9:13:58AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:13:58AM THAT'S EVERYBODY.
9:14:00AM THE RULES ARE WAIVED, SO WE'LL CONTINUE 64 AND 65 TO
9:14:04AM DECEMBER 19, 2024.
9:14:05AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:14:06AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
9:14:07AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:14:08AM AYE.
9:14:09AM ITEM NUMBER 66 WILL BE PRESENT FOR A VERBAL REPORT, THAT IS
9:14:14AM A YES.
9:14:15AM ITEM 67, THERE IS A WRITTEN REPORT.
9:14:17AM DO WE NEED ANYBODY IN PERSON OR SATISFIED WITH THAT?
9:14:21AM ANYBODY?
9:14:28AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: [INAUDIBLE]
9:14:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOVE TO STRIKE ITEM 67.
9:14:32AM WITHDRAW THAT.
9:14:33AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
9:14:34AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:14:35AM ALL IN FAVOR?

9:14:37AM AYE.
9:14:37AM ITEM 67 HAS BEEN TAKEN OFF THE AGENDA.
9:14:39AM ITEM 68, A REQUEST TO CONTINUE TO FEBRUARY 27, 2025.
9:14:43AM WORKSHOP OR MARCH 2025 REGULAR SESSION.
9:14:46AM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, THIS WAS MY AGENDA ITEM.
9:14:49AM I'VE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEYS ABOUT IT.
9:14:52AM THEY UNDERSTAND MY INTENT WITH THIS, AS WE ALL SAW IN A
9:14:55AM RECENT AGENDA ITEM.
9:14:56AM THEY ARE -- I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS HIGHLIGHT THE
9:15:02AM DIFFERENCES AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROPERTIES VERSUS
9:15:04AM PROPERTIES THAT DON'T HAVE ACTUALLY VALUE, SLIVERS OF
9:15:08AM PROPERTY VERSUS SUBSTANTIAL ASSETS.
9:15:10AM I THINK THAT'S WHY THE DISCUSSION SHOULD HAPPEN.
9:15:12AM I MOVE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO FEBRUARY 27.
9:15:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
9:15:17AM CLENDENIN.
9:15:17AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:15:19AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:15:19AM AYE.
9:15:20AM ITEMS 69 AND 70 ARE WRITTEN, AND THEY JUST NEED TO BE
9:15:24AM RECEIVED AND FILED.
9:15:24AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, SECOND FROM COUNCIL
9:15:24AM MEMBER MIRANDA.
9:15:25AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:15:26AM AYE.

9:15:26AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:15:27AM MR. SHELBY, YES, SIR.
9:15:30AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE LAST THING, NOW THAT YOU'VE APPROVED
9:15:33AM THE AGENDA, THOSE ITEMS, ESPECIALLY PARTICULARLY THE
9:15:37AM BIG-TICKET ITEMS UNDER STAFF REPORTS, I SUGGEST WE MOVE THEM
9:15:41AM UP AT THE END OF THE CONSENT DOCKET TO TAKE THE ITEMS THAT
9:15:44AM YOU CAN MOVE AT THE SAME TIME TO BE ABLE TO SAVE TIME AND TO
9:15:47AM HAVE THE STAFF REALIZE THAT THOSE ITEMS HAVE BEEN PASSED.
9:15:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE ONES THAT WE DON'T NEED STAFF
9:15:52AM PRESENT.
9:15:52AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THE ONES DON'T NEED STAFF, TAKE CARE OF IT
9:15:55AM IN THE MORNING.
9:15:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: FAIR ENOUGH.
9:15:56AM MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA?
9:15:58AM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
9:15:59AM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
9:16:01AM ALL IN FAVOR?
9:16:02AM AYE.
9:16:02AM ANY OPPOSED?
9:16:03AM ITEM NUMBER 1 IS COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA'S MOTION.
9:16:07AM GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:17:01AM >>LUIS VIERA: MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:17:03AM WE HAVE A FRIEND HERE, MR. DAVID ROWLAND WHO IS THE COUNSEL
9:17:07AM FOR THE 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT HERE.
9:17:09AM WE'RE HERE TO HONOR HIM FOR 30 YEARS OF SERVICE AS GENERAL

9:17:14AM COUNSEL TO THE 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH
9:17:16AM COUNTY.
9:17:17AM I'VE HAD THE GREAT PLEASURE OF KNOWING MR. ROWLAND FOR A
9:17:19AM NUMBER OF YEARS.
9:17:21AM THERE ARE MANY, MANY NOTABLES HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE
9:17:24AM HERE TO HELP HONOR MR. ROWLAND, INCLUDING -- AND I HOPE I
9:17:28AM DON'T MISS ANYBODY, BY THE WAY -- WE HAVE CHIEF JUDGE
9:17:32AM SABELLA WHO IS HERE.
9:17:34AM WE HAVE FORMER CHIEF JUDGE FICARROTTA WHO IS HERE.
9:17:37AM WE HAVE JUDGE DARREN WHO IS HERE.
9:17:40AM WE HAVE SENIOR JUDGE BARTON WHO IS HERE.
9:17:42AM WE HAVE COUNTY COMMISSIONER HARRY COHEN WHO IS HERE.
9:17:45AM IT IS A REAL PLEASURE.
9:17:46AM WE HAVE JULIE HOLT, WHO I SAW IS HERE, PUBLIC DEFENDER.
9:17:49AM WE HAVE MR. SCOTT STEAGALL WITH THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY BAR
9:17:53AM ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
9:17:54AM MS. GRACE YING, PAST PRESIDENT OF HCBA.
9:17:59AM MS. LINDSEY SIERRA, WHO IS GENERAL COUNSEL FOR THE 6th
9:18:03AM JUDICIAL CIRCUIT.
9:18:04AM ALSO WITH THE JUNIOR LEAGUE, WE HAVE THE OFFICE OF
9:18:08AM REPRESENTATIVE AND HOUSE MINORITY LEADER DRISCOLL AND SARAH
9:18:12AM COUTURE WITH FEES -- [INAUDIBLE] -- THERE YOU GO.
9:18:17AM IF I MISSED ANYBODY, I SINCERELY APOLOGIZE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW
9:18:22AM HOW IT IS.
9:18:22AM MR. ROWLAND HAS BEEN CHIEF COUNSEL TO THE 13th JUDICIAL

9:18:26AM CIRCUIT HERE IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FOR OVER 30 YEARS.
9:18:28AM THIS IS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT JOB THAT HE DOES.
9:18:31AM NOT JUST AS OVERSEE NUMEROUS STAFF ATTORNEYS WHO PROVIDE
9:18:36AM LEGAL COUNSEL TO JUDGES ON SPECIFIC CASES, BUT IT IS MR.
9:18:39AM ROWLAND'S SPECIFIC JOB TO PROVIDE LEGAL COUNSEL NOT JUST TO
9:18:43AM THE 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT AS A WHOLE, BUT TO JUDGES
9:18:46AM INDIVIDUALLY ON ETHICS ISSUES.
9:18:48AM IMAGINE THIS GENTLEMAN AND HOW HE IS IN THE HOT SEAT EVERY
9:18:52AM SINGLE DAY WITH JUDGES WHO ASK HIM QUESTIONS ON, CAN I GO TO
9:18:55AM THIS EVENT?
9:18:55AM WHAT CAN I DO ON SOCIAL MEDIA?
9:19:00AM IN A TIME OF POLITICIZATION, OF SOCIAL MEDIA AND VAST
9:19:03AM EXPOSURE FOR POLITICAL OFFICIALS BUT ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE
9:19:08AM JUDICIARY, THIS IS A VERY, VERY HOT SEAT THAT THIS MAN
9:19:10AM OCCUPIES.
9:19:10AM HE WEARS MANY, MANY HATS.
9:19:12AM HE'S NOT JUST A PUBLIC SERVANT.
9:19:14AM NOT JUST AN OUTSTANDING ATTORNEY WHO IS TRUSTED BY OUR LOCAL
9:19:17AM BAR AND BY OUR 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT, HE'S ALSO A VERY
9:19:20AM PROUD FATHER.
9:19:21AM HIS SON JORDAN IS A WONDERFUL YOUNG MAN WHO I MET WHO WORKS
9:19:25AM AT CUP.
9:19:26AM MANY OF YOU KNOW CUP OVER IN SOUTH TAMPA.
9:19:28AM A WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION AND ALSO A CLIENT OF McDONALD'S
9:19:31AM TRAINING CENTER.

9:19:32AM THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE REALLY HONOR DAVID ROWLAND FOR
9:19:36AM IS FOR NOT JUST BEING A REALLY GOOD PUBLIC SERVANT BUT A
9:19:39AM HUMBLE PUBLIC SERVANT.
9:19:41AM HE IS A MAN OF GREAT HUMILITY.
9:19:43AM AND JUST DECENCY AND A GOOD PUBLIC SERVANT.
9:19:48AM WITHOUT HIM, THE 13th JUDICIAL CIRCUIT WOULD NOT RUN ON
9:19:52AM TIME.
9:19:52AM AGAIN, OUR JUDGES RELY ON HIM FOR HIS LEGAL EXPERTISE.
9:19:57AM FOR THAT AND SO MUCH MORE, IT IS OUR GREAT PLEASURE TO GIVE
9:19:59AM MR. ROWLAND AND TAMPA CITY COUNCIL COMMENDATION.
9:20:03AM HE IS UNABLE TO STAND AT THIS TIME FOR SOME ISSUES, BUT WE
9:20:06AM WILL DO THIS OVER TO HIM AND WE HONOR HIM.
9:20:10AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:20:10AM THANK YOU.
9:20:32AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:20:52AM COUNCILMAN VIERA HAS TOLD ME HE'S BEEN WANTING TO DO THIS A
9:21:12AM LONG TIME, UNFORTUNATELY OR FORTUNATELY, DOESN'T MATTER,
9:21:15AM IT'S BEING DONE TODAY, AND I'M GLAD BECAUSE I'M GETTING THIS
9:21:21AM AND HE'S MENTIONED A COUPLE OF THINGS ABOUT ME.
9:21:28AM I'VE HAD A LOT OF SERVICE AT THE COURT.
9:21:32AM I THINK LUIS WANTED TO RECOGNIZE ME AND I RETIRED AND YOU
9:21:38AM DIDN'T KNOW THAT, DID YOU, UNTIL RECENTLY.
9:21:42AM UNTIL RECENTLY.
9:21:44AM HIS RECOGNITION OF ME WAS BEFORE MY RETIREMENT.
9:21:50AM THEN I RETIRED.

9:21:51AM AND IT WAS LIKE, WOW.
9:21:54AM SO A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENED SINCE THEN, CLEARLY, BECAUSE I
9:22:02AM DIDN'T THINK CITY COUNCIL WAS THIS -- HAD THIS MANY PEOPLE.
9:22:12AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:22:13AM WE HAVE ALL COUNCILMEN AND COUNCILWOMEN HERE, AND I GUESS IT
9:22:30AM HAPPENS A LOT.
9:22:31AM JUDGES WORK EVERY SINGLE DAY.
9:22:37AM I'M GOING TO BE HONORED BY THE COUNCIL AND I'M GOING TO BE
9:22:40AM HONORED TODAY BY THE COUNCIL.
9:22:42AM I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE THAT.
9:22:45AM COUNCILMAN VIERA WANTED TO DO THIS, AND IT'S GREAT.
9:22:49AM I GOT TO SAY BEFORE I'M RECOGNIZED --
9:22:57AM >>LUIS VIERA: WE DID IT.
9:22:59AM >> I HAVE TO SAY, I'VE DONE 34 YEARS PLUS, AND I'M GETTING
9:23:04AM THIS EXCELLENT HONOR, BUT I ALSO HAVE A SON.
9:23:13AM AND MY SON JORDAN WORKS AT CUP, LUIS JUST MENTIONED THAT,
9:23:19AM AND HE WORKS AT TWO CUP LOCATIONS.
9:23:21AM BUT WE LIVE VERY CLOSE TO CUP NUMBER 2.
9:23:28AM AND HE WORKS THERE ON SATURDAY MORNINGS ALMOST EVERY DAY,
9:23:34AM EVERY DAY.
9:23:39AM >> WE WANTED ON BEHALF OF ALL THE JUDGES COME DOWN AND THANK
9:23:41AM YOU AND CONGRATULATE YOU BECAUSE WE COULDN'T LIVE AT THE
9:23:45AM COURTHOUSE WITHOUT YOU.
9:23:47AM SO WE WANT TO THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH.
9:23:49AM ALL RIGHT.

9:23:51AM COME HERE, I HAVE SOME JUDGES THAT WANT TO TALK TO YOU.
9:23:53AM ALL RIGHT.
9:23:54AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:24:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:24:14AM CONGRATULATIONS.
9:24:15AM [ APPLAUSE ]
9:24:15AM WE'LL TAKE A MOMENT AS THE ROOM CLEARS OUT.
9:24:32AM ALL RIGHTY.
9:25:11AM ITEM 2, HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY REQUESTED TO PROVIDE A TEN
9:25:14AM MINUTE PRESENTATION REGARDING A REVIEW INITIATED BY THE
9:25:16AM BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON THE STUDY OF THE INTEGRATED
9:25:19AM STORMWATER SYSTEM COUNTYWIDE TO EXAMINE WHAT WORKED, WHAT
9:25:22AM DIDN'T, AND WHAT IMPROVEMENTS MAY NEED TO BE MADE TO
9:25:25AM MITIGATE FLOODING AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
9:25:28AM WE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE COUNTY AND FORMER --
9:25:32AM ACTUALLY MY FAVORITE -- HARRY COHEN.
9:25:35AM I'LL JUST SAY YOU ARE MY FAVORITE.
9:25:36AM GO AHEAD, SIR.
9:25:37AM GOOD MORNING.
9:25:38AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:25:38AM THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS COUNCIL.
9:25:42AM COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS GREG HORWEDEL, DEPUTY COUNTY
9:25:47AM ADMINISTRATOR FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
9:25:47AM JOINED BY ASSISTANT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR KIM BYER PUBLIC
9:25:53AM WORKS, DIRECTOR OF ENGINEERING AND OPERATIONS, JOSH

9:25:55AM BELLOTTI.
9:25:56AM AND ONE OF YOUR FORMER COLLEAGUES AND ALSO ONE OF MY
9:25:59AM FAVORITES, COUNTY COMMISSIONER HARRY COHEN.
9:26:02AM TODAY, I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THE COUNTY IS
9:26:05AM DOING IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE STORMWATER FLOODING THAT WE
9:26:08AM ALL EXPERIENCED AS PART OF THE TWIN HURRICANES THAT WE SAW
9:26:13AM IN LATE SEPTEMBER AND EARLY OCTOBER.
9:26:15AM FIRST, A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT.
9:26:21AM SO WHEN WE HAD HURRICANE MILTON, WHICH WAS ON THE HEELS OF
9:26:25AM AN EXTENSIVE RAINY SEASON AS WELL AS THE HURRICANE HELENE
9:26:29AM THAT CAME THROUGH AND DAMAGED A LOT OF OUR COASTLINE, TOOK
9:26:32AM OUT ABOUT 10% OF THE COUNTY, MILTON CAME ALONG AND TOOK OUT
9:26:37AM THE OTHER 90% OF THE COUNTY.
9:26:39AM REALLY IS COMPLETELY INVOLVING THE ENTIRETY OF HILLSBOROUGH
9:26:42AM COUNTY.
9:26:42AM CONTEXT IS IMPORTANT HERE BECAUSE IN THAT 24-HOUR PERIOD,
9:26:49AM WHAT WE SAW FOR RAINFALL WAS APPROXIMATELY, AS ESTIMATED BY
9:26:52AM OUR STAFF, ABOUT 1.55 BILLION GALLONS OF WATER.
9:26:58AM PUT THAT INTO CONTEXT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU HEAR 10 TO 15 INCHES
9:27:02AM OF RAIN, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO CONCEPTUALIZE THAT.
9:27:05AM BUT WHAT THAT MEANS IS, IF YOU SAW THE OLYMPICS THIS PAST
9:27:07AM SUMMER, YOU SAW THE OLYMPIC-SIZE POOLS, WHICH ARE SEVERAL
9:27:11AM ORDER OF MAGNITUDE BIGGER THAN A RESIDENTIAL POOL.
9:27:15AM THAT IS EQUIVALENT TO 250,000 OLYMPIC-SIZED POOLS FILLED TO
9:27:20AM THE BRIM.

9:27:21AM IF YOU PUT THOSE ALL TOGETHER, IT WOULD COVER THE ENTIRE
9:27:24AM CITY OF ORLANDO.
9:27:25AM SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
9:27:27AM ON TOP OF THAT, MANY OF OUR STORMWATER SYSTEMS -- I BELIEVE
9:27:32AM TAMPA HAS THE SAME STANDARD AS WE HAVE -- ARE ALL BUILT TO
9:27:36AM HANDLE 25-YEAR STORMS.
9:27:40AM WE DID NOT HAVE A 25-YEAR STORM.
9:27:41AM WE HAD SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A 250-YEAR STORM AND A 500-YEAR
9:27:46AM STORM.
9:27:46AM SO WE HAD EXTENSIVE FLOODING.
9:27:50AM THE COMMUNITIES THAT SAW EVACUATION NOTICES FOR HELENE WERE
9:27:55AM BECAUSE THE EVACUATION ZONES ARE PREDICATED UPON THE STORM
9:27:58AM SURGE, AND WE DID SEE QUITE A BIT OF STORM SURGE.
9:28:01AM I KNOW THE CITY WAS IMPACTED AS WAS A NUMBER OF COMMUNITIES
9:28:06AM IN THE COUNTY.
9:28:07AM APOLLO BEACH, DANA SHORES, ALL OF THOSE AREAS GOT REALLY HIT
9:28:12AM HARD.
9:28:12AM THE FRESHWATER FLOODING THAT WE SAW WITH HURRICANE MILTON
9:28:15AM WAS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
9:28:17AM WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF FLOODING THAT WE SAW, IT
9:28:21AM WAS DIRECTLY A RESULT THE FACT THAT WE ARE BUILT TO A
9:28:25AM CERTAIN STANDARD, AND THAT WE HAD A LOT MORE WATER THAN WE
9:28:29AM COULD EVER IMAGINE THOSE SYSTEMS BEING ABLE TO HANDLE.
9:28:33AM IT'S SIMILAR TO IF YOU PUT A ONE CUP MEASURING CUP ON YOUR
9:28:39AM COUNTERTOP AND ATTEMPT TO POUR A GALLON OF WATER IN THE CUP

9:28:42AM WITHOUT SPILLING ANYTHING, IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK.
9:28:44AM SO WE'VE GOT A LOT OF COMPLAINTS, CONCERNS, ISSUES FROM A
9:28:51AM LOT OF RESIDENTS WHO NEVER EXPERIENCED FLOODING BECAUSE,
9:28:54AM FRANKLY, THEY'VE NEVER SEEN THAT LEVEL OF STORM HERE IN
9:28:57AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY OR THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:29:00AM OUR COUNTY COMMISSION HAS ASKED US TO ENGAGE IN A THOROUGH
9:29:05AM INVESTIGATION OF WHAT HAPPENED, WHY DID WE HAVE THE LEVEL OF
9:29:09AM FLOODING WE DID.
9:29:10AM I THINK SOME OF THAT, OF COURSE, HAS TO BE WEATHER-RELATED.
9:29:13AM IT HAS TO BE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE
9:29:16AM FOR OUR VARIOUS DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME INTO THE COUNTY AND
9:29:20AM INTO THE CITY.
9:29:21AM SO WHEN WE LOOK AT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT
9:29:26AM WE NEED TO HAVE OUR PARTNERS, CITY OF TAMPA, PLANT CITY,
9:29:31AM TEMPLE TERRACE, S.W.F.W.M.D., EPC AND MANY OTHERS, ENGAGE IN
9:29:35AM A HOLISTIC EFFORT TO LOOK AT ALL OF OUR STORMWATER
9:29:38AM STRUCTURES, LOOK AT THE FLOODING THAT OCCURRED AND THEN
9:29:41AM ULTIMATELY MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS NOT JUST TO THIS BODY, BUT
9:29:44AM ALSO TO THE COUNTY COMMISSION.
9:29:46AM SO WE HAVE A FIRM THAT WE HAVE CONTRACTED WITH, BLACK &
9:29:51AM VEATCH.
9:29:52AM THEY ARE AN INTERNATIONAL GLOBAL FIRM THAT DOES QUITE A BIT
9:29:55AM OF STORMWATER WORK.
9:29:56AM OUR MANDATE TO THEM IS GO LOOK AT EVERYTHING THAT OCCURRED.
9:30:02AM HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND TOWN HALLS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRETY

9:30:06AM OF HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, INCLUDING OUR PARTNERS.
9:30:09AM MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO DOCUMENT WHAT HAPPENED AND
9:30:12AM THEN REPORT BACK TO US AND TO OUR PARTNERS EXACTLY WHAT YOU
9:30:16AM FOUND.
9:30:17AM THERE ARE NO FEATHERS ON THE CONSULTING FIRM.
9:30:22AM THEY HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD HIDE THIS IF YOU FIND IT OR DON'T
9:30:25AM TALK ABOUT THIS.
9:30:26AM THEY HAVE A MANDATE TO GO IN, FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT
9:30:30AM HAPPENED, WHY IT HAPPENED AND THEN MAKE REPORTS.
9:30:33AM WE WILL HAVE FOLLOWING THAT SIX-MONTH EXERCISE, BECAUSE WE
9:30:36AM ANTICIPATE IT WILL TAKE THAT LONG TO GO THROUGH THIS
9:30:39AM PRELIMINARY PHASE, THERE WILL BE A FOLLOW-ON EFFORT THAT OUR
9:30:43AM PUBLIC WORKS TEAM WILL FOLLOW UP WITH NOT JUST YOU, BUT
9:30:48AM AGAIN, ALL OF OUR PARTNERS, TO COME UP WITH SPECIFIC CAPITAL
9:30:50AM PROJECTS AS NECESSARY TO HELP ALLEVIATE THIS POTENTIAL IN
9:30:55AM THE FUTURE.
9:30:56AM JUST BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, WE HAD ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO -- I
9:31:00AM BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT -- WE LOOKED AT PUTTING IN SOME
9:31:05AM PIPING TO AN AREA NEAR DUCK POND.
9:31:07AM THE COST AT THAT TIME WAS BETWEEN 400 AND 500 MILLION
9:31:11AM DOLLARS.
9:31:11AM I SUSPECT IT'S ALMOST DOUBLE THAT, IF NOT MORE.
9:31:14AM ONE OF THE POLICY QUESTIONS WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING OUR
9:31:17AM BOARD TO WRESTLE WITH AND I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO WRESTLE
9:31:21AM WITH, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO INVEST THAT MONEY FOR A PIPING

9:31:24AM SYSTEM THAT MAY OR MAY NOT PROVIDE SUBSTANTIAL RELIEF IF WE
9:31:28AM GET ANOTHER STORM THAT'S 250 TO 500 YEARS?
9:31:31AM OR DO WE START BUYING UP PROPERTY AND TURNING THOSE AREAS
9:31:37AM BACK INTO MORE OF A FLOODPLAIN?
9:31:40AM THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT POLICY QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO
9:31:43AM HAVE TO WRESTLE WITH.
9:31:44AM THEY ARE GOING TO AFFECT PEOPLE'S LIVES.
9:31:46AM THEY ARE GOING TO AFFECT WHERE THEY LIVE.
9:31:49AM AND THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE'RE ASKING ALL OF OUR CITIZENS TO
9:31:51AM MAKE.
9:31:52AM SO WITH THAT, AND I WILL TELL YOU IF THERE ARE ANY TECHNICAL
9:31:55AM QUESTIONS, I WILL ASK MY STAFF TO ADDRESS THOSE.
9:31:59AM I'LL TRY AND ANSWER AS MANY AS I CAN.
9:32:01AM I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH YOU.
9:32:03AM I'M DELIGHTED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ENGAGED IN THIS
9:32:07AM PROCESS.
9:32:08AM I KNOW IT'S GOING TO YIELD RESULTS AT THE END THAT WE CAN
9:32:10AM ALL HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE,
9:32:14AM WHAT ARE OUR NEXT STEPS AND HOW LONG IT'S GOING TO TAKE AND,
9:32:17AM FRANKLY, HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST?
9:32:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
9:32:21AM COUNCILMAN VIERA AND COUNCILMAN CARLSON.
9:32:22AM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:32:23AM THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
9:32:24AM I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

9:32:26AM I'LL BE RELATIVELY BRIEF BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE A PACKED
9:32:30AM ROOM AND AGENDA.
9:32:31AM I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
9:32:33AM AFTER MILTON STARTED TALKING ABOUT DOING A REVIEW OR
9:32:36AM INQUIRY, THIS IS WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
9:32:38AM THIS I THINK HITS IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST SUBSTANTIAL
9:32:42AM COMPLIANCE, PRETTY MUCH STRAIGHT COMPLIANCE I THINK WITH
9:32:45AM WHAT I WANTED AND I APPRECIATE THAT 110%.
9:32:48AM I THANK COUNCIL FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF MOVING FORWARD.
9:32:51AM THE COUNTY COMMISSION, OBVIOUSLY, COMMISSIONER HARRY COHEN
9:32:54AM HERE.
9:32:54AM IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WE ALL WORKED TOGETHER.
9:32:57AM IT'S GOOD TO SEE REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS WORKING TOGETHER
9:32:59AM ON THIS ISSUE BECAUSE THIS IS A NONPARTISAN ISSUE.
9:33:03AM AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE CAN DO AFTER
9:33:06AM MILTON FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS AS WELL AS PROVIDING THEM WITH
9:33:09AM DIGNITY AND RELIEF ET CETERA.
9:33:11AM I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
9:33:13AM YOU TALKED ABOUT I THINK THE THREE PILLARS OF THIS WHICH IS,
9:33:15AM NUMBER ONE, TALK ABOUT WHAT WE DID RIGHT.
9:33:18AM WE GOT TO HEAR THAT.
9:33:19AM NUMBER TWO, WHAT CHALLENGES WE MAY HAVE HAD DURING MILTON,
9:33:22AM WHAT IF ANYTHING WENT WRONG, REASONABLY PREVENTABLE,
9:33:25AM ET CETERA.
9:33:26AM I'M NOT AN ENGINEER.

9:33:27AM I DEFER TO THE EXPERTS, INCLUDING THE INDEPENDENT ENTITY
9:33:31AM YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
9:33:32AM THIRD, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IS MOST IMPORTANT AND MY
9:33:35AM CONSTITUENTS LIKE THE MOST, WHICH IS THAT MASTER PLAN IDEA,
9:33:38AM WHICH IS YOU'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR NEEDS.
9:33:41AM CITY OF TAMPA, PLANT CITY, TEMPLE TERRACE, THROUGHOUT THE
9:33:44AM COUNTY AND SEEING WHAT IS NECESSARY.
9:33:46AM THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE NEED THAT EXPERT OPINION
9:33:50AM IN LIGHT OF THE STORM, IN LIGHT OF THE TRAGEDY THAT HAPPENED
9:33:52AM IN NORTH TAMPA, IN SOUTH TAMPA, IN TOWN N' COUNTRY, AND EAST
9:33:55AM COUNTY, UNIVERSITY AREA, ET CETERA.
9:33:57AM WE NEED TO HAVE THAT PROFESSIONAL SPECIFICITY SO THAT WE CAN
9:34:01AM HAVE THAT ENGAGED, INFORMED CONVERSATION WITH OUR
9:34:04AM CONSTITUENTS ON WHAT WE NEED AND WHAT THEY ARE WILLING TO
9:34:07AM PAY FOR.
9:34:07AM THAT'S WHAT TODAY IS ABOUT.
9:34:08AM THIS IS A SMALL PART OF THE LARGER CONVERSATION I THINK THAT
9:34:11AM WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.
9:34:12AM YOU KNOW, MAKING THIS A COUNTYWIDE APPROACH IS FOR ME THE
9:34:16AM ONLY WAY.
9:34:17AM WATER DOES NOT STOP AT THE CITY'S EDGE.
9:34:19AM WE HAVE TOO MUCH CONNECTIVITY.
9:34:21AM THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS WITHIN FOWLER WHERE THERE ARE COUNTY
9:34:25AM PUMPS THAT COULD HAVE AN EFFECT ON CITY AREAS AND VICE
9:34:27AM VERSA.

9:34:28AM WE HAVE THE UNIVERSITY AREA.
9:34:29AM WE HAVE PARTS OF FOREST HILLS WHICH ARE PORTIONED OUT
9:34:32AM BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE CITY.
9:34:33AM IT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.
9:34:34AM AGAIN, THERE ARE SO MANY DIFFERENT AREAS.
9:34:37AM I WENT OUT WITH COMMISSIONER COHEN TO SEE OUR GOOD FRIENDS.
9:34:45AM TALK TO FRIENDS IN EAST COUNTY AREA.
9:34:47AM AT THE END OF COUNCIL, I'LL BE MAKING MOTIONS TO BETTER
9:34:50AM FORMALIZE THIS WITH OUR CITY.
9:34:53AM I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
9:34:54AM LAST, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT EXPECTATIONS.
9:34:56AM WHICH YOU TALKED ABOUT.
9:34:58AM NUMBER ONE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT INDEPENDENT REVIEW, IT'S
9:35:02AM NOT ABOUT POINTING FINGERS AT ANYBODY.
9:35:04AM IT'S ABOUT SAYING THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN ZONE X WHO
9:35:07AM WERE DEVASTATED.
9:35:08AM THAT'S WHAT TRANSPARENCY IS ALL ABOUT.
9:35:10AM WE HAVE HERE A LOT OF WONDERFUL FOLKS FROM COUNTY STAFF.
9:35:13AM MR. BHIDE WHO IS A REMARKABLE PUBLIC SERVANT.
9:35:17AM NOT ABOUT POINTING THE FINGERS.
9:35:18AM SAYING, LOOK, A TRAGEDY HAPPENED AND WE NEED TO HAVE
9:35:21AM TRANSPARENCY, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, HAPPENED.
9:35:23AM ALSO NEED TO HAVE EXPECTATIONS WITH REGARDS TO WHAT THE
9:35:26AM FUTURE NEEDS ARE GOING TO BE, HOW MUCH THEY ARE GOING TO
9:35:28AM COST AND THAT DIALOGUE WE'VE GOT TO HAVE WITH OUR

9:35:31AM CONSTITUENTS.
9:35:31AM AGAIN, IN CLOSING, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE
9:35:34AM CAN DO.
9:35:34AM NUMBER ONE, IT PROVIDES TRANSPARENCY, OPEN GOVERNMENT AFTER
9:35:39AM DEVASTATION, BUT, NUMBER TWO, IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT
9:35:43AM INFORMATION WE NEED FOR A ROAD MAP TO PREVENT THIS FROM
9:35:46AM HAPPENING SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT ENGAGED DISCUSSION WITH
9:35:49AM OUR CONSTITUENTS.
9:35:50AM I AGAIN WANTED TO THANK COMMISSIONER COHEN BECAUSE WE WORKED
9:35:54AM A LOT ON THIS ISSUE TOGETHER.
9:35:56AM HE'S ALWAYS A GENTLEMAN AND A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH.
9:35:58AM AGAIN, I'LL BE MAKING SOME MOTIONS AT THE END ON THIS.
9:36:01AM MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.
9:36:02AM THANK YOU, COUNCIL.
9:36:03AM AND THANK YOU, FOLKS.
9:36:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
9:36:05AM COUNCILMAN CARLSON AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:36:07AM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU TO HARRY FOR YOUR HELP AS WELL.
9:36:10AM HE PRECEDED ME IN SOUTH TAMPA, AND HE'S BEEN A GREAT
9:36:14AM RESOURCE OVER THE YEARS IN COORDINATING WITH THE COUNTY.
9:36:17AM APPRECIATE HIM AND THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS.
9:36:18AM JUST AFTER THE STORMS, CITY COUNCIL ASKED THE CITY STAFF TO
9:36:24AM COME BACK AND GIVE AN UPDATE ON THE STORMWATER PLAN,
9:36:28AM CITYWIDE STORMWATER PLAN.
9:36:29AM THAT'S COMING BACK AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR.

9:36:31AM I HOPE THAT THE CITY STAFF CAN WORK CLOSELY WITH YOU ALL TO
9:36:34AM LOOK AT THE INFORMATION AS IT GOES ALONG.
9:36:37AM IF FOR SOME REASON WE NEED TO MOVE IT BY A MONTH OR
9:36:40AM SOMETHING, WE CAN DO THAT.
9:36:41AM I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE AN INTEGRATED STORMWATER PLAN
9:36:44AM THAT WORKS WITH THE COUNTY, BUT ALSO LOOKS AT THE CITY
9:36:47AM HOLISTICALLY INSTEAD OF A PIECE AT A TIME.
9:36:50AM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE SEEN IN WHAT I WOULD CALL THE
9:36:54AM NON-SURGE FLOODING, AREAS, DAVIS ISLAND, WESTERN PART OF
9:36:59AM SOUTH TAMPA PENINSULA GOT INUNDATED WITH STORM SURGE.
9:37:03AM BUT THE AREAS THAT JUST FLOODED, MANY OF THEM HAD NEVER
9:37:06AM FLOODED BEFORE.
9:37:07AM IT APPEARS THAT A LARGE PART OF THAT WAS NOT JUST THE AMOUNT
9:37:10AM OF RAINFALL BUT ALSO LACK OF MAINTENANCE.
9:37:13AM AFTER THE BUCKHORN TAX WAS PASSED IN 2016, THERE WAS LIKE
9:37:17AM $2.5 MILLION OF MAINTENANCE, BUT WE CAN SEE IN CERTAIN AREAS
9:37:20AM THAT MAINTENANCE HASN'T BEEN DONE IN DECADES.
9:37:23AM IT LOOKS LIKE FINDING OLD EQUIPMENT FROM WORLD WAR II THAT
9:37:26AM HAS NEVER BEEN TOUCHED.
9:37:27AM I WONDER, I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS.
9:37:29AM ONE IS, WILL BLACK & VEATCH BE LOOKING AT THE MAINTENANCE
9:37:32AM RECORDS OF THE CITY?
9:37:33AM SOME OF THAT MAINTENANCE IS BEING DONE NOW.
9:37:36AM IF YOU WENT TO THOSE PLACES TODAY YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THEM
9:37:39AM ARE SOMEWHAT CLEARED OUT.

9:37:40AM ONE OF THEM, A CULVERT, SUPPOSED TO BE A CONDUIT FOR WATER,
9:37:43AM IS COMPLETELY INUNDATED WITH WATER.
9:37:47AM IT APPEARS IT IS CRACKED AND LEAKING, INUNDATED BY
9:37:51AM GROUNDWATER.
9:37:51AM WE KNOW THAT THOSE ISSUES CONTRIBUTED.
9:37:54AM WILL BLACK & VEATCH BE LOOKING AT THE CITY'S MAINTENANCE
9:37:57AM RECORDS AND COME BACK AND TELL US WHERE THERE WERE
9:37:59AM MAINTENANCE FAILURES AND RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO FIX THAT
9:38:02AM GOING FORWARD?
9:38:03AM >> LARGELY THAT WILL BE A QUESTION YOU ALL ANSWER BECAUSE
9:38:07AM WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM TO SIT DOWN WITH EACH ONE OF YOU AS
9:38:11AM WELL AS THE CITY ADMINISTRATION AND HELP MAP OUT WHAT YOUR
9:38:14AM AREAS OF CONCERN ARE.
9:38:16AM I'M SURE THEY WILL HAVE THAT IN THEIR ROSTER OF THINGS TO
9:38:18AM LOOK AT.
9:38:19AM >>BILL CARLSON: ALSO PLACES WHERE THERE ARE DRAINAGE DITCHES
9:38:21AM THAT AFTER THEY WERE BUILT -- OWN STORMWATER BUT THEN PEOPLE
9:38:26AM FILL IN THE DITCHES.
9:38:27AM DITCHES JUST FILLED IN OVER TIME.
9:38:29AM THERE ALSO WAS SIGNIFICANT DEBRIS THAT WAS NOT -- MAJORITY
9:38:32AM OF THE DEBRIS WAS NOT CLEANED UP BETWEEN THE FLOODING.
9:38:35AM THAT CAUSED ADDITIONAL FLOODING.
9:38:36AM WE HAVE RETENTION PONDS THAT APPEAR TO HAVE BEEN FULL OF
9:38:41AM SOMETHING AND THEY ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE DREDGED.
9:38:44AM WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THAT.

9:38:46AM THE POINT IS, THERE ARE THINGS THAT MIGHT COST A FEW MILLION
9:38:49AM DOLLARS THAT'S NOT BILLIONS THAT COULD BE IMMEDIATE
9:38:52AM SOLUTIONS.
9:38:53AM I THINK MOST PEOPLE AS THEY ARE GOING THROUGH WITH THEIR
9:38:55AM CONTRACTORS RIGHT NOW REBUILDING, PUTTING DRYWALL BACK ON
9:38:58AM AND TRYING TO DO MOLD MITIGATION, THEY DON'T WANT THIS TO
9:39:01AM HAPPEN AGAIN NEXT WEEK OR NEXT MONTH.
9:39:04AM ALTHOUGH LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS ARE FIND, WE NEED TO FIND
9:39:06AM SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS LIKE THAT.
9:39:08AM HOPE YOU GUYS WILL LOOK AT THAT.
9:39:10AM >> YES, SIR.
9:39:10AM >>BILL CARLSON: THE SECOND THING IS AS WE'RE PLANNING
9:39:14AM MULTIMILLION OR MULTIBILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS, WOULDN'T IT BE
9:39:18AM PRUDENT TO WAIT UNTIL THE BLACK & VEATCH STUDY IS DONE?
9:39:21AM >> YES.
9:39:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: -- SO WE HAVE THE NEW INFORMATION SO THAT WE
9:39:25AM CAN SEE, FOR EXAMPLE, IS THIS THE NEW FORM?
9:39:27AM IF THIS WAS A 500-YEAR EVENT, IS THIS THE NEW NORM THAT WE
9:39:32AM HAVE TO BUILD TO?
9:39:33AM IF WE HAVE ANY OLD PLANS ON THE TABLE, SHOULDN'T THEY BE
9:39:37AM UPDATED WITH THE FINDINGS OF THIS PLAN?
9:39:39AM >> YES, SIR, I AGREE THAT IS PRUDENT TO DO.
9:39:41AM THAT IS OUR INTENT AT THE COUNTY.
9:39:43AM OBVIOUSLY, OUR PARTNERS, WE WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD WAIT
9:39:45AM UNTIL THIS INITIAL EFFORT IS DONE WHERE WE HIGHLIGHT THE

9:39:48AM MAJOR AREAS OF FOCUS AND THEN WE'LL MOVE INTO THE CAPITAL
9:39:51AM PLANNING PORTION OF IT.
9:39:55AM >>BILL CARLSON: SHOULDN'T THE CAPITAL PLAN BE INTEGRATED --
9:39:58AM >> YES, SIR.
9:39:59AM >>BILL CARLSON: -- SO IT IS A CITYWIDE OR REGIONAL SYSTEM?
9:40:01AM >> I BELIEVE IT SHOULD.
9:40:02AM AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE CITY.
9:40:04AM WE HAVE GOOD RELATIONSHIPS WITH CITY STAFF.
9:40:07AM OBVIOUSLY, ANYTHING THAT THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY
9:40:10AM ADMINISTRATION WANT TO HAVE US LOOK AT COLLABORATIVELY,
9:40:12AM WE'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO DO THAT.
9:40:14AM >>BILL CARLSON: YEAH, AGAIN, THANK YOU -- THANK YOU TO THE
9:40:16AM COUNTY SO MUCH AND COMMISSIONER COHEN FOR ALL OF HIS HELP
9:40:19AM AND HIS COLLEAGUES FOR HELPING TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.
9:40:22AM THANK YOU.
9:40:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
9:40:23AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:40:24AM ON MY OTHER SIDE, WHAT MY TWO COLLEAGUES TALKED ABOUT,
9:40:27AM THERE'S GOT TO BE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO SOLVING THE
9:40:30AM PROBLEM.
9:40:30AM WE CAN'T JUST SAY IT HAPPENED.
9:40:31AM NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERY 200 YEARS, 300 YEARS.
9:40:35AM THE PROBLEM IS WE HAVE TO CHANGE OUR -- [INAUDIBLE] -- WHEN
9:40:38AM YOU LOOK AT THIRD-WORLD CITIES AND COUNTRIES AROUND THE
9:40:41AM WORLD, SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPEN, OUTSIDE DEVASTATED.

9:40:46AM NOTHING LEFT BUT THE CORE IS STILL THERE.
9:40:48AM WHY IS IT STILL THERE?
9:40:49AM THEY DON'T HAVE SECOND FLOORS WITH WOOD.
9:40:54AM ANGLED ROOFING, EAVE THAT STICKS OUT 28, 30 INCHES OUT WHERE
9:40:58AM THE WIND CAN PICK UP THE EAVE, COLLAPSE THE WALLS AND YOU
9:41:01AM ARE FLOODED FROM THE BOTTOM AND TOP AT THE SAME TIME.
9:41:04AM DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF LIVING.
9:41:06AM HOUSES BUILT SOLID OF CONCRETE, REBAR, INCH AND A HALF, TWO
9:41:12AM INCHES FROM THE GROUND, TWO, THREE FEET DOWN ALL THE WAY TO
9:41:15AM THE ROOF, THAT COMMUNICATES WITH ARMOR OF CONCRETE AND IRON.
9:41:20AM AND THE SECOND FLOOR, IF ANY, IS ALL CONCRETE AND IRON, ALL
9:41:25AM THE WAY DOWN TO THE FOUNDATION.
9:41:27AM WHAT DOES THAT DO?
9:41:28AM IT TAKES CARE OF THE WIND AND THE RAIN.
9:41:33AM INSIDE, LIKE THIS BUILDING HERE, THIS IS ALL DRYWALL.
9:41:36AM WHAT'S THAT?
9:41:37AM DRYWALL.
9:41:38AM WHAT'S THAT?
9:41:38AM DRYWALL.
9:41:39AM IF IT GETS HERE, WHAT DO YOU HAVE?
9:41:41AM A CATASTROPHE.
9:41:42AM BASICALLY TAKE IT ALL OUT.
9:41:44AM THEIRS IS ALL CONCRETE INSIDE.
9:41:47AM LOOKS JUST LIKE DRYWALL.
9:41:49AM IF IT GETS WET, LET IT DRY, YOU PAINT IT.

9:41:53AM A LOT OF SAVINGS TO DO ONE WAY.
9:41:55AM MAY BE MORE EXPENSIVE START DOING IT THE WAY SOMEBODY ELSE
9:41:59AM DOES IT.
9:42:00AM I'M SAYING YOU CAN'T JUST LIVE ON SOMETHING THAT MAY HAPPEN,
9:42:03AM MAY NOT HAPPEN, IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
9:42:05AM NO MATTER WHAT WE DEAL WITH TODAY, IF THE ENVIRONMENT IS NOT
9:42:08AM LOOKED AT AND NOT FOLLOWED THROUGH, NOT HELP WHAT WE HELP
9:42:12AM TURN WHAT IT IS TODAY, A CATASTROPHE, WE'RE ASKING FOR
9:42:16AM TROUBLE NOT ONLY HERE, BUT THE WHOLE WORLD.
9:42:20AM LOOK AT ALL THE STORMS.
9:42:21AM LOOK AT ALL THE FIRES EVERYWHERE, THAT'S NOT NORMAL.
9:42:25AM SEVEN STORMS OUT OF THE GULF, BEEN HERE A PRETTY LONG TIME
9:42:28AM ON THIS SIDE OF THE EARTH, I ONLY REMEMBER TWO COMING OUT OF
9:42:31AM THE GULF.
9:42:32AM WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT A NORMAL THING HAPPENING OR JUST A
9:42:35AM HAPPENING?
9:42:35AM IT'S GOT TO CHANGE.
9:42:38AM WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY WE DO THINGS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
9:42:42AM I LOVE TREES.
9:42:44AM HOW MANY TREES DAMAGED ROOFS THIS YEAR?
9:42:47AM WE OUGHT TO HAVE AREAS OF TREES WHERE YOU PLANT A LOT MORE
9:42:51AM TREES WITH SPACE BETWEEN SO THEY CAN GROW.
9:42:53AM YOU CAN'T HAVE A TREE RIGHT NEXT TO A DRIVEWAY THAT'S 30
9:42:56AM INCHES, 40 INCHES WIDE AND PART OF THE LIMB FALLS THROUGH
9:43:00AM THE ROOF.

9:43:00AM IT GREATS ANOTHER PROBLEM.
9:43:02AM I LIKE TO SEE THE TREES PLANTED BY THIS CITY AND OTHER
9:43:05AM CITIES AWAY FROM AREA, BUT MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
9:43:08AM LET ME STRONGLY SAY THAT AGAIN.
9:43:11AM MORE THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW BECAUSE THEY HELP OUT SO MUCH AT
9:43:16AM TIME WHEN THE RAINFALL IS EXACERBATED LIKE NEVER BEFORE.
9:43:20AM AND THAT TREE CAN HOLD A LOT OF WATER.
9:43:22AM SO ALL THOSE THINGS -- YOU DON'T HAVE A ONE-TERM SOLUTION.
9:43:25AM YOU HAVE TO HAVE A MULTIPHASE SOLUTION TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM
9:43:28AM TO THE HIGHEST DEGREE.
9:43:31AM TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'RE NOT DOING THAT.
9:43:33AM HAVEN'T TALKED ONE IOTA TO TALK ABOUT CHANGING THE BUILDING
9:43:38AM CODES.
9:43:38AM WE ARE THE LARGEST STATE, OTHER THAN CALIFORNIA, ALL AROUND
9:43:43AM THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WHAT DO YOU HAVE ON THE OUTSKIRTS?
9:43:46AM LAND AND WATER MEETING UP.
9:43:48AM ANYTIME YOU HAVE THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM SOONER
9:43:51AM OR LATER.
9:43:51AM IN THIS CASE, IT WAS SOONER THAN LATER.
9:43:54AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
9:43:55AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR
9:43:57AM PRESENTATION.
9:43:57AM THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.
9:43:59AM COUNCILMAN COHEN.
9:44:03AM >> THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THE KIND WORDS.

9:44:04AM I WAS ACTUALLY HERE FOR DAVE ROWLAND THIS MORNING.
9:44:07AM BUT REALLY AND TRULY, WE ARE HERE IN THE SPIRIT OF
9:44:10AM COLLABORATION.
9:44:11AM WE HAVE THE EXACT SAME PROBLEMS THAT YOU ALL HAVE BEEN
9:44:14AM FACING.
9:44:15AM I'VE BEEN TALKING TO ALL OF YOU THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE
9:44:19AM ORDEAL.
9:44:21AM EVERY ONE OF US IS DEALING WITH THE SAME THING IN DIFFERENT
9:44:23AM WAYS.
9:44:24AM AND ONE OF THE THINGS I CAN TELL YOU IS THIS IS GOING TO BE
9:44:26AM AN INDEPENDENT LOOK.
9:44:30AM THERE'S NOTHING OFF LIMITS.
9:44:32AM WE MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME TOUGH CHOICES BUT AT LEAST WE WILL
9:44:35AM MAKE THEM WITH KNOWLEDGE AND WITH THE FACTS AND WITH THE
9:44:38AM REAL ANALYSIS OF WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO BETTER PROTECT
9:44:41AM OUR COMMUNITY GOING FORWARD.
9:44:42AM THANK YOU.
9:44:43AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:44:45AM >>LUIS VIERA: 30 SECONDS, IF I MAY, FOR COUNCILMAN CARLSON
9:44:48AM AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA BROUGHT UP UNIQUE ISSUES TO AREAS AND
9:44:53AM ENGAGEMENT WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS.
9:44:54AM YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LOT OF BUILDING CODES, ET CETERA.
9:44:57AM EVERY PART IS SEPARATE AND UNIQUE.
9:44:59AM NORTH TAMPA LOT OF TALK ABOUT THE PUMPS.
9:45:02AM TOWN N' COUNTRY, STREET DISCUSSIONS ON THE REPAVING.

9:45:05AM AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW.
9:45:06AM SOUTH TAMPA, SEPARATE ISSUES.
9:45:09AM OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR TODAY.
9:45:11AM IT'S GOING TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE UNIQUE ISSUES ASSOCIATED
9:45:15AM WITH EACH AREA, THIS INQUIRY WILL.
9:45:20AM JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
9:45:22AM FROM THAT DIALOGUE WE CAN GIVE THAT INFORMATION AS THE
9:45:25AM REPRESENTATIVES AND WITH THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND ALL THAT
9:45:27AM STUFF.
9:45:28AM >> YES, SIR, THANK YOU.
9:45:30AM I SHOULD NOTE, THE COUNTY IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT OUR
9:45:32AM DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AS PART OF THIS REVIEW.
9:45:34AM I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE CITY.
9:45:36AM THAT'S, AGAIN, UP TO YOU.
9:45:37AM THIS CAN BE LARGELY GUIDED BY WHAT YOU AND THE
9:45:40AM ADMINISTRATION WANT TO LOOK AT.
9:45:42AM FINALLY, I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DO NOT THANK YOU FOR YOUR
9:45:45AM SUPPORT.
9:45:46AM THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX DID PASS.
9:45:49AM IT WILL PROVIDE FUNDING FOR SOME OF THE NEEDED IMPROVEMENTS
9:45:52AM RELATED TO STORMWATER.
9:45:53AM SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
9:45:55AM VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND INTEREST HERE TODAY.
9:45:58AM WE DEFINITELY WILL BE IN TOUCH.
9:45:59AM THANK YOU.

9:46:01AM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST A QUICK QUESTION.
9:46:02AM COUNCILMAN VIERA REMINDED ME OF SOMETHING.
9:46:05AM WE HAD WASTEWATER SYSTEM FAILURES, TOO, PARTLY RELATED TO
9:46:09AM NOT HAVING BACKUP GENERATORS OR LACK OF CAPACITY.
9:46:16AM ARE YOU ALL LOOKING AT WASTEWATER'S IMPACT AS WELL?
9:46:18AM >> YES, SIR. SHORT ANSWER, IS YES.
9:46:19AM IT IS A FULL, HOLISTIC LOOK AT ALL OF OUR SYSTEMS IN THE
9:46:22AM COUNTY THAT WERE IMPACTED BY THE FLOODING.
9:46:24AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:46:25AM >> THANK YOU ALL.
9:46:27AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE MY OWN
9:46:30AM RESPONSIBILITY.
9:46:30AM I DID NOT SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY INVESTMENT TAX.
9:46:34AM THE REASON FOR THAT IS GIVE AWAY $150 MILLION MORE THAN FOR
9:46:40AM FIRE, POLICE AND INFRASTRUCTURE.
9:46:42AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:46:43AM >> THANK YOU.
9:46:43AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:46:44AM BEFORE WE START WITH PUBLIC COMMENT, WE HAVE AT LEAST THREE
9:46:51AM HOURS OF PUBLIC COMMENT, PER MY CALCULATION.
9:46:54AM WE ALSO HAVE A NIGHT MEETING THAT STARTS AT 5:01 P.M. WITH I
9:46:58AM THINK 16 CASES, 17 CASES.
9:47:02AM JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW, MR. SHELBY, DID YOU WANT US TO
9:47:06AM WRAP UP BY 3:45?
9:47:07AM IS THAT THE GOAL?

9:47:10AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY SUGGESTION, COUNCIL, KNOWING YOU HAVE
9:47:13AM MORE THAN A FULL EVENING AGENDA TONIGHT, MY SUGGESTION TO
9:47:16AM COUNCIL WOULD BE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE CLOCK, PARTICULARLY
9:47:20AM AFTER LUNCH OR HOW LONG YOU TAKE FOR LUNCH.
9:47:23AM MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO WRAP UP AT 3:45 TO SEE WHAT YOU
9:47:27AM HAVE LEFT AND HAVE THOSE BE CONTINUED.
9:47:30AM DO NEW BUSINESS.
9:47:32AM BE OUT OF THE CHAMBERS BY 4:00.
9:47:34AM TAKE AN HOUR FOR LUNCH AND BE PREPARED TO COME BACK FOR THE
9:47:37AM START OF THE 5:00 MEETING WHEN YOU'LL HAVE A WHOLE GROUP OF
9:47:40AM OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN HERE TO HAVE THEIR CASES HEARD.
9:47:43AM REMINDER TO COUNCIL, IF I CAN ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS
9:47:48AM BEFORE PUBLIC COMMENT, JUST BE REMINDED THAT YOU DO HAVE
9:47:53AM THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK.
9:47:54AM DO NOT FEEL OBLIGATED TO TAKE THE FULL THREE MINUTES.
9:47:57AM [ LAUGHTER ]
9:47:57AM IF YOU SEE THAT YOU'RE DONE BEFORE AND THE LIGHT IS STILL
9:48:04AM WHATEVER COLOR IT IS, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT RED, PLEASE PASS
9:48:08AM IT ALONG TO THE NEXT PERSON SO WE CAN MOVE THIS ALONG.
9:48:11AM IF EVERYBODY SAYS WHAT THEY SAY SUCCINCTLY, DOES NOT
9:48:14AM NECESSARILY USE THAT TIME, WE CAN ULTIMATELY GET TO THIS
9:48:18AM ITEM SOMETIME TODAY THAT MUCH QUICKER.
9:48:21AM PLEASE DO SO.
9:48:22AM ONE LAST THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP AT THIS TIME,
9:48:25AM BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT A CONCERN WAS

9:48:28AM RAISED THAT SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO HAS COMMUNICATED
9:48:32AM WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE SUBJECTS OF ITEMS 58 AND 59 WAS
9:48:36AM CONTRACTED BY HART TO PERFORM SERVICES ON HART'S BEHALF
9:48:40AM WHICH WERE UNRELATED TO THE MATTERS BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
9:48:43AM SO WITH REGARD TO THOSE ITEMS, I HAVE DETERMINED THAT NO
9:48:48AM PROHIBITED CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR VOTING CONFLICTS EXIST
9:48:52AM THAT WOULD PREVENT CITY COUNCIL AND ITS MEMBERS FROM VOTING
9:48:55AM ON THIS ISSUE.
9:48:56AM I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION AND ADDRESS
9:48:59AM THAT ISSUE WAS RAISED AND I FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT THERE IS
9:49:04AM NO PROHIBITED CONFLICT UNDER FLORIDA STATUTES NOR A VOTING
9:49:08AM CONFLICT.
9:49:08AM THANK YOU.
9:49:09AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:49:09AM WE HAVE ONE REGISTERED SPEAKER.
9:49:11AM MR. MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
9:49:13AM THEN WE'LL GO TO EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM.
9:49:15AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:49:15AM YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
9:49:19AM >> GOOD MORNING.
9:49:19AM MY NAME IS MICHAEL RANDOLPH.
9:49:22AM I'M WITH THE WEST TAMPA CDC.
9:49:27AM I ATTENDED THE LAST WEST TAMPA CAC MEETING IN WHICH WE STOOD
9:49:36AM WITH THE WEST TAMPA RIVERFRONT EXTENSION.
9:49:39AM THE CAC ALSO VOTED FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM.

9:49:44AM WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR ROLE TO WORK WITH THE ENTITIES TO
9:49:49AM CONNECT LOCAL BUSINESSES AS WELL AS JOBS TO THE COMMUNITY.
9:49:54AM TWO UPCOMING MEETINGS.
9:49:56AM ON THE 28th OF DECEMBER, WE'RE HAVING A MEETING CALLED
9:50:01AM HEALTH IS WEALTH.
9:50:02AM AS YOU KNOW IN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY THERE ARE ALL
9:50:06AM KINDS OF HEALTH ISSUES THAT COULD BE PREVENTED.
9:50:10AM WE'RE GOING TO USE COMMUNITY -- TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUE.
9:50:15AM THIS ISSUE IS RELATED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE THE
9:50:20AM UNHEALTHY COMMUNITY LEADS TO A COMMUNITY WHERE THERE ARE
9:50:25AM ISSUES -- THE NEXT MEETING ON THE 18th IS GOING TO BE
9:50:30AM TITLED REDUCING CRIME, USING AN ECONOMIC APPROACH WHICH
9:50:34AM WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON GOALS AND THOSE WITH CRIMINAL
9:50:39AM RECORDS TO HELP THEM TO GET BACK INTO THE JOB MARKET.
9:50:42AM AS YOU KNOW, THE NEW YEAR IS GOING TO BRING A NEW OFFICE FOR
9:50:47AM THE WEST TAMPA CDC AND WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.
9:50:51AM IN THAT, WE'RE GOING TO BE TRAINING RESIDENTS AS WE LAUNCH A
9:51:00AM GRANT MARATHON NEXT YEAR TO INCREASE FUNDING TO THE WEST
9:51:04AM TAMPA CDC WHILE AT THE SAME TIME PROVIDING RESIDENTS WITH
9:51:10AM SKILLS NECESSARY SO THEY CAN ALSO GET A BENEFIT.
9:51:16AM GRANT WRITERS ANYWHERE FROM 20 TO UP TO $200 AN HOUR.
9:51:22AM WE'RE REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEW YEAR.
9:51:24AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:51:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. RANDOLPH.
9:51:27AM ENJOY YOUR DAY.

9:51:28AM ALL RIGHT.
9:51:29AM WE'LL GO INTO THE IN-PERSON PUBLIC COMMENT.
9:51:31AM THE FIRST THREE SPEAKERS ARE ASHLEY MORAN, KELSEY UNSWORTH
9:51:37AM AND AMY BRAWN.
9:51:44AM >> HI.
9:51:45AM ASHLEY MORAN.
9:51:46AM I'VE LIVED IN PARKLAND ESTATES FOR 25 YEARS.
9:51:49AM AS YOU KNOW, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS FLOODED MANY TIMES SINCE
9:51:53AM 2015.
9:51:53AM DURING WHICH TIME THE CITY HAS BEEN STUDYING THE ISSUES.
9:51:58AM ON THE NIGHT OF THE HURRICANE, I WAS TRAPPED IN MY FLOODED
9:52:01AM HOME FOR NINE HOURS WITH MY ELDERLY EVACUATED IN-LAWS FROM
9:52:06AM DAVIS ISLAND, MY SON, MY DOGS AND A VERY ANGRY CAT WHILE MY
9:52:11AM HUSBAND WHO WORKS FOR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WORKED AT THE
9:52:13AM EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.
9:52:15AM WE WERE UNABLE TO GET OUT OF OUR HOME UNTIL 6:30 THE NEXT
9:52:20AM MORNING WHEN THE WATER FINALLY BEGAN TO RECEDE AND WE COULD
9:52:24AM AT LEAST OPEN THE DOORS.
9:52:26AM IT WAS A VERY TRAUMATIC NIGHT AND SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED
9:52:28AM BECAUSE THERE IS A SOLUTION AVAILABLE.
9:52:29AM WE ARE UNABLE TO LIVE IN OUR HOME AND THE FINANCIAL IMPACT
9:52:33AM ON US AND OUR NEIGHBORS HAS BEEN UNBELIEVABLE.
9:52:36AM IT'S SAD TO ME THAT WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR THE FLOOD RELIEF
9:52:40AM PROGRAM.
9:52:41AM IT'S TIME TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A SOLUTION THAT HAS BEEN

9:52:44AM GIVEN BY THE EXPERTS INSTEAD OF STUDYING IT FOR MANY MORE
9:52:48AM YEARS.
9:52:48AM THANK YOU.
9:52:48AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
9:52:49AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:52:50AM KELSEY UNSWORTH, AMY BRAWN AND HARRY COLEMAN.
9:52:54AM GOOD MORNING.
9:53:04AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:53:05AM >> HI.
9:53:05AM KELSEY UNSWORTH.
9:53:06AM MY HOME IN PARKLAND ESTATES IS ON THE ROUTE PROPOSED FOR THE
9:53:11AM PROJECT AND I SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
9:53:12AM NOT ALL BUSINESSES FLOODED ARE ABLE TO HIRE LOBBYISTS TO
9:53:16AM ADVOCATE FOR INTERESTS.
9:53:17AM NOT ALL ABLE TO COORDINATE A MEDIA BLITZ ACROSS NEWSPAPERS
9:53:20AM AND TV.
9:53:21AM SWANN IS A FAMILY RUN BUSINESS AND THEY FLOODED IN MILTON
9:53:26AM AND ALMOST HAD TO SHUT DOWN PERMANENTLY.
9:53:28AM WE NEED TO STOP THE FLOODING TO SAVE THE BUSINESSES.
9:53:30AM IT'S BEEN LONG ENOUGH.
9:53:31AM THIS NEEDS TO START TODAY.
9:53:33AM THE OWNERS OF DRIVEN CANNOT BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE
9:53:37AM TO GO TO WORK TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN.
9:53:39AM BUT MADE A VIDEO THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PLAY.
9:53:43AM >> WE HAVE SPENT TIME REMEDIATING AND REMODELING OUR

9:53:47AM FACILITY DUE TO FLOODWATERS FROM HURRICANE MILTON.
9:53:49AM THE HURRICANE WATERS -- ABOUT 14 INCHES.
9:53:54AM THIS IS DUE TO ANTIQUATED FLOOD SYSTEM IN SOUTH TAMPA.
9:53:57AM >> NOT ONLY IS IT AFFECTING US AS A BUSINESS, BUT THE ENTIRE
9:54:01AM COMMUNITY.
9:54:01AM A LOT OF OUR CLIENTS, THEY WALK RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET TO
9:54:05AM COME SEE US EVERY DAY.
9:54:06AM IT'S NOT ONLY HURT US, BUT HURT THEIR HOMES AS WELL.
9:54:10AM >> WE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE FLOODWATER INITIATIVE HERE IN
9:54:13AM SOUTH TAMPA BY WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY.
9:54:15AM THIS INITIATIVE SHOULD BE FAST TRACKED TO COMPLETION.
9:54:19AM THIS IS ONLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS MORE OFTEN.
9:54:23AM IF WE DO NOT UPGRADE THE FLOODWATER SYSTEM, THEN SMALL
9:54:27AM BUSINESSES WILL LEAVE THIS COMMUNITY, FURTHER IMPACTING THE
9:54:30AM GREAT COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE BUILT HERE.
9:54:35AM >> THANK YOU.
9:54:39AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: AMY BRAWN, COLEMAN, SHAUN ROUTTEN.
9:54:44AM GOOD MORNING, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:54:46AM >> HI.
9:54:46AM GOOD MORNING.
9:54:47AM THIS IS AMY BROWN.
9:54:49AM I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
9:54:52AM I SPOKE AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT HOW IT'S NOT JUST FOLKS
9:54:55AM FLOODED THAT ARE SUPPORTING THIS.
9:54:57AM I'M BACK TODAY TO CONTINUE MY SUPPORT AND REALLY TAKE A STEP

9:55:02AM BACK AND DO THIS FROM THE APPROACH OF REALLY THINKING ABOUT
9:55:05AM THE FUTURE GENERATIONS.
9:55:06AM THIS PROJECT IS ALSO A LOT LESS COSTLY THAN WHAT HARRY FROM
9:55:10AM THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OFFICE HAS MENTIONED.
9:55:13AM WOULD REALLY LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CONSIDER THIS AND TRY
9:55:15AM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.
9:55:18AM I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF SHORT-TERM PAIN,
9:55:20AM ESPECIALLY FOR THE BUSINESSES ON HOWARD.
9:55:21AM THE PROXIMITY TO THESE BUSINESSES IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY
9:55:24AM WE MOVED HERE.
9:55:25AM WE FREQUENT THE EPICUREAN FOR BRUNCH, BERNS FOR DINNER.
9:55:30AM A TIP, IF YOU GO OUT FOR DINNER SOMEWHERE ELSE, YOU CAN
9:55:33AM ALWAYS DO A RESERVATION AT THE DESSERT ROOM TO FINISH YOUR
9:55:37AM NIGHT AND WE OFTEN DO THAT.
9:55:38AM WE GO TO THE GREEN LEMON, DAILY EATS, YOU NAME IT.
9:55:42AM WE GO THERE OFTEN.
9:55:43AM BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BUSINESSES, WE CANNOT IGNORE THE
9:55:46AM AGGREGATE BUSINESSES, THAT INCLUDES THE DOZENS THAT HAVE
9:55:49AM LOST EVERYTHING ON SWANN, THAT WILL NOT HAVE CERTAINTY THIS
9:55:53AM WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN OVER AND OVER.
9:55:55AM I'M NOT SUPPORTING THIS BILL JUST TO SAVE A FEW HOUSES IN
9:55:58AM PARKLAND ESTATES.
9:55:59AM I'M DOING THIS TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE OVERALL
9:56:02AM NEIGHBORHOOD AT LARGE, AS A WHOLE FOR DECADES TO COME.
9:56:06AM THANK YOU.

9:56:07AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
9:56:07AM HARRY COLEMAN, SHAUN ROUTTEN, WILL COLEMAN.
9:56:13AM GOOD MORNING, SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
9:56:25AM >> HARRY COLEMAN.
9:56:27AM PARKLAND ESTATES.
9:56:35AM I SUPPORT THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT AS
9:56:38AM CONCEIVED.
9:56:38AM I IMPLORE YOU TO VOTE TO APPROVE IT TODAY.
9:56:41AM THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TODAY.
9:56:44AM I SPOKE TO A LOT OF NEIGHBORS, INCLUDING BUSINESS OWNERS
9:56:46AM OVER THE LAST FEW WEEKS AS MY FAMILY TRIES TO REBUILD OUR
9:56:50AM LIVES AND OUR HOME.
9:56:51AM MY STORY IS NOT UNCOMMON.
9:56:53AM OVER A HUNDRED HOMES FLOODED AND HALF AS MANY BUSINESSES
9:56:57AM FLOODED.
9:56:57AM AND NOT JUST DURING MILTON, BUT ALL SUMMER LONG.
9:57:00AM WE CAME TOGETHER.
9:57:02AM THOSE FLOODED NEIGHBORS HELPED OTHER FLOODED NEIGHBORS.
9:57:05AM WE FOUND RESOURCES.
9:57:06AM WE REACHED OUT TO YOU.
9:57:07AM THANK YOU GUYS SO, SO MUCH.
9:57:09AM BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.
9:57:12AM WHEN AMERICA FALLS DOWN, AMERICANS HELP EACH OTHER BACK UP.
9:57:17AM THE WEEKEND BEFORE HALLOWEEN, THE ONE THAT I DID NOT GET TO
9:57:20AM SPEND WITH MY FAMILY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I CLEANED THE CITY.

9:57:26AM EVEN THOUGH CRANE TRUCKS PICKED UP THE MAJORITY OF MY
9:57:29AM HOUSEHOLD ITEMS, THERE WERE STILL BROKEN BITS OF GLASS,
9:57:32AM FURNITURE, TOYS, AND NAILS.
9:57:34AM AND I DIDN'T WANT MY KIDS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD TO SUFFER ON
9:57:38AM HALLOWEEN WHEN THEY WANTED TO TRICK OR TREAT.
9:57:40AM I DO THAT BECAUSE I LOVE MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND BECAUSE EVEN
9:57:45AM THOUGH I WOULDN'T BENEFIT FOR IT, MY NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD.
9:57:48AM I'VE HEARD A LOT OF RESIDENTS COME IN HERE AND FOCUS ON WHAT
9:57:52AM THEY POTENTIALLY STAND TO LOSE DURING THE PROJECT, WHETHER
9:57:58AM DISRUPTED STREETS, BUSINESS NUANCES OR POTENTIAL PROPERTY
9:58:01AM IMPACTS AND SECOND GUESS THE ENGINEERS, TALK ABOUT LESS
9:58:04AM EFFECTIVE ROUTES OR LESS EFFECTIVE PROCEDURES AND THEY
9:58:08AM DEFINITELY WANT TO PUSH FOR ROUTES THAT DON'T AFFECT THEIR
9:58:11AM PROPERTY.
9:58:11AM BUT THAT'S NOT ME.
9:58:12AM I DON'T CARE WHICH ROUTE IS CHOSEN.
9:58:14AM THEY WANT TO USE PARKLAND AND LAKEVIEW, THE INTERSECTION
9:58:17AM RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY HOME, THEY CAN FOR THE ROUTE.
9:58:19AM ANYONE WHO IS DISRUPTED FROM THEIR BUSINESS WHO WANTS TO
9:58:22AM PARK ON MY RIGHT-OF-WAY, PLEASE HAVE AT IT.
9:58:25AM IF YOU WANT TO RUN YOUR DELIVERY TRUCKS DOWN MY STREET WHILE
9:58:29AM I TRIM THE TREES UP TO 17 FEET, GO RIGHT AHEAD BECAUSE
9:58:32AM THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO.
9:58:34AM ANY TEMPORARY INCONVENIENCE IF IT MEANS PROTECTING OUR
9:58:37AM HOUSES AND OUR BUSINESSES FOR A LIFETIME IS WORTH IT.

9:58:40AM THIS WILL ACTUALLY DRIVE UP THE PROPERTY VALUES.
9:58:44AM SOUTH TAMPA IS AN ECONOMIC ENGINE, AND THEY BOTH RELY ON
9:58:49AM EACH OTHER.
9:58:50AM THE BUSINESSES AND THE COMMUNITIES.
9:58:51AM PEOPLE COME DOWN TO SOUTH HOWARD RESTAURANTS.
9:58:53AM THEY HAVE A GREAT TIME AND THEN THEY WANT TO LIVE IN THAT
9:58:55AM NEIGHBORHOOD.
9:58:56AM THAT'S WHAT WE DID.
9:58:57AM NOW WE GO TO THOSE RESTAURANTS ALL THE TIME AND WE GO ACROSS
9:59:00AM THE STREET TO PALMA CEIA PINES AS WELL.
9:59:02AM MY WIFE WORKS AT HCA.
9:59:05AM SO, PLEASE, WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER.
9:59:09AM I SUPPORT THE PLAN.
9:59:10AM I'M HERE TO HELP.
9:59:11AM PLEASE HELP ME HELP VOTE TO APPROVE THE PLAN TODAY.
9:59:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
9:59:18AM SHAWN IS THE NEXT SPEAKER.
9:59:20AM SHAWN, WILL COLEMAN, DAVID ADAMS.
9:59:26AM >> SHAUN ROUTTEN, GENERAL MANAGER OF THE EPICUREAN HOTEL.
9:59:29AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY, CITY COUNCIL.
9:59:30AM I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF OPENING THE EPICUREAN AND WORKING
9:59:33AM THERE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS AND BEING A PART OF HOWARD'S
9:59:38AM CHARMING TOURIST DESTINATION.
9:59:40AM I'M ASKING TODAY WITH DIRE URGENCY TO PLEASE PUT A PAUSE ON
9:59:44AM THIS PLAN FOR 90 DAYS TO FIND A FURTHER SOLUTION THAT WILL

9:59:49AM ALLOW MITIGATION FOR PARKLAND ESTATES AS WELL AS LOOK AT AN
9:59:53AM ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION THAT DOES NOT TURN HOWARD AVENUE AND
9:59:57AM OUR BUSINESSES INTO A WAR ZONE.
9:59:59AM I FEEL GREATLY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF PARKLAND ESTATES.
10:00:04AM WE'RE ACTUALLY ZONED Z AT THE EPICUREAN HOTEL.
10:00:08AM OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS WE HAVE ACTUALLY BECOME A SAFE HAVEN
10:00:12AM FOR PEOPLE AT FLOOD RISK.
10:00:14AM STAY WITH US, WE FEED THEM.
10:00:15AM HEAR THEIR STORIES, CALM THEM DOWN, MEET THEIR KIDS UNTIL
10:00:19AM THE LEAVE THE NEXT DAY AND SOME HAVE TO EXTEND BECAUSE THEIR
10:00:22AM HOUSES HAVE BEEN DAMAGED.
10:00:23AM I INTERNALIZE WITH IT.
10:00:25AM OUR TEAM ALSO LEAVES THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR HOMES NOT
10:00:29AM KNOWING WHAT THEY GO HOME TO.
10:00:31AM MANY OF THEM WENT HOME JUST LIKE THE PARKLAND PEOPLE TO
10:00:34AM REALIZE THEY HAD BEEN AFFECTED AS WELL.
10:00:36AM I LIVE ON NORTH OREGON AVENUE RIGHT PERPENDICULAR FROM CASS
10:00:42AM WHERE THIS PROJECT WAS JUST DONE TWO YEARS AGO USING 10-FOOT
10:00:45AM CULVERTS, 8-FOOT CULVERTS, AND 7-FOOT CULVERTS.
10:00:48AM JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS IN PARKLAND, MY STREET FLOODS ALL THE
10:00:51AM WAY UP INTO MY YARD.
10:00:52AM I HAVE TO CLOSE MY BLINDS WHEN IT RAINS BECAUSE MY
10:00:55AM THREE-YEAR-OLD IS TERRIFIED.
10:00:57AM MY FIVE-YEAR-OLD THINKS IT'S AWESOME AND GOES UPSTAIRS TO
10:01:01AM WATCH IT.

10:01:02AM I UNDERSTAND THAT.
10:01:03AM I ALSO WANT EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR TEAM AT
10:01:06AM EPICUREAN, WE'RE FAMILY TO US.
10:01:10AM THEY HAVE FAMILIES TOO.
10:01:12AM WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE.
10:01:15AM THE HARDEST DAY OF MY CAREER WAS SITTING DOWN WITH MY
10:01:20AM EMPLOYEES DURING COVID AND SAY I CAN NO LONGER EMPLOY YOU.
10:01:24AM I WILL NEVER FORGET THAT DAY.
10:01:26AM I ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE'S HOMES WERE AFFECTED AND
10:01:29AM FLOODED.
10:01:30AM THEY WILL NEVER FORGET THAT DAY EITHER.
10:01:32AM SINCE THERE WAS NEVER A FINANCIAL IMPACT STUDY DONE ON THIS
10:01:35AM PROJECT, LET ME PUT IN PERSPECTIVE A FEW KEY ELEMENTS WITH
10:01:38AM US AS A HOTEL.
10:01:39AM I HAVE A CONTRACT RIGHT NOW, ONE CONTRACT.
10:01:42AM $2.2 MILLION A YEAR.
10:01:44AM THIS BLEEDS INTO THREE YEARS, IT IS AN AIRLINE CONTRACT
10:01:47AM $6.6 MILLION LOSS.
10:01:49AM THEY HAVE TO HAVE PROPER SLEEP DURING REGULATION FOR SAFETY
10:01:52AM TO FLY.
10:01:53AM SOME OF THEM COME AT ODD HOURS DURING THE DAY AND THEY HAVE
10:01:56AM TO SLEEP DURING THE DAY.
10:01:58AM I HAVE A NUMBER OF LOYALISTS AND CLIENTS WHO HAVE COME TO US
10:02:01AM FOR YEARS.
10:02:02AM THEY ARE NO LONGER GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME, MANY ARE

10:02:06AM PROFESSIONAL NHL TEAMS.
10:02:08AM I'M NOT HERE TO MAKE IT ABOUT SPECIFIC GROUPS.
10:02:10AM WE HAVE TO SIGN A CONTRACT WITH ALL OF OUR CLIENTS SAYING
10:02:13AM THAT WE ARE FREE OF DISRUPTION AS WELL AS CONSTRUCTION.
10:02:17AM LASTLY IS THE LOYALISTS.
10:02:19AM WE APPRECIATE THE LOYALISTS WHO COME IN THE PARKLAND
10:02:21AM ESTATES, BUT THE SOLUTION IS AND I'LL ASK EVERYONE IN THIS
10:02:24AM ROOM TO HAVE A PARKING LOT WHERE MY FAMILY PARKS AND THEY
10:02:28AM DRIVE IN A GOLF CART DOWN A DIRT ROAD TO GET TO A PLACE, ARE
10:02:32AM THEY GOING TO DO IT?
10:02:32AM NO.
10:02:33AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:02:34AM NEXT WE HAVE WILL COLEMAN, DAVID ADAMS, AND CJ CORNEIL.
10:02:47AM >> MY NAME IS WILL COLEMAN.
10:02:49AM 11 YEARS OLD, RESIDENT OF PARKLAND ESTATES AND STUDENT OF
10:02:52AM WILSON MIDDLE SCHOOL.
10:02:53AM I SUPPORT THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF PROJECT AND HOPE YOU
10:02:56AM APPROVE IT TODAY. MY HOME WAS DESTROYED BY THE FLOODING AND
10:03:00AM MY LIFE HAS BEEN DISRUPTED.
10:03:02AM I DID NOT TRICK OR TREAT IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE OF
10:03:05AM THE FLOODING.
10:03:06AM MY SISTER AND I WILL NOT GET TO SPEND THANKSGIVING IN OUR
10:03:09AM OWN HOUSE NEXT WEEK.
10:03:11AM I WILL NOT GET TO WAKE UP ON CHRISTMAS MORNING AND OPEN
10:03:14AM PRESENTS IN MY OWN HOME AND WILL NOT GET TO SPEND NEW YEAR'S

10:03:17AM DAY THERE EITHER.
10:03:18AM EVERYTHING HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM MY FAMILY EVEN THOUGH WE DID
10:03:21AM NOTHING WRONG.
10:03:22AM MY HOME FLOODED AND NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT.
10:03:27AM DO NOT GET TO CELEBRATE THE HOLIDAYS AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW
10:03:30AM THAT.
10:03:30AM ONE THING YOU CAN DO IT GIVE US HOPE.
10:03:33AM APPROVE THE PLAN SO WE CAN REBUILD WITH HOPE.
10:03:36AM THANK YOU.
10:03:36AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:03:37AM NEXT IS DAVID ADAMS, CJ CORNEIL AND RUMELA DOSS.
10:03:44AM >> MY NAME IS DAVID ADAMS.
10:03:45AM I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES AND LIVED THERE APPROXIMATELY 30
10:03:50AM PLUS YEARS.
10:03:51AM EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS, BUT FLOODING IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IS A
10:03:54AM SERIOUS PROBLEM.
10:03:55AM ACCORDING TO THE PROGRAM LAST MONDAY NIGHT, 150 TO 250 HOMES
10:03:59AM AND BUSINESSES WERE FLOODED DURING HURRICANE MILTON.
10:04:02AM THE AREA HAS FLOODED TEN TIMES DURING NORMAL SUMMER
10:04:06AM RAINSTORMS BEFORE HURRICANE MILTON.
10:04:09AM LIKE TO SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES OF THE NON-HURRICANE
10:04:12AM FLOODING.
10:04:14AM THIS IS MY HOUSE ON SEPTEMBER 3.
10:04:18AM YOU CAN SEE IT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY WATER.
10:04:21AM IT IS SANDBAGGED UP AT THE GARAGE DOOR.

10:04:23AM WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SANDBAG OUR HOUSES DURING NORMAL
10:04:28AM RAINSTORM EVENTS.
10:04:29AM THIS IS HOW I GET TO MY HOUSE ON THESE DAYS.
10:04:33AM YOU CAN SEE THE WATER COMES UP TO MY WAIST.
10:04:38AM THIS IS HOW CARS NAVIGATE THROUGH THIS WATER, MANY OF WHICH
10:04:42AM ARE RUINED.
10:04:44AM I'VE PERSONALLY PUSHED AT LEAST TEN CARS OUT OF THE
10:04:47AM INTERSECTIONS AND WITNESSED AT LEAST A HUNDRED VEHICLES OVER
10:04:49AM THE LAST FEW MONTHS.
10:04:52AM LASTLY, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS TO PARKED CARS AND CARS THAT
10:04:55AM CAN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE WATER.
10:04:57AM THAT'S AN AUDI.
10:04:58AM PROBABLY 50, 60 THOUSAND DOLLARS.
10:05:01AM WE DID FOR BE SAFE IN OUR HOMES.
10:05:04AM WHEN A GUNSHOT IS FIRED ON SOUTH HOWARD, POLICE ARE THERE IN
10:05:08AM TWO MINUTES.
10:05:08AM WHEN YOUR HOUSE CATCHES ON FIRE, FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOWS UP IN
10:05:11AM FIVE MINUTES.
10:05:12AM WHEN WE HAVE STRUCTURAL FLOODING, IT TAKES NINE YEARS TO
10:05:16AM COME UP WITH A SOLUTION.
10:05:18AM TODAY YOU ARE BEING ASKED TO DESIGN A PROJECT.
10:05:20AM LET ME SAY THAT AGAIN, DESIGN A PROJECT.
10:05:24AM YOU ARE NOT AUTHORIZING CONSTRUCTION.
10:05:26AM THE CITY HAS BUDGETED $300,000 FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
10:05:31AM EVERY VOICE WILL BE HEARD, MANY TODAY.

10:05:34AM THE FINAL ROUTE PRESENTED AT CONSTRUCTION.
10:05:37AM VOTING NO ON A DESIGN IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.
10:05:40AM YOU WILL HEAR OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT THIS MORNING.
10:05:43AM THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT THE SKY IS FALLING.
10:05:46AM BUSINESSES WILL FAIL.
10:05:47AM EMPLOYEES WILL BE FIRED.
10:05:48AM THEY'LL LOSE THEIR JOBS.
10:05:49AM BUT NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE TRUE BECAUSE YOU ARE ONLY
10:05:54AM AUTHORIZING DESIGN OF A PROJECT, DESIGNING OF A PROJECT
10:05:58AM WON'T HURT ANYONE.
10:05:59AM THIS FLOODING IS A VERY, VERY, VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM.
10:06:04AM YOU NEED TO MOVE 50 MILLION GALLONS OF WATER FROM THIS
10:06:09AM 200-ACRE BASIN.
10:06:11AM YOU CAN'T IMAGINE THE EMOTIONAL AND FINANCIAL TURMOIL THAT
10:06:16AM WE FELT FROM OUR HOUSES BEING FLOODED.
10:06:19AM I HAD 33 INCHES OF WATER, 12 INSIDE.
10:06:23AM SO I'M ASKING YOU, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE VOTE YES FOR THE
10:06:28AM DESIGN OF THIS PROCESS.
10:06:29AM THANK YOU.
10:06:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:06:32AM CJ CORNEIL.
10:06:34AM GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
10:06:37AM FOLLOWED BY RUMELA DOSSS AND FRANK RUSSO.
10:06:42AM >> I'M JOANIE CORNEIL.
10:06:44AM THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

10:06:46AM FIRST OF ALL, I AGREE THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
10:06:50AM HOWEVER, THIS PROPOSAL OF WIDENING THE STREETS, PUTTING IN
10:07:00AM UNDERGROUND TECO LINES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, THAT HAS BEEN
10:07:04AM DESIGNED IS NOT GOING TO WORK AND NOT ALLEVIATE ALL THE
10:07:09AM PROBLEMS.
10:07:11AM ONE OF THE OPTIONS IS THE LEAD ENGINEER RESPONDED MONDAY
10:07:17AM NIGHT THAT THERE ARE MEDIANS ON HOWARD AVENUE THAT COULD BE
10:07:21AM TAKEN OUT TO ALLOW ALL THIS WORK.
10:07:24AM AND ANYONE WHO HAS DRIVEN OR WALKED DOWN HOWARD AVENUE KNOWS
10:07:28AM THAT THE ONLY PLACE THAT THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A MEDIAN IS IN
10:07:33AM FRONT OF THE EPICUREAN HOTEL.
10:07:35AM THE ISSUE AND MANY THINGS THAT THEY HAVE OUTLINED IS NOT
10:07:44AM TRUE.
10:07:45AM THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS TO THIS PROJECT BESIDES HOWARD
10:07:50AM AVENUE.
10:07:51AM I OWN A BUSINESS ON HOWARD AND HAVE FOR 38 YEARS.
10:07:55AM THIS WILL KNOCK ME OUT OF BUSINESS.
10:08:01AM WE HAVE SO MANY DELIVERIES EVERY DAY.
10:08:08AM I PUT ONE OF THEM RIGHT HERE.
10:08:10AM THIS IS A SEMI TRAILER WHICH YOU'VE ALL SEEN.
10:08:15AM AND ANY OF THESE TYPES OF OPTIONS LIKE GOING DOWN SIDE
10:08:18AM STREETS, CAN YOU IMAGINE HOW THESE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO
10:08:22AM OBLITERATE THE BRICK STREETS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD?
10:08:27AM ALSO, THEY SAY IF THEY BRING PRODUCT IN ON THESE, ON THE
10:08:32AM SIDE STREETS, THEY WILL BRING OUT GOLF CARTS TO PICK UP THE

10:08:36AM PRODUCT TO TRANSPORT TO THE RESTAURANTS.
10:08:40AM THIS IS RIDICULOUS.
10:08:43AM THE DELIVERIES THAT ARE MADE WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF
10:08:47AM PRODUCTS, LIKE FRESH MEATS, DAIRY, PRODUCE, WINE THROUGH THE
10:08:53AM HEAT ON HOWARD AVENUE IN THE SUMMERTIME, I WONDER IF THE
10:08:58AM DEPARTMENT OF PROFESSIONAL REGULATION OR THE HEALTH
10:09:03AM DEPARTMENT IS GOING TO LIKE THIS IDEA FOR THOSE ITEMS TO BE
10:09:07AM CARRIED BY GOLF CARTS, HOW MANY GOLF CARTS IS IT GOING TO
10:09:11AM TAKE TO UNLOAD PRODUCT FOR MY RESTAURANT?
10:09:15AM HOW MANY IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO UNLOAD FOR BERNS STEAK HOUSE
10:09:21AM OR THE EPICUREAN?
10:09:22AM THIS IS A LUDICROUS IDEA.
10:09:24AM AGAIN, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS TO ALLEVIATE THIS FLOODING IN
10:09:29AM PARKLAND ESTATES AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:09:33AM THEN THE NEXT ITEM THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT WAS THAT THEY
10:09:40AM WOULD HAVE CUSTOMERS GO DOWNTOWN, PARK IN A PARKING GARAGE,
10:09:45AM AND THEY WOULD BE TRANSPORTED TO THE RESTAURANTS.
10:09:48AM NO ONE IS GOING TO DO THAT.
10:09:50AM YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
10:09:52AM I WOULDN'T DO THAT.
10:09:54AM I OPENED MY RESTAURANT 38 YEARS AGO, AND I EMPLOY WELL OVER
10:09:59AM 60 PEOPLE.
10:10:01AM AND THEY WILL BE OUT TRYING TO FIND ANOTHER JOB SOMEWHERE
10:10:04AM ELSE BECAUSE EVEN IF WE GET HALF THE AMOUNT OF CUSTOMERS IN
10:10:11AM THE RESTAURANT, THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT

10:10:15AM THEIR FAMILIES.
10:10:15AM THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS TO THIS PLAN THAT IS WRONG.
10:10:22AM THIS IS GOING TO CERTAINLY DEVASTATE ME, MY FAMILY, AND MY
10:10:28AM LONG-TERM EMPLOYEES.
10:10:29AM I HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR OVER THREE
10:10:33AM DECADES.
10:10:34AM IT'S GOING TO BE DEVASTATING.
10:10:36AM SO BEFORE YOU CAST YOUR VOTE, I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE
10:10:41AM OVER 1700 PEOPLE EMPLOYED ON HOWARD AVENUE AND THE EFFECT
10:10:46AM IT'S GOING TO HAVE ON THEM.
10:10:48AM I REALLY WANT YOU TO THINK HARD ABOUT VOTING FOR THIS
10:10:56AM PROJECT.
10:10:57AM THINK TWICE YOUR CONSCIENCE OF VOTING NO.
10:11:01AM THANK YOU.
10:11:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: RUMELA DOSSS, FRANK RUSSO, JOE COLLIER.
10:11:06AM GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
10:11:10AM >> RUMELA DOSSS, HOMEOWNER AT PARKLAND ESTATES WHO DID NOT
10:11:14AM FLOOD.
10:11:14AM I'M HERE BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT OUR CITY AND KEEPING IT SAFE
10:11:16AM FOR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES.
10:11:19AM I ALSO CARE ABOUT KEEPING OUR CITY FUN AND LIVELY AND A
10:11:23AM PLACE PEOPLE WANT TO BE.
10:11:24AM I KNOW YOU CARE ABOUT THOSE TWO THINGS WHICH IS WHY YOU
10:11:27AM ABSOLUTELY MUST VOTE YES ON THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
10:11:30AM PROJECT.

10:11:30AM EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM AGREES THAT FLOOD RELIEF IS BADLY
10:11:34AM NEEDED IN THE TARGET AREA.
10:11:36AM EVERYONE SHOULD ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT IF THIS PROJECT IS NOT
10:11:38AM APPROVED TO MOVE FORWARD TODAY AFTER NINE YEARS OF INTENSIVE
10:11:42AM STUDY OF ALL FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVES AND FUNDING FROM THREE
10:11:45AM DIFFERENT GOVERNMENT AGENCIES, IT WILL TAKE LIKELY ANOTHER
10:11:49AM DECADE TO GET ANOTHER PROJECT GOING FROM THE GROUND UP.
10:11:52AM TAMPA DOES NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF TIME.
10:11:54AM THE HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THAT HAVE FLOODED
10:11:57AM DO NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF TIME.
10:11:59AM YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD ABOUT HOW OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODS IN AN
10:12:02AM AFTERNOON THUNDERSTORM, WHICH MEANS NO ACCESS TO EMERGENCY
10:12:05AM SERVICES AND COMBINED WITH THE OVERHEAD POWER LINES THAT
10:12:07AM HAVE FALLEN TWICE IN THE LAST YEAR, PRESENT AN ENORMOUS RISK
10:12:11AM TO ALL THE FAMILIES AND KIDS THAT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
10:12:13AM THIS SITUATION IS CREATED BY THE CITY'S INACTION THUS FAR.
10:12:19AM YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RECTIFY THAT TODAY BY VOTING
10:12:22AM YES.
10:12:23AM SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SAFETY, WHICH I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE
10:12:26AM ON.
10:12:27AM NOW LET ME GET TO THE REAL CONTENTIOUS POINT HERE WHICH IS
10:12:30AM KEEPING OUR CITY FUN AND LIVELY.
10:12:32AM I'M TALKING ABOUT THE REASON WHY I CHOSE TO LIVE IN PARKLAND
10:12:35AM ESTATES MYSELF.
10:12:35AM I CAME HERE AFTER LIVING IN BOSTON, NEW YORK, MIAMI, AND

10:12:39AM HONG KONG.
10:12:40AM I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN HAPPY IF I DIDN'T CHOOSE A PLACE LIKE
10:12:43AM PARKLAND ESTATES WHICH IS SO CLOSE TO SOUTH HOWARD WHICH WAS
10:12:47AM LITERALLY THE NUMBER ONE SELLING POINT FOR CHOOSING THE
10:12:50AM AREA.
10:12:50AM THOSE BUSINESSES WHAT ARE MAKE PARKLAND ESTATES SO DESIRABLE
10:12:53AM AND THEY MUST NOT BE HARMED BY THIS PROJECT.
10:12:56AM BUT THE KEY POINT IS THAT THEY WON'T BE HARMED.
10:12:59AM WE'VE HEARD FROM JOHN OF KIMMINS THAT THE VIBRATIONS WILL BE
10:13:03AM MONITORED CONSTANTLY SO BERNS PRECIOUS WINE COLLECTION WILL
10:13:06AM BE SAFE.
10:13:07AM WE'VE HEARD FROM VIK BHIDE, TAMPA'S DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY
10:13:10AM THAT THE SIDEWALKS WILL BE KEPT OPEN TO ABSOLUTELY MAINTAIN
10:13:14AM INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR THE BUSINESSES.
10:13:16AM WE, HOWEVER, DO NOT HAVE INGRESS AND EGRESS WHEN THERE IS AN
10:13:20AM AFTERNOON THUNDERSTORM.
10:13:20AM NOW YOU'RE HEARING FROM ME AND OTHER MEMBERS OF THE
10:13:24AM COMMUNITY WILL BE TELLING YOU THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO OUR
10:13:25AM BEST TO SEND AS MUCH BUSINESS AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO THESE
10:13:30AM SMALL BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD DURING THE TIME THAT THE
10:13:32AM CONSTRUCTION IS HAPPENING JUST TO SHOW THAT WE CARE AND WE
10:13:35AM SUPPORT THEM.
10:13:35AM HAVE YOU GUYS HEARD OF -- THEY HAD THE POWER IN THE PAST TO
10:13:41AM MAKE OR BREAK BUSINESSES.
10:13:43AM WE WILL WIELD THE POWER OF MOST AND OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA

10:13:46AM STREET SIGNAGE, EVERYTHING WE CAN TO SUPPORT OUR VALUABLE
10:13:49AM BUSINESS NEIGHBORS AT SOUTH HOWARD.
10:13:50AM WE DO NOT WANT THEM TO SUFFER.
10:13:52AM AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS A WELL-STUDIED AND FULLY
10:13:54AM FUNDED PROJECT THAT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION THAT WILL GET US
10:13:57AM FLOOD RELIEF WITHOUT HAVING TO WAIT ANOTHER DECADE.
10:14:00AM IT WILL SERVE US WELL FOR MULTIPLE GENERATIONS.
10:14:02AM WE WILL MAKE SURE THE IMPACTS ARE MINIMAL.
10:14:06AM HONORABLE COUNCIL MEMBERS, PLEASE, BELIEVE IN THE ENGINEERS,
10:14:09AM BELIEVE IN THE COMMUNITY AND VOTE YES TO KEEP YOUR
10:14:11AM CONSTITUENTS SAFE.
10:14:12AM THANK YOU.
10:14:12AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:14:13AM FRANK RUSSO.
10:14:14AM JOE COLLIER.
10:14:15AM TRILLIAN BALDASSARI.
10:14:22AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:14:23AM FRANK RUSSO.
10:14:24AM I'M AN EMPLOYEE OF BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
10:14:28AM I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF OUR 300 PLUS EMPLOYEES THAT WE
10:14:32AM HAVE AND ASKING YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER THIS.
10:14:35AM THE DEVASTATION THAT IT WOULD CREATE FOR OUR EMPLOYEES AND
10:14:39AM THEIR FAMILIES.
10:14:42AM THE TRICKLE-DOWN EFFECT OF IT ALONE WOULD BE YEARS OF
10:14:48AM DESTRUCTION TO OUR BUSINESSES.

10:14:50AM THE EMPLOYEES RELY ON US.
10:14:53AM WE LOVE AND RESPECT OUR EMPLOYEES THAT ARE A PART OF US.
10:14:59AM THEY HAVE BECOME A PART OF OUR FAMILY.
10:15:00AM WE'RE NOT BLIND TO THE FACT THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS
10:15:05AM WATER TO FIND A NEW PATH.
10:15:09AM WE'RE PERFECTLY AWARE OF IT.
10:15:11AM WE'RE NOT BLIND TO IT.
10:15:13AM BUT WE DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS.
10:15:17AM PLEASE CONSIDER THOSE OTHER OPTIONS.
10:15:19AM WE LOVE AND RESPECT TAMPA.
10:15:21AM WE'VE DONE GREAT THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY OF
10:15:26AM TAMPA AT BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
10:15:29AM FOR 70 YEARS, WE'VE BEEN A KEY PART OF EVERY DEVELOPMENT AND
10:15:33AM EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE WITHIN THE CITY.
10:15:35AM WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION TO PLEASE RELOOK AT THIS
10:15:42AM VENTURE.
10:15:43AM LOOK AT THE OTHER AVENUES THAT CAN TAKE PLACE, THAT YOU CAN
10:15:47AM USE AND LET US KNOW.
10:15:52AM WE LOVE OUR PEOPLE.
10:15:53AM WE LOVE OUR COMMUNITY.
10:15:54AM WE LOVE WHAT WE DO.
10:15:57AM WE WANT TO KNOW THAT WE ARE LOVED BY YOU, THE CITY COUNCIL
10:16:00AM AS WELL, AND THINK OF US.
10:16:04AM THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU.
10:16:06AM I HOPE YOU DO CONSIDER THIS AND KNOW THAT THERE ARE MANY

10:16:09AM MORE, NOT JUST 300 FAMILIES AT BERNS, BUT ALL THOSE
10:16:13AM BUSINESSES ALONG THAT COMMUNITY LINE.
10:16:15AM THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
10:16:18AM PLEASE CONSIDER US.
10:16:20AM THANK YOU.
10:16:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:16:22AM JOE COLLIER.
10:16:31AM TRILLIAN BALDASSARI.
10:16:33AM DAVID DeLOACH.
10:16:34AM I WAS ASKED THAT WHOEVER THE NEXT SPEAKER IS, AFTER THE
10:16:37AM CURRENT SPEAKER, JUST PLEASE LINE UP BY THE WALL SO WE CAN
10:16:41AM KEEP THE FLOW GOING.
10:16:43AM GOOD MORNING, MR. COLLIER.
10:16:44AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:16:45AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:16:45AM MY NAME IS JOE COLLIER.
10:16:47AM GENERAL PARTNER OF THE EPICUREAN HOTEL AND CEO OF MAIN SAIL
10:16:51AM LODGING AND DEVELOPMENT.
10:16:52AM EMPLOY 125 PEOPLE AT THE EPICUREAN HOTEL.
10:16:54AM THE SOHO BUSINESS DISTRICT HAS GROWN ORGANICALLY OVER THE
10:16:59AM LAST 50 YEARS AND POPULATED BY NOTHING BUT FAMILY OWNED
10:17:01AM BUSINESSES.
10:17:02AM UNLIKE DOWNTOWN AND PROJECTS LIKE WATER STREET, WE NEVER
10:17:05AM ASKED OR RECEIVED ANY TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS OR THE
10:17:07AM TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TAX INCENTIVES OR OTHER.

10:17:10AM WE HAVE CREATED A POPULAR AND WALKABLE AREA FOR TOURISTS AND
10:17:13AM LOCALS WITH OUR OWN MONEY AND PAID OUR TAXES ALONG THE WAY.
10:17:16AM WE AGREE WITH OUR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS IN PARKLAND THAT
10:17:20AM THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE DREAD AND DAMAGE OF
10:17:23AM FLOODING.
10:17:23AM WE WANT TO HELP SOLVE THIS ISSUE.
10:17:25AM THE CITY TEAM HAS PITTED US AGAINST SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS
10:17:28AM THAT HAPPEN TO BE FRIENDS AND CUSTOMERS BY CREATING A FALSE
10:17:31AM CHOICE.
10:17:31AM IT'S A FALSE CHOICE.
10:17:32AM IT'S EITHER AGREE TO THE SOUTH HOWARD PLAN AND BLINDLY TAKE
10:17:37AM THE WORD OF THESE PARTICULAR ENGINEERS OR CONTINUE TO FLOOD.
10:17:40AM IT IS A RIDICULOUS AND UNNECESSARY CHOICE.
10:17:42AM WE CAN DO BOTH, SOLVE THE FLOODING AND NOT DESTROY PEOPLE'S
10:17:45AM BUSINESSES AND LIVELIHOODS.
10:17:48AM A LARGE PORTION OF THE PARKLAND RESIDENTS DON'T WANT THIS
10:17:50AM PLAN.
10:17:50AM ASK THEM.
10:17:51AM THEY DON'T WANT THIS PLAN IN PART IT DOESN'T IMPROVE
10:17:54AM ANYTHING FOR THEM FOR OVER THREE YEARS.
10:17:57AM DOESN'T TOUCH THEM FOR THREE YEARS.
10:17:58AM WE CAN DO BETTER.
10:17:59AM IT IS A COMPLETE FANTASY BY ENGINEERS THAT DON'T HAVE TO
10:18:02AM MAKE PAYROLL OR DEBT SERVICE AND BY A CONTRACTOR THAT'S IN
10:18:05AM THE MIX NOW THAT STANDS TO MAKE 65 MILLION THAT YOU CAN

10:18:08AM CLOSE HOWARD AVENUE AND NOT DESTROY THESE BUSINESSES AND YOU
10:18:11AM WILL CREATE HAVOC IN HYDE PARK AND NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL.
10:18:14AM ONCE YOU START THE PROJECT, HOWARD AVENUE IS NO LONGER A
10:18:17AM THOROUGHFARE AND 10,000 CARS A DAY WILL START DIVERTING.
10:18:21AM SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE HOTEL, WHAT MOTHER OF THE BRIDE IS
10:18:23AM GOING TO PLAN THEIR WEDDING WHEN THEIR GUESTS HAVE TO TALK
10:18:27AM ABOUT SATELLITE LOTS, CAN'T GET TO THE FRONT DOOR AND
10:18:31AM DRESSES AND TUXEDOS AND HAVE TO BE TRANSPORTED IN GOLF CARTS
10:18:34AM TO THESE RESTAURANTS THROUGH THE DIRT AND MUD?
10:18:36AM BE REAL.
10:18:37AM ARE YOU GOING TO DRESS UP AND DO THAT?
10:18:39AM YOU'RE NOT.
10:18:40AM NO, YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE YOUR BEHAVIORS AND AVOID SOUTH
10:18:42AM HOWARD FOR THREE YEARS AND LONGER.
10:18:45AM THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SECTIONS, BUT ONCE YOU STOP THE
10:18:48AM TRAFFIC AND YOU DIVERT THIS ARTERY, HOWARD AVENUE BECOMES
10:18:51AM ROUTE 66 LIKE OUT WEST.
10:18:53AM THESE RESTAURANTS WILL BECOME OBSOLETE.
10:18:56AM PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR AND THEY ARE GOING.
10:18:58AM THE PLAN BEING PROPOSED IS NOT THOUGHTFUL OR CLEVER OR
10:19:01AM CUTTING EDGE.
10:19:02AM A HUGE BOX CULVERT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF HOWARD AVENUE COULD BE
10:19:05AM DESIGNED BY ANY KNUCKLE DRAGGER.
10:19:07AM I'M SO DISAPPOINTED IN THIS.
10:19:09AM THE ROMANS CAME UP WITH BETTER ADVANCE THINKING THAN THIS.

10:19:13AM IT IS A BOX CULVERT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUSIEST STREET IN
10:19:16AM SOUTH TAMPA.
10:19:17AM THERE ARE OTHER ROUTES AND VERY TELLING AT THE COMMUNITY
10:19:19AM ENGAGEMENT MEETING MONDAY NIGHT.
10:19:21AM KEPT TALKING ABOUT THE COST, WHEN ASKED ABOUT A FINANCIAL
10:19:23AM IMPACT STUDY, NONE HAD BEEN DONE.
10:19:25AM THEY SAID THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
10:19:26AM IS THAT COLLABORATION?
10:19:27AM NO.
10:19:28AM WE DON'T NEED TO DO A FINANCIAL IMPACT STUDY.
10:19:31AM WE'LL PUT YOU GUYS OUT OF BUSINESS.
10:19:33AM THAT IS THE WAY WE DECIDED TO REENGINEER THIS THING AND DO
10:19:36AM IT WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER CHOICES.
10:19:38AM WE CAN DO THIS TOGETHER.
10:19:39AM THE SOHO BUSINESS GUYS GOT TOGETHER A COUPLE OF NIGHTS AGO
10:19:42AM AND THE ANGST AND THE LOOK ON THEIR FACE THINKING ABOUT
10:19:46AM BANKRUPTCY AND GOING OUT OF BUSINESS, YOU SHOULD BE THERE TO
10:19:49AM SEE THAT AND APPRECIATE THAT AND EMBRACE THAT.
10:19:51AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:19:52AM >> THERE ARE OTHER CHOICES.
10:19:53AM >> THANK YOU, SIR.
10:19:55AM TRILLIAN BALDASSARI.
10:19:56AM DAVID DeLOACH, PATRICK CIMINO.
10:19:59AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:20:00AM I'M TRILLION BALDASSARI.

10:20:02AM I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
10:20:03AM I'M A CERTIFIED FLOODPLAIN MANAGER AND PRESIDENT OF
10:20:07AM DeLOACH ENGINEERING SCIENCE.
10:20:09AM 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN MANAGING AND FIXING BROKEN
10:20:11AM WATERSHEDS.
10:20:12AM YOU HAVE OPTIONS.
10:20:13AM ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS MORNING IS FOR A BRIEF PAUSE, A
10:20:17AM BRIEF PAUSE WOULD ALLOW US TO LOOK AT THE WATERSHED WITH A
10:20:21AM FRESH PERSPECTIVE AND EMPHASIS ON MODERN STORMWATER
10:20:23AM MANAGEMENT PRACTICES.
10:20:26AM WE WOULD APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP AND PRESENT
10:20:30AM SOME OF THESE ALTERNATIVES TO YOU.
10:20:31AM ALTERNATIVES THAT MANAGE STORMWATER WITHIN THE EXISTING
10:20:33AM BASIN THAT AREN'T JUST SIMPLY MOVING ONE BURDEN FROM ONE
10:20:37AM COMMUNITY TO ANOTHER, BUT ALSO IMPORTANTLY, ALTERNATIVES
10:20:41AM THAT WILL PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF FLOOD PROTECTION FOR THE
10:20:44AM RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THAT DESPERATELY NEED IT RIGHT NOW,
10:20:48AM WITHOUT EXCESSIVELY IMPACTING THE BUSINESSES AND MANY
10:20:52AM FAMILIES WHO RELY ON THOSE BUSINESSES FOR THEIR LIVELIHOOD.
10:20:55AM WE UNDERSTAND AND WE ARE SYMPATHETIC FOR THE NEED FOR FLOOD
10:20:58AM RELIEF TODAY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR A SHORT,
10:21:01AM TEMPORARY HOLD TO EXPLORE AND PRESENT THESE ALTERNATIVES TO
10:21:05AM YOU.
10:21:05AM WE'RE ASKING FOR 120 DAYS, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THAT AND IT
10:21:11AM WOULD BE INSIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO THE DELAYS THAT YOU WILL

10:21:14AM ENCOUNTER ONCE YOU DIG UP HOWARD.
10:21:17AM I WOULD BET MY HOUSE ON THAT.
10:21:19AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
10:21:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:21:21AM DAVID DeLOACH.
10:21:22AM PATRICK CIMINO AND MICHAEL GREEN.
10:21:26AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
10:21:27AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:21:28AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:21:29AM MY NAME IS DAVE DeLOACH.
10:21:30AM I'M A CIVIL ENGINEER WITH DeLOACH ENGINEERING SCIENCE OUT
10:21:33AM OF ORLANDO.
10:21:34AM MY FIRM SPECIALIZES IN WATER RESOURCES AND FLOOD MITIGATION.
10:21:38AM I PERSONALLY HAD OVER 35 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN DEVELOPING
10:21:41AM INNOVATIVE SOLUTIONS TO COMPLEX FLOODING PROBLEMS THROUGHOUT
10:21:45AM SOUTHWEST FLORIDA.
10:21:46AM I'M HERE TODAY ON BEHALF OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ALONG
10:21:48AM HOWARD AVENUE TO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A BRIEF HOLD ON THIS
10:21:51AM VERY IMPORTANT PROJECT.
10:21:52AM THIS PAUSE WOULD ALLOW US TO PERFORM AN INDEPENDENT
10:21:56AM ASSESSMENT OF ALTERNATIVES AND PRESENT WITH YOU A CONCEPTUAL
10:21:58AM PLAN THAT PROVIDES EQUIVALENT OR BETTER FLOOD PROTECTION
10:22:02AM WITHOUT PLACING EXTREME BURDEN ON THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
10:22:04AM WE AGREE, OF COURSE, THAT PROTECTING THE RESIDENTS OF
10:22:08AM PARKLAND ESTATES AND THE BUSINESSES ALONG SWANN AVENUE AND

10:22:12AM THE COMMUNITY IN THE UPPER BASIN IS THE CRITICAL GOAL HERE.
10:22:15AM HOWEVER, THE CURRENT PLAN, WHICH DIVERTS STORMWATER FROM THE
10:22:18AM AREA TO HOWARD AVENUE ALTERS EXISTING DRAINAGE PATTERNS AND
10:22:22AM ALLOWS INTERBASIN TRANSFER OF STORMWATER.
10:22:25AM THIS SHIFT NEEDLESSLY IMPOSES SIGNIFICANT RISKS TO THE
10:22:29AM BUSINESSES ALONG HOWARD AVENUE.
10:22:30AM AS AN EXPERIENCED WATER RESOURCES ENGINEER IN OUR FIRM, WE
10:22:35AM BELIEVE STRONGLY THAT EQUIVALENT OR BETTER FLOOD PROTECTION
10:22:37AM CAN BE ACHIEVED WITHOUT TRANSFERRING WATER TO AN ADJACENT
10:22:41AM BASIN.
10:22:41AM OUR REVIEW OF THE JMT REPORT AND STAFF'S DESCRIPTIONS OF THE
10:22:46AM ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS INDICATES THAT ENGINEERING
10:22:49AM ALTERNATIVES DO EXIST.
10:22:50AM THEIR OWN REPORTS SHOW THAT THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES THAT
10:22:53AM EXIST.
10:22:53AM THERE ARE VIABLE OPTIONS TO IMPROVE FLOOD PROTECTION BY
10:22:56AM ADDRESSING DEFICIENCIES WITHIN THE UPPER BASIN NORTH OF
10:23:00AM SWANN AVENUE, ENHANCING THE EXISTING OUTFALL SYSTEMS THAT
10:23:03AM HISTORICALLY HAVE SERVED THESE FLOOD-PRONE AREAS.
10:23:06AM THESE OPTIONS DO NOT REQUIRE BURDENING ANOTHER COMMUNITY.
10:23:08AM AND WHILE ORIGINALLY REJECTED AS BEING TOO COSTLY, IN
10:23:12AM RETROSPECT, THOSE ALTERNATIVES IN THAT REPORT ARE IN LINE
10:23:15AM WITH THE COST OF THE CURRENT PLAN WITHOUT ADDING THE COST TO
10:23:19AM AREA BUSINESSES.
10:23:19AM MODERN TECHNOLOGIES EXIST AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT

10:23:24AM PRACTICES CAN HELP.
10:23:25AM SMART TECHNOLOGY SUCH AS REAL-TIME CONTROLS FOR PONDS CAN
10:23:29AM OPTIMIZE STORAGE, STRUCTURE LIKE PERMEABLE PAVEMENTS AND
10:23:33AM RAIN GARDENS REDUCE RAIN-OFF AND UNDERGROUND VAULTS TO
10:23:38AM INCREASE STORAGE AND ATTENUATION WITH STORAGE RECOVERY.
10:23:41AM ADDRESSING SOURCE FLOODING IS PRUDENT.
10:23:45AM IN FACT, GOOD ENGINEERING PRACTICE.
10:23:47AM ACCORDING TO CITY STAFF AND YOUR CONSULTANTS AND AREA
10:23:50AM RESIDENTS, THE UPPER BASIN CONTRIBUTES SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE
10:23:53AM FLOODING PROBLEMS ALONG SWANN AVENUE AND PARKLAND ESTATES.
10:23:55AM IMPROVEMENTS TO THE EXISTING STREET INLETS, CONVEYANCE LINES
10:24:00AM AND STORAGE PONDS WITHIN THE UPPER BASINS WOULD LIKELY
10:24:03AM REDUCE THE DOWNSTREAM BURDEN TO A POINT THAT LOCALIZED
10:24:07AM UPGRADES WITHIN PARKLAND ESTATES COULD THEN SOLVE THE
10:24:09AM REMAINING FLOODING ISSUES WITHOUT TRANSFERRING WATER TO
10:24:12AM HOWARD.
10:24:13AM WE BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL SHOULD CAREFULLY CONSIDER WHETHER
10:24:18AM DIVERTING STORMWATER TO HOWARD AVENUE AND THE ADJOINING
10:24:20AM BASIN IS TRULY THE BEST OPTION FOR TAMPA.
10:24:22AM THAT PLAN DISRUPTS BUSINESSES, RISKS DAMAGING PROPERTIES AND
10:24:26AM SHIFTS A HEAVY BURDEN FROM ONE COMMUNITY TO ANOTHER.
10:24:28AM THANK YOU.
10:24:29AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:24:30AM PATRICK CIMINO, MICHAEL GREEN, DAVID LAXER.
10:24:35AM GOOD MORNING, DR. CIMINO.

10:24:40AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:24:40AM I'M PATRICK CIMINO.
10:24:42AM I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HISTORIC HYDE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD
10:24:46AM ASSOCIATION LAND USE COMMITTEE.
10:24:50AM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS HALF OF HOWARD FROM SELMON TO BAYSHORE.
10:24:54AM SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US.
10:24:56AM I THINK IT'S VERY APT THAT THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR
10:24:59AM MENTIONED WE'RE IN A NEW WORLD AND COUNCILMAN MIRANDA
10:25:03AM REINFORCED THAT.
10:25:05AM IT'S A CHANGED TIME.
10:25:06AM CLIMATE CHANGE IS MAKING OUR LIVES VERY DIFFERENT AND IN A
10:25:09AM VERY NEGATIVE WAY.
10:25:11AM IT'S ACTUALLY NOT CONTROLLABLE.
10:25:14AM I WISH WE COULD DO THINGS TO MITIGATE IT.
10:25:17AM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS A CONTROLLABLE THAT I WOULD LIKE
10:25:19AM TO EXPRESS IS I DON'T THINK THE ADMINISTRATION AND THE
10:25:23AM MOBILITY STAFF HAVE COMMUNICATED ACCORDING TO ELEMENT 6 IN
10:25:30AM THE RFQ, WHICH IS COMMUNICATE AT EVERY STEP WITH ALL THE
10:25:35AM STAKEHOLDERS.
10:25:36AM WE'VE GOTTEN PARTIAL INFORMATION AND WE'VE GOT NO DECENT
10:25:39AM RISK BENEFIT ASSESSMENT OF THINGS LIKE ROUTE, PROTECTION OF
10:25:45AM HISTORIC ASSETS, MANAGEMENT OF WATER DURING PROJECT,
10:25:48AM DETOURS.
10:25:49AM THE DETOURS OUTLINED IN THAT REQUEST, SWANN, MacDILL,
10:25:55AM BAY TO BAY, BACK TO SWANN.

10:25:58AM SWANN HAD THREE CLOSINGS AT LEAST IN THE LAST TWO YEARS DUE
10:26:01AM TO LINE FAILURES.
10:26:02AM WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN THAT HAPPENS?
10:26:04AM SO WE NEED MORE INFORMATION.
10:26:07AM THE SAD THING IS -- EVERYBODY HAS SYMPATHY FOR THE PARKLAND
10:26:11AM AND PALMA CEIA PINES AREAS, THIS PROJECT ONLY ADDRESSES TO A
10:26:19AM DEGREE SEASONAL DOWN-POURS.
10:26:23AM IT IS NOT A SOLUTION FOR WHAT WE EXPERIENCED WITH MILTON.
10:26:27AM THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
10:26:31AM ANYWAY, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THIS A LOT BECAUSE I FEEL
10:26:34AM LIKE WE SHOULD HIRE DUTCH ENGINEERS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN
10:26:38AM DEALING WITH FLOODING FOR CENTURIES.
10:26:40AM AND WE NEED TO THINK OUT OF THE BOX.
10:26:43AM I DON'T HAVE MY BOARD'S APPROVAL OF THIS, BUT I SUPPORT
10:26:46AM GETTING A GOOD ENGINEERING ASSESSMENT AND DELAYING FOR A
10:26:49AM LITTLE WHILE.
10:26:50AM WE ACTUALLY HAVEN'T GOTTEN GREAT ANSWERS FROM THE CITY
10:26:53AM MOBILITY.
10:26:54AM THEY SAY, OH, IT WILL ALL BE IN THE WORK.
10:26:56AM WELL, WE WANT TO KNOW NOW.
10:26:58AM WE WANT TO KNOW THIS IS A HUGE IMPACT ON US.
10:27:01AM I SUGGEST YOU REALLY SCRUTINIZE.
10:27:03AM IF NOTHING ELSE, MAKE THE CITY ACCOUNTABLE.
10:27:08AM WE DO NEED THINGS DONE, BUT AS THE DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR
10:27:11AM MENTIONED, IT'S GOING TO BE COMPLICATED.

10:27:14AM IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE COORDINATED.
10:27:16AM IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE.
10:27:17AM THERE ARE A LOT OF UNKNOWNS.
10:27:19AM I WISH I DIDN'T HAVE TO SAY THAT.
10:27:21AM I REALLY WISH I DIDN'T, BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
10:27:25AM VERY BE MINDFUL OF YOUR DECISION.
10:27:28AM THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY.
10:27:30AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:27:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
10:27:31AM MICHAEL GREEN.
10:27:32AM DAVID LAXER.
10:27:33AM JAMES GLEN.
10:27:37AM GOOD MORNING, MR. GREEN.
10:27:38AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:27:38AM MY NAME IS MICHAEL GREEN.
10:27:40AM I'M A RESIDENT OF PARKLAND ESTATES THAT DID NOT FLOOD.
10:27:44AM I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN THE AREA ON THE WEST SIDE OF HOWARD
10:27:47AM FOR A LITTLE OVER 20 YEARS NOW.
10:27:48AM I AM IN FAVOR OF THE COUNCIL APPROVING THE PROJECT TODAY.
10:27:54AM WE'VE ALL BEEN AWARE OF THE STORMWATER PROBLEMS IN THE AREA
10:27:59AM FOR WELL OVER A DECADE NOW.
10:28:02AM REGARDLESS OF THE SOLUTION THAT IS CHOSEN IN THE END, IT'S A
10:28:07AM DENSE URBAN ENVIRONMENT.
10:28:08AM THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO BUSINESSES, AND THERE
10:28:12AM WILL BE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES ALONG

10:28:17AM THE WAY, EVENTUALLY TO THE BAY WHERE I IMAGINE PRETTY MUCH
10:28:20AM ALL STORMWATER WILL EVENTUALLY FLOW TO.
10:28:23AM MY UNDERSTANDING IS MOST OF THE EASEMENTS AND RIGHT-OF-WAYS
10:28:26AM FOR THE EXISTING PROPOSED ROUTE ARE ALREADY IN PLACE.
10:28:31AM I UNDERSTAND JUST TO GET NEW EASEMENTS AND RIGHT-OF-WAYS IN
10:28:37AM PLACE, LIKELY TAKE YEARS, MANY ADDITIONAL MILLIONS OF
10:28:39AM DOLLARS BEFORE WE GET BACK TO A MEETING LIKE THIS AND THEN
10:28:42AM HEAR FROM THE IMPACTED BUSINESSES AND RESIDENTS AT THAT
10:28:46AM POINT IF THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE PROPOSED.
10:28:48AM AS WE ALL DISCUSSED, WE NEED TO MOVE AHEAD WITH STORMWATER
10:28:52AM MITIGATION AND RELIEF AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
10:28:56AM THESE 200 AND 500-YEAR STORMS ARE UNFORTUNATELY LIKELY TO
10:28:59AM COME WITH GREATER FREQUENCY.
10:29:00AM WE ARE ALL IN DANGER OF THAT.
10:29:03AM THE IDEA OF THE CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER HOWARD WILL
10:29:07AM NEVER NEED TO BE TOUCHED IS LUDICROUS.
10:29:12AM AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, THERE WILL BE A MAJOR
10:29:15AM INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.
10:29:16AM WHY SHOULD WE CONTINUE TO KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD?
10:29:21AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:29:21AM I APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PROPOSAL TODAY.
10:29:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:29:26AM NEXT UP IS DAVID LAXER.
10:29:30AM JAMES FLYNN.
10:29:30AM VICTOR DiMAIO.

10:29:32AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
10:29:32AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:29:33AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:29:34AM DAVID LAXER.
10:29:35AM I AND MY WIFE CHRISTINA ARE RESIDENTS OF SOUTH TAMPA AND
10:29:39AM BUSINESS OWNERS OF BERN'S STEAK HOUSE, HAVEN, BERNS FINE
10:29:44AM WINE AND SPIRITS.
10:29:45AM WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT OUR STORMWATER MITIGATION ISSUES NEED
10:29:48AM TO BE ADDRESSED.
10:29:48AM THE DEBATE IS HOW TO DO THIS WHILE ACHIEVING THE DESIRED
10:29:52AM RESULTS WITH AS LITTLE NEGATIVE IMPACT OR DAMAGE.
10:29:55AM WE ALL FEEL FOR THE HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN
10:29:58AM AFFECTED BY THE HURRICANE MILTON AND FOR THE ONES THAT
10:30:02AM CONTINUOUSLY ARE IMPACTED BY UNUSUALLY HEAVY RAINFALL.
10:30:05AM HOWEVER, A PLAN THAT POTENTIALLY FIXES ONE PROBLEM BUT
10:30:10AM CAUSES EXTENDED HARDSHIP ON OTHER MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY
10:30:13AM IS NOT A GOOD PLAN.
10:30:15AM THIS PLAN CREATES A FALSE NARRATIVE THAT EITHER NEIGHBORHOOD
10:30:19AM SUFFERS OR WE MUST TEAR APART HOWARD AVENUE TO PROVIDE
10:30:22AM RELIEF.
10:30:23AM I FOR ONE CANNOT ACCEPT THAT PREMISE.
10:30:26AM WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN DO BETTER.
10:30:29AM BUT THIS REQUIRES THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX AND, YES,
10:30:32AM ACTUALLY HAVING HONEST AND TRANSPARENT DISCUSSIONS.
10:30:36AM OUR CITY REPRESENTATIVES IN THIS CASE HAVE NOT DONE THIS.

10:30:39AM SHAME ON THEM.
10:30:41AM THOUGH I AM NOT A STORMWATER ENGINEER, A LOT OF COMMON SENSE
10:30:45AM CAN TELL YOU THAT COST REWARD BENEFIT OF THIS PLAN IS NOT
10:30:49AM GOOD.
10:30:50AM THERE IS A REASON THE PREVIOUS TWO ADMINISTRATIONS DECLINED
10:30:53AM TO APPROVE THIS PLAN GOING DOWN HOWARD AVENUE.
10:30:56AM OUR FAMILY BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN ON HOWARD AVENUE SINCE 1956.
10:31:01AM WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OVER THE YEARS AND I CAN REMEMBER WHEN
10:31:04AM SOUTH TAMPA WAS VIRTUALLY ABANDONED.
10:31:06AM AT THE TIME MY PARENTS TOOK A RISK BUILDING A BUSINESS ON
10:31:10AM HOWARD AVENUE, THEY DID NOT RECEIVE ANY INCENTIVES FROM THE
10:31:13AM CITY.
10:31:14AM THERE WAS NO OPPORTUNITY ZONE OR COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT
10:31:17AM DISTRICT.
10:31:17AM NO, THERE WAS HARD WORK.
10:31:22AM SLOWLY OTHER BUSINESSES CAME AND SLOWLY FAMILIES MOVED BACK
10:31:26AM AND STARTED TO REVITALIZE SOUTH TAMPA.
10:31:31AM HOWEVER, NOW THE CITY WANTS TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO OUR
10:31:36AM STORMWATER SYSTEM AND SACRIFICE THE FAMILY INDEPENDENTLY
10:31:39AM OWNED BUSINESSES ALONG HOWARD AVENUE.
10:31:41AM THEY HAVE GROWN ORGANICALLY OVER THE YEARS ON A STREET THAT
10:31:46AM DOESN'T EVEN FLOOD.
10:31:47AM HONESTLY AND TRUTHFULLY, NOT HAVING DIALOGUE WITH THE
10:31:54AM STAKEHOLDERS.
10:31:54AM IT IS TRULY UNFORTUNATE THAT OUR MAYOR AND CITY

10:31:58AM ADMINISTRATORS AND STAFF WORKING ON THIS PROJECT ARE DRIVING
10:32:02AM A WEDGE BETWEEN NEIGHBORS AND THE BUSINESSES ALONG HOWARD
10:32:04AM AVENUE.
10:32:05AM THE LACK IN TRANSPARENCY AND HONEST AND TRUTHFUL DIALOGUE
10:32:09AM FROM THE CITY REPRESENTATIVES IN THIS REGARD TO THIS PROJECT
10:32:13AM IS DISHEARTENING.
10:32:16AM IT IS ALSO ALLOWING THE CITY FAILED TO HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD AND
10:32:18AM BUSINESS MEETINGS IN CONJUNCTION.
10:32:21AM RUNNING OUT OF TIME.
10:32:25AM ALSO TO STATE THAT THE PAIN WILL END -- AFTER STATING THAT
10:32:29AM THE PAIN WILL END AFTER CONSTRUCTION IS ALSO FALSE.
10:32:33AM CUSTOMERS WILL DEVELOP NEW DINING PATTERNS AND GROUP
10:32:35AM BUSINESSES WILL SETTLE TO OTHER RESTAURANTS AND THOSE YEARS
10:32:39AM OF GOODWILL WILL BE LOST.
10:32:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
10:32:42AM >> THANK YOU.
10:32:42AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
10:32:45AM MR. FLYNN.
10:32:46AM VICTOR DiMAIO.
10:32:48AM I SEE NGUYETHANGA VU.
10:32:55AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
10:32:57AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:32:57AM JAMES FLYNN.
10:32:58AM MY WIFE IS A DOCTOR WHO OWNS SOUTH TAMPA DERMATOLOGY AT 2605
10:33:05AM WEST SWANN.

10:33:06AM OVERLOADED STORM SEWERS FLOODED OUR OFFICE AGAIN, WHICH HAD
10:33:10AM TO BE CLOSED DOWN AND TORN DOWN TO THE STUDS.
10:33:14AM OVER 5,000 APPOINTMENTS WERE CANCELED JUST IN OUR BUILDING.
10:33:19AM THAT'S DENTAL, PRIMARY CARE, LAB, DERMATOLOGY, BIOPSIES,
10:33:24AM MINOR SURGERY.
10:33:25AM 5,000 PEOPLE WITH MEDICAL NEEDS WERE INCONVENIENCED GREATLY.
10:33:30AM AND THAT'S JUST ONE BUILDING.
10:33:32AM IT'S NOT COUNTING THE ONES ACROSS THE STREET.
10:33:34AM THE BUSINESSES ON HOWARD OPPOSED TO THIS PLAN DO NOT HAVE A
10:33:40AM FLOODING PROBLEM FROM THE STORM SEWERS.
10:33:42AM BUT IF THEY DID, IF SOUTH HOWARD WAS IMPASSABLE A DOZEN
10:33:47AM TIMES A YEAR DUE TO SUMMER RAINS, THE EPICUREAN, BELLA'S,
10:33:52AM HAVEN, BERN'S HAD TO BE RIPPED DOWN TO THE STUDS A FEW TIMES
10:33:56AM BECAUSE THE STORMWATERS WERE BACKING UP, WOULD YOU HAVE
10:34:00AM SPENT TEN YEARS LOOKING AT OPTIONS?
10:34:02AM THE HOWARD BUSINESS OWNERS SAY THIS PROJECT WILL BE A
10:34:08AM TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE AND THEY ARE HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT.
10:34:13AM THIS COULD PUT THE LUSTER IN CLUSTER.
10:34:16AM IT IS GOING TO BE BAD.
10:34:19AM YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE WAS A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE ON HOWARD?
10:34:22AM BUILDING THE EPICUREAN HOTEL.
10:34:25AM [ APPLAUSE ]
10:34:25AM BUT PEOPLE ADAPTED.
10:34:30AM THE HEADACHES WERE TEMPORARY.
10:34:32AM IT WAS A PROJECT.

10:34:35AM STORM SEWER FLOODING IS NOT A HOWARD AVENUE PROBLEM, YET
10:34:38AM THEY ACT LIKE VICTIMS.
10:34:41AM APPARENTLY THIS IS ONE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THEY CANNOT
10:34:44AM ADAPT TO.
10:34:46AM THE VIBRATIONS FROM THE SEMITRUCKS AND CEMENT MIXERS
10:34:49AM RUMBLING DOWN HOWARD AND ALL THE HEAVY NEIGHBORHOOD
10:34:52AM CONSTRUCTION, SINKING PILINGS AND THE LIKE, OVER THE PAST 70
10:34:57AM YEARS, HAVEN'T DESTROYED THE BERN'S WINE CELLAR, HOWEVER,
10:35:03AM THE OWNER THE OTHER NIGHT SAID THIS PROJECT WAS A GREAT
10:35:07AM THREAT.
10:35:08AM NOW, IS THAT HYPERBOLE FROM THE OWNER WHO DOESN'T WANT THE
10:35:12AM BIG HEADACHE THAT'S COMING?
10:35:14AM IT CERTAINLY WASN'T A QUOTE FROM A VIBRATION MITIGATION
10:35:17AM SPECIALIST.
10:35:18AM THIS PROJECT IS TEMPORARY AND SO TOO ARE ALL OF THE
10:35:23AM HEADACHES IT'S GOING TO BRING.
10:35:27AM TRAFFIC SOLUTIONS CAN BE FOUND.
10:35:31AM PURVEYORS CAN DELIVER SUPPLIES IN SMALLER VEHICLES AND TREES
10:35:35AM CAN BE REPLANTED.
10:35:36AM LET'S MOVE ON WITH THIS PROJECT.
10:35:38AM INNOVATIVE ENTREPRENEURS CAN ADOPT TO THESE HEADACHES.
10:35:41AM THEY PUT THEIR BIG-BOY PANTS ON AND THEY GET TO WORK.
10:35:44AM WE REALLY WANT THIS PROJECT PASSED.
10:35:47AM THANK YOU.
10:35:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

10:35:50AM VICTOR DiMAIO NEXT SPEAKER.
10:35:53AM NGUYETHANGA VU.
10:35:57AM DAVID ADAMS ALREADY SPOKE.
10:35:59AM TINA ADAMS.
10:36:03AM MR. DiMAIO -- ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD, SIR.
10:36:06AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:36:07AM >> VICTOR DiMAIO.
10:36:08AM 1205 NORTH FRANKLIN STREET, SUITE 103.
10:36:12AM HERE REPRESENTING BERN'S STEAK HOUSE AND THE EPICUREAN AND
10:36:16AM SISTER RESTAURANT DOWN THE STREET, HAVEN.
10:36:18AM I'M GOING TO MAKE ONE THING CRYSTAL CLEAR SO THERE'S NO
10:36:21AM MISUNDERSTANDING.
10:36:22AM WE DO WANT TO HELP THE PEOPLE WITH THE FLOODING SITUATION
10:36:26AM THAT THEY ARE EXPERIENCING NOW.
10:36:28AM WE WENT OUT AND HIRED ONE OF THE TOP ENGINEERS WE COULD FIND
10:36:32AM IN STORMWATER IN ORLANDO THAT SPOKE HERE PREVIOUSLY, MR.
10:36:38AM DeLOACH.
10:36:39AM THE FEW DAYS HE'S BEEN ON THE JOB, HE'S IDENTIFIED OPTIONS
10:36:44AM TO GOING DOWN HOWARD.
10:36:45AM THIS CONTRACT THEY ARE ASKING YOU TO APPROVE TODAY IS ALL
10:36:48AM ABOUT HOWARD, HOWARD, HOWARD.
10:36:49AM THERE'S NO OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE.
10:36:51AM IF I TOLD YOU THAT WE CAN SOLVE OR MITIGATE THE FLOODING
10:36:57AM PROBLEM IN PARKLAND ESTATES AND THE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE
10:37:00AM AFFECTED WITHOUT TOUCHING HOWARD, WOULD YOU AT LEAST LISTEN

10:37:03AM TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY?
10:37:04AM THESE PEOPLE ARE EXPERTS.
10:37:07AM I'M NOT AN ENGINEER AND NEITHER IS ANYONE ELSE HERE.
10:37:10AM BUT THE ENGINEERS AT THE CITY OF TAMPA ARE DUG IN.
10:37:13AM THEY ARE BEING VERY PIG-HEADED ABOUT THIS AND WON'T LISTEN
10:37:17AM TO ANY OTHER OPTIONS.
10:37:19AM WE HAVE OPTIONS.
10:37:19AM OPTIONS APPLIED IN OTHER CITIES AND OTHER AREAS AROUND THE
10:37:23AM STATE.
10:37:23AM AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE DONE THAT.
10:37:25AM ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR IS 120 DAYS TO DO A FULL REPORT.
10:37:30AM THE COUNTY CAME IN TODAY AND THEY SAY WITHIN 180 DAYS THEY
10:37:35AM CAN DO A FULL REPORT COUNTYWIDE THAT INCLUDES THE CITY.
10:37:38AM I THINK IT WOULD BE PRUDENT.
10:37:39AM THE TAMPA BAY TIMES EDITORIALIZED TO TAKE A BREATH.
10:37:44AM LET'S LOOK AT THE BEST OPTIONS.
10:37:46AM THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SEE ANY RELIEF FOR FOUR YEARS.
10:37:49AM WE HAVE OPTIONS THAT WE STUDIED IN THE LAST THREE DAYS THAT
10:37:52AM WILL PROVIDE IMMEDIATE RELIEF WITHIN A YEAR FOR THE PEOPLE
10:37:56AM LIVING THERE.
10:37:56AM AND PROVIDE THEM THE SAME OPTIONS AS IT WOULD BE DIGGING UP
10:38:03AM ALL OF HOWARD AVENUE OF THE THREE OPTIONS OUT THERE.
10:38:06AM THERE'S ALSO SWANN, MacDILL, THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS.
10:38:09AM SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING.
10:38:10AM 120 DAYS TO PROVIDE A FULL REPORT TO THE COUNCIL OF WHAT

10:38:15AM OTHER OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE THAT IS NOT HOWARD AVENUE.
10:38:19AM WE'RE ASKING, PLEASE, ALSO, TO PLEASE NOT APPROVE THIS
10:38:23AM PROJECT TODAY BECAUSE IT ONLY HAS ONE OPTION.
10:38:26AM AND THAT'S HOWARD.
10:38:27AM IF YOU APPROVE THIS, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE SAYING, OH, WE CAN
10:38:30AM CHANGE IT, WE CAN LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE.
10:38:32AM WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS, THE COUNCIL PEOPLE BEEN HERE THE
10:38:36AM LONGEST KNOW THAT.
10:38:37AM YOU KNOW THAT ONCE YOU APPROVE A PROJECT LIKE THIS, AND IT
10:38:40AM SAYS HOWARD AVENUE, IT'S HOWARD AVENUE.
10:38:42AM WE'RE JUST SAYING WE CAN DO ALL THE PROBLEMS, FIX ALL THE
10:38:45AM PROBLEMS WITHOUT GOING TO HOWARD AVENUE.
10:38:47AM THAT'S ALL WE WANTED TO SAY.
10:38:48AM THANK YOU.
10:38:48AM APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
10:38:49AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:38:50AM YES, MA'AM.
10:38:50AM NEXT SPEAKER.
10:38:52AM FOLLOWED BY TINA ADAMS AND ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.
10:38:58AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:39:00AM I AM NGUYENTHANGA VU.
10:39:02AM I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER.
10:39:06AM I HAVE A NAIL SALON ON SWANN.
10:39:08AM I'M HERE BECAUSE I AM -- THE SALON WAS DESTROYED BY THE
10:39:19AM FLOOD.

10:39:19AM I KNOW IT IS AN ONGOING PROBLEM BECAUSE THE SALON BUILDING
10:39:23AM ITSELF HAS BEEN DAMAGED TWICE IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.
10:39:28AM I BUILT THE SALON WITH SWEAT AND TEARS.
10:39:32AM I WANT TO CREATE SOMETHING BEAUTIFUL FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
10:39:35AM BUT EVERY YEAR THE FLOODING ISSUE BECOME WORSE AND WORSE.
10:39:41AM IT ONLY TAKE A BIG RAIN AND THE WATER WOULD COME CLOSE TO
10:39:44AM THE DOORS.
10:39:46AM SO I'M HERE ASKING YOU TO VOTE YES.
10:39:52AM THIS IS THE ONLY THING I HAVE.
10:39:54AM I'M A SINGLE MOM OF FIVE.
10:39:57AM SO, PLEASE HELP.
10:40:01AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:40:02AM TINA ADAMS.
10:40:07AM ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.
10:40:08AM SUSAN KULCZYCKI.
10:40:11AM GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
10:40:13AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:40:13AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:40:14AM I'M TINA ADAMS.
10:40:15AM CAN I WAIT UNTIL THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS RETURN?
10:40:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I THINK SHE'S WATCHING THE MEETING IN
10:40:22AM THE BACK.
10:40:23AM SHE HEARS EVERYTHING.
10:40:24AM THAT'S WHAT SHE TOLD ME.
10:40:26AM THE OTHER GENTLEMAN SHOULD BE POPPING IN MOMENTARILY.

10:40:28AM >> ALL RIGHT.
10:40:28AM I'LL GO AHEAD THEN.
10:40:29AM GOOD MORNING.
10:40:30AM MY NAME IS TINA ADAMS.
10:40:32AM AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, MY HOME FLOODED.
10:40:36AM YOU'VE SEEN PICTURES OF IT ON THE NEWS AND IN THE PAPER AND
10:40:40AM SOME OF YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO COME AND VISIT.
10:40:44AM IT IS GUTTED.
10:40:46AM I'VE BEEN SAD AND ANGRY ABOUT THE FLOODING CAUSED BY THE
10:40:50AM INADEQUATE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
10:40:53AM BUT I AM RESILIENT.
10:40:56AM I WAS RESILIENT DURING COVID, AND I SURVIVED JUST LIKE THE
10:41:00AM LOCAL BUSINESSES AND RESTAURANTS.
10:41:03AM BECAUSE AS A COMMUNITY, WE BANDED TOGETHER.
10:41:06AM WE SUPPORTED EACH OTHER.
10:41:10AM COMMUNITIES SHOULD DO THAT.
10:41:11AM THEY SHOULD HELP EACH OTHER.
10:41:13AM WE NEED HELP NOW.
10:41:14AM WE NEED HELP FROM SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
10:41:19AM TAMPA HAS GROWN, AND WE HAVE ALL BENEFITED.
10:41:25AM ALL THE BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE HAVE BENEFITED.
10:41:28AM WE HAVE NOT DONE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THERE EVEN
10:41:33AM THOUGH THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF BUILDING.
10:41:37AM IT'S TIME.
10:41:38AM WE'RE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE APPROVE THE DESIGN TODAY.

10:41:43AM PLEASE DO THAT.
10:41:44AM WE'VE HAD NINE YEARS OF STUDY.
10:41:46AM WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE ENGINEERS FROM MULTIPLE FIRMS, MULTIPLE
10:41:51AM CITY ENGINEERS ALL HAVE STUDIED THIS.
10:41:53AM WE HAVE VAULTS THAT ARE READY TO BE USED UNDER HOWARD
10:41:57AM AVENUE.
10:41:58AM THAT IS WHY THEY CHOSE HOWARD AVENUE.
10:42:04AM I LISTEN TO THE BUSINESSES ON HOWARD ON MONDAY NIGHT, AND
10:42:08AM THEY SAID THAT THE WIDER SIDEWALKS THAT WERE PROPOSED WOULD
10:42:11AM NOT WORK.
10:42:12AM I THINK WE SHOULD LISTEN TO EACH OTHER.
10:42:19AM THEY DON'T HAVE SUFFICIENT PARKING.
10:42:20AM THAT'S WHY A LOT OF THEIR PATRONS PARK WITHIN OUR
10:42:24AM NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:42:24AM AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
10:42:26AM THAT'S FINE.
10:42:26AM BUT MAYBE AS A PART OF THE SOLUTION THE EMPTY LOT ACROSS
10:42:32AM FROM DAILY EATS, THE CITY COULD BUILD A PARKING GARAGE THERE
10:42:37AM SIMILAR TO THE PARKING GARAGES IN HYDE PARK, IN DOWNTOWN AND
10:42:41AM IN YBOR TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT IS NEEDED, A PLACE FOR
10:42:47AM THEIR PATRONS TO PARK.
10:42:48AM WE NEED TO BE CREATIVE IN SOLUTIONS WITH OUR SOLUTIONS.
10:42:56AM BUT I WANT TO SAY I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THE SOUTH HOWARD
10:43:00AM AVENUE SHIRTS.
10:43:02AM I THINK WE CAN STOP THE FLOODING AND THE BUSINESSES CAN

10:43:06AM CONTINUE BECAUSE WE ARE RESILIENT.
10:43:08AM PLEASE DON'T HOLD THE PROJECT FOR 120 DAYS.
10:43:12AM THAT WILL PUT US RIGHT BACK IN THE RAINY SEASON.
10:43:15AM PLEASE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN NOW.
10:43:17AM THANK YOU.
10:43:18AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:43:18AM ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.
10:43:22AM SUSAN KULCZYCKI.
10:43:24AM ERIC POTTS.
10:43:26AM >> IS IT POSSIBLE THAT I WAIT FOR THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS
10:43:28AM TO COME BACK IN THE ROOM BEFORE I SPEAK?
10:43:31AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I DON'T KNOW -- THEY HEAR EVERYTHING IN
10:43:33AM THE BACK.
10:43:35AM >> WELL, IF THEY CAN HEAR ME RIGHT NOW, I REQUEST THAT THEY
10:43:38AM COME BACK INTO THE ROOM BECAUSE IT'S JUST -- YOU KNOW, IT'S
10:43:41AM REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME.
10:43:42AM IT'S MY HOME.
10:43:43AM IF THEY COULD COME BACK IN THE ROOM, THAT WOULD BE NICE.
10:43:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY.
10:43:48AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL, SHE MADE THE REQUEST, BUT THE
10:43:53AM QUESTION IS, YOU HAVE A QUORUM.
10:43:56AM THE MEETING IS RECORDED.
10:43:57AM IT IS BEING BROADCAST IN THE BACK.
10:44:01AM AND THE CLOCK IS RUNNING.
10:44:03AM BY THE WAY, IF THIS REQUEST IS MADE, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO

10:44:06AM HAVE TO NOT BE ABLE TO TAKE A BREAK UNLESS THERE IS A FULL
10:44:10AM COUNCIL.
10:44:10AM >> IT'S FINE IF THEY TAKE A BREAK.
10:44:13AM PERSONALLY --
10:44:14AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IT'S RECORDED AND IT IS AMPLIFIED IN THE
10:44:16AM BACK.
10:44:17AM GO AHEAD, MA'AM.
10:44:18AM >> OF COURSE, EVERYONE SHOULD TAKE A BREAK.
10:44:19AM YOU GUYS ARE TAKING IN A LOT.
10:44:21AM I REALIZE THAT.
10:44:21AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:44:22AM >> I'M ELIZABETH DINWIDDIE.
10:44:25AM I'M KNOWN TO YOU ALL AS LIZ ARCADU WHICH IS MY MARRIED NAME
10:44:30AM SO E-MAILS HAVE BEEN FROM THERE.
10:44:32AM I'M JUST HEARING SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE JUST SO UPSETTING.
10:44:39AM REALLY, ONE THING THAT'S SO SAD IS THAT NOT ONLY DID I LOSE
10:44:43AM MY HOME IN FLOODING, BUT I'M LOSING THE BUSINESSES ON HOWARD
10:44:49AM THAT I LOVE BECAUSE THEY ARE LOSING ME.
10:44:54AM RIGHT NOW.
10:44:54AM THE FACT THAT YOU WILL NOT TAKE ONE FOR THE TEAM, WHICH IS
10:45:00AM OUR COMMUNITY, YOU ARE NOT TAKING ONE FOR THE TEAM, YOU WILL
10:45:03AM HAVE YOUR BUSINESSES DISRUPTED FOR A MONTH OR TWO OR THREE
10:45:08AM MONTHS JUST RIGHT AROUND YOUR BUSINESS.
10:45:10AM BUT YOU HAVE SWANN UP HERE.
10:45:12AM YOU HAVE BAYSHORE HERE.

10:45:15AM YOU HAVE ALL THESE LITTLE STREETS.
10:45:17AM IF I'M COMING IN, YOU'RE GOING TO COME DOWN SWANN AND YOU'LL
10:45:21AM COME IN TILL YOU HIT THAT THING.
10:45:23AM YOU KNOW WHERE YOU'RE COMING ON BAYSHORE AND THEN COME UP
10:45:27AM TILL YOU HIT THAT THING.
10:45:28AM LOOKING AT A MONTH, TWO MONTHS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR
10:45:31AM BUSINESS, BUT YOU WANT ME TO SUFFER FOR YEARS.
10:45:36AM SO YOU'RE LOSING ME.
10:45:37AM I'M SO SAD.
10:45:38AM MR. COLLIER, I GO TO YOUR SPA --
10:45:41AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE ADDRESS THE COUNCIL, MA'AM.
10:45:43AM PLEASE ADDRESS US.
10:45:44AM >> OKAY.
10:45:44AM I APOLOGIZE.
10:45:46AM I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A RULE.
10:45:48AM I AM HEARING THE BUSINESSES THAT I LOVE AND ENJOY NOT CARE
10:45:55AM THAT MY HOUSE FLOODED, AND IT'S GOING TO FLOOD AGAIN.
10:46:00AM I'M HEARING THESE SAME BUSINESSES SAY OUR ENGINEERS ARE
10:46:06AM AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH.
10:46:08AM MR. BHIDE IS AMAZING.
10:46:10AM I AM SO IMPRESSED.
10:46:12AM YOU WANT TO STALL THIS PROJECT TO HAVE YOUR PERSONAL
10:46:15AM ENGINEERS BECAUSE OUR ENGINEERS AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH.
10:46:18AM I DISAGREE.
10:46:19AM I WILL GIVE MR. BHIDE MY HOUSE KEY AND ALARM CODE.

10:46:23AM THAT'S HOW MUCH I TRUST HIM.
10:46:25AM WE DON'T NEED TO KEEP STALLING THIS PROJECT.
10:46:27AM IT'S ABSURD.
10:46:28AM I ASK YOU TO VISUALIZE.
10:46:32AM YOU HAVE A CONTAINER.
10:46:35AM NOW THAT CONTAINER GOT BIGGER AND IT IS THE SIZE OF A
10:46:39AM FOOTBALL FIELD.
10:46:40AM NOW THAT CONTAINER GOT BIGGER AND IT IS THE SIZE OF 25
10:46:45AM FOOTBALL FIELDS.
10:46:47AM NOW THAT CONTAINER GOT FILLED UP WITH THREE FEET OF WATER.
10:46:52AM AND NOW YOU PUT ALL OF OUR HOUSES IN THAT CONTAINER OF
10:46:57AM WATER.
10:46:58AM THERE'S ONE WAY OUT, AND IT'S YOU GUYS.
10:47:02AM YOU GUYS ARE THE WAY OUT.
10:47:03AM WE NEED YOUR VOTE TODAY BECAUSE WITHOUT YOUR VOTE, WE HAVE
10:47:07AM NOWHERE FOR THAT WATER TO GO.
10:47:09AM WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO?
10:47:12AM KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT.
10:47:14AM THEY ARE PAYING LAWYERS TO STALL THIS PROJECT AND OUR HOMES
10:47:17AM ARE FLOODED AND THEY HAVE LOST ME.
10:47:19AM I'M GONE.
10:47:20AM I'M NO MORE MR. NICE GUY.
10:47:22AM I'M NOT GOING TO YOUR BUSINESSES ANYMORE.
10:47:25AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
10:47:25AM SUSAN KULCZYCKI, ERIC POTTS, JARROD DYER.

10:47:33AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:47:34AM MY NAME IS SUSAN KULCZYCKI.
10:47:36AM I LIVE ON SOUTH HABANA AVENUE IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
10:47:39AM I'M THE PROUD MOTHER OF A NINE-MONTH-OLD BABY BOY NAMED
10:47:43AM NOAH.
10:47:43AM SO WE HAVE BEEN THINKING A LOT ABOUT FLOODS.
10:47:46AM I AM A MILITARY SPOUSE AND I'M A WORKING MOM.
10:47:49AM LIKE MANY OTHERS HERE, THE ENTIRE FIRST FLOOR OF MY HOME
10:47:54AM FLOODED DURING HURRICANE MILTON.
10:47:56AM MY HUSBAND AND I BOTH WORK FULL-TIME JOBS TO AFFORD THIS
10:47:59AM TOWNHOME THAT WE PURCHASED.
10:48:01AM WE WERE SO PROUD TO BRING OUR BABY BOY HOME TO THIS HOUSE TO
10:48:05AM WALK HIM AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOODS, TO BRING HIM DOWN HOWARD
10:48:08AM AVENUE AND TO BRING HIM INTO HYDE PARK.
10:48:12AM HE'S TRIED IN HIS NINE AND A HALF MONTHS, GELATO AT AVA'S.
10:48:17AM DINNER AT GASTRO BAR.
10:48:20AM HE SPENT HIS FIRST FATHER'S DAY AT BERN'S.
10:48:24AM SOME PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE A HARD
10:48:27AM DECISION TODAY.
10:48:28AM I DON'T THINK THIS IS A HARD DECISION.
10:48:30AM YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO LOOK AT A DESIGN TO CONTINUE FORWARD
10:48:36AM WITH THIS PROJECT THAT'S BEEN ONGOING FOR YEARS AT THIS
10:48:40AM POINT IN STUDIES.
10:48:41AM YOUR ENGINEERS HAVE TOLD YOU THAT THE HOWARD AVENUE FLOOD
10:48:46AM PROJECT IS THE WAY FORWARD.

10:48:47AM YOUR EXPERTS HAVE GIVEN YOU A SOLUTION.
10:48:51AM BUILT INTO THAT SOLUTION IS MORE THAN A YEAR OF LOOKING AT
10:48:55AM ADDITIONAL DETAILS TO FIGURE OUT, TO FINALIZE A ROUTE, TO
10:48:59AM FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADDRESS ALL OF THE CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN
10:49:02AM BROUGHT UP TODAY.
10:49:03AM THESE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE SPOKEN AND THE ONES THAT HAVE NOT
10:49:08AM ALL DESERVE YOUR ASSISTANCE.
10:49:10AM THERE'S NO QUESTION.
10:49:11AM BUT THE HUNDREDS OF RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES THAT REMAIN
10:49:14AM CLOSED AND THAT WERE FLOODED DESERVE ADEQUATE CITY DRAINAGE.
10:49:18AM IT SHOULD NOT TAKE ANOTHER TEN YEARS.
10:49:21AM IT SHOULDN'T TAKE ANOTHER FIVE YEARS.
10:49:22AM YOU CAN'T START FROM SCRATCH WITH ANOTHER STUDY BECAUSE A
10:49:25AM FEW PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THE ONE THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.
10:49:28AM THE CITY ENGINEERS TOLD US THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN AWARE OF
10:49:35AM THE PROBLEM FOR MORE THAN A DECADE.
10:49:37AM I KNOW THAT ISN'T YOU PERSONALLY, BUT YOU ARE THE CITY NOW.
10:49:40AM WE LOOK TO YOU TO BRING A SOLUTION.
10:49:43AM WE TRUST THE CITY ENGINEERS AND WE HOPE YOU DO AS WELL.
10:49:48AM THE HOWARD AVENUE FLOOD RELIEF SOLUTION WILL TAKE FOUR
10:49:51AM YEARS, EASILY.
10:49:53AM MY HOUSE CAN EASILY FLOOD MULTIPLE TIMES DURING THAT PERIOD
10:49:57AM BEFORE THERE IS A SOLUTION.
10:49:59AM BUT THE MORE YOU AND OTHERS SUGGEST THAT WE NEED MORE TIME,
10:50:04AM THIS IS JUST COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.

10:50:07AM WE DON'T HAVE MORE TIME.
10:50:08AM THE TIME TO ACT IS NOW.
10:50:10AM PLEASE USE THIS SOLUTION.
10:50:13AM YOU HAVE THE BEST ONE BEFORE YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR EXPERTS.
10:50:17AM IT'S GREAT THAT NEW ENGINEERS HAVE ARRIVED TODAY WITH NEW
10:50:20AM SOLUTIONS.
10:50:21AM BUT WHERE HAVE THEY BEEN FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS?
10:50:24AM I'M SURE ANYONE CAN FIND SOME PART OF THE CURRENT SOLUTION
10:50:28AM TO PICK APART.
10:50:30AM WE'VE GOT A YEAR PLUS TO MAKE IT THE BEST WE CAN TO WORK
10:50:34AM WITH EVERYONE INVOLVED SO THAT WE CAN ALL LIVE TOGETHER.
10:50:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.
10:50:42AM SUSAN KULCZYCKI.
10:50:43AM I'M SORRY.
10:50:45AM ERIC POTTS.
10:50:47AM JARROD DYER.
10:50:50AM JASON MARLOW.
10:50:56AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:50:56AM MY NAME IS ERIC POTTS.
10:50:58AM I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER OF BELLA'S ITALIAN CAFE.
10:51:00AM I'VE BEEN WORKING THERE AND HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO WORK THERE
10:51:04AM THE LAST 35 YEARS.
10:51:05AM I LOOK AROUND THE ROOM AND I SEE MANY OF OUR REGULARS FROM
10:51:08AM PARKLAND ESTATES AND SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS.
10:51:12AM SORRY THAT YOU FEEL THAT WAY.

10:51:13AM I REALLY HAVE WORKED --
10:51:15AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE ADDRESS US.
10:51:16AM >> SORRY.
10:51:17AM I WORK VERY HARD TO GET THESE PEOPLE AND HAVE THEM AS LOYAL
10:51:21AM CUSTOMERS.
10:51:22AM I HAVE BEEN AT EVERY MEETING TO THIS POINT, BUT MANY
10:51:27AM QUESTIONS ARE LEFT UNANSWERED.
10:51:28AM I DO REQUEST THAT THE PROJECT BE PUT ON 120-DAY HOLD UNTIL
10:51:32AM THE CONCERNS AND IMPACTS HAVE ALL BEEN ADDRESSED.
10:51:35AM MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES RIDE THE CITY BUS OR RIDE SHARES SUCH
10:51:38AM AS UBER OR LYFT TO GET TO WORK.
10:51:42AM WILL THIS OPTION WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION BEGINS, WILL IT STILL
10:51:47AM BE THERE?
10:51:47AM I DON'T KNOW IF THE BUSES ARE GOING TO RUN.
10:51:51AM THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO GET TO WORK.
10:51:52AM ONLY WAY TO GET TO BELLA'S WOULD BE MacDILL TO ESTRELLA
10:51:56AM TO MISSISSIPPI.
10:51:56AM I DRIVE A PICKUP TRUCK.
10:51:58AM I CHALLENGE TO YOU DRIVE DOWN THAT STREET ANYTIME DURING THE
10:52:01AM DAY WITH ALL THE STREET PARKING.
10:52:03AM THE RESIDENTS PARK ON EACH SIDE AND YOU HAVE TO MANEUVER
10:52:06AM THROUGH THE STREET LIKE THIS.
10:52:07AM IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY HARD FOR OUR DELIVERIES.
10:52:10AM THERE ARE ALSO RIDDLED WITH POTHOLES.
10:52:16AM THERE'S ONE POTHOLE ON ESTRELLA THAT THEY PUT A TRAFFIC CONE

10:52:20AM IN AND THE POTHOLE HAS EATEN THE TRAFFIC CONE.
10:52:23AM IT IS NOW IN THE POTHOLE.
10:52:24AM YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IT.
10:52:26AM IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR MONTHS.
10:52:28AM BELLA'S HAS A -- ALONE HAS OVER 150 DELIVERIES A MONTH.
10:52:35AM MOST OF THEM 18-WHEELERS NOT TO MENTION AMAZON AND UPS WHO
10:52:39AM DELIVER SOMETIMES TWICE A DAY.
10:52:42AM THIS WILL GET CRAZY.
10:52:43AM MOST OF OUR EMPLOYEES, THEY LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.
10:52:46AM THEY HAVE NO DISPOSABLE INCOME OR SAVINGS TO MAKE IT THROUGH
10:52:50AM A FOUR TO SIX WEEK STOPPAGE OF WORK.
10:52:54AM SOME EMPLOYEES WORK AT OUR PLACE AS WELL AS AT BERN'S STEAK
10:52:58AM HOUSE.
10:53:00AM THEY HAVE TWO JOBS TO MAKE A LIVING.
10:53:01AM THEY'LL LOSE BOTH OF THEM IT'S SO CLOSE.
10:53:04AM THERE HAS TO BE MORE OPTIONS THAT KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING.
10:53:09AM THESE EMPLOYEES WILL GET NEW JOBS BECAUSE THEY JUST NEED TO
10:53:12AM MAKE A LIVING.
10:53:13AM THEY HAVE TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILIES.
10:53:15AM SO WE APPRECIATE THAT.
10:53:17AM OTHER ITEMS THAT I NOTICED THROUGH ALL THE MEETINGS, WILL
10:53:21AM THE NATURAL GAS LINES BE AFFECTED?
10:53:24AM WITHOUT THEM, I CAN'T COOK.
10:53:27AM WE CAN'T PRODUCE ANYTHING WITHOUT NATURAL GAS.
10:53:29AM IF WE HAVE WATER LINES THAT ARE BROKE OR ANYTHING, WE'LL BE

10:53:32AM SHUT DOWN, HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
10:53:34AM WE CAN'T OPERATE WITHOUT WATER.
10:53:36AM OTHER ITEMS IN QUESTION THAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT, THE ECONOMIC
10:53:40AM IMPACT STUDY, NEVER DONE.
10:53:44AM HOW DO WE GET AWAY WITH THAT?
10:53:45AM I DON'T KNOW.
10:53:46AM IS THERE MONEY IN THE BUDGET TO COVER THE BEAUTIFICATION OF
10:53:49AM SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE AFTERWARDS?
10:53:51AM WITH ALL THE LIGHTS, THE STREETLIGHTS, THE TRASH CONTAINERS,
10:53:56AM EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, THE BUS STOPS.
10:53:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
10:54:00AM >> THANK YOU.
10:54:00AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JARROD DYER.
10:54:03AM JASON MARLOW.
10:54:05AM ROB KELLY.
10:54:06AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
10:54:07AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
10:54:08AM >> GOOD MORNING.
10:54:08AM MY NAME IS JARROD DYER.
10:54:12AM I'M ONE OF THE SECOND GENERATION OWNERS OF BELLA'S ITALIAN
10:54:16AM CAFE ON SOUTH HOWARD.
10:54:17AM DURING THE AFTERNOON COUNCIL SESSION ON NOVEMBER 7, COUNCIL
10:54:21AM MEMBER HURTAK TALKED ABOUT HOW BADLY THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE
10:54:24AM HEIGHTS PROJECT AFFECTED THE BUSINESSES WITH MANY NOT
10:54:28AM SURVIVING.

10:54:30AM THAT WAS IN AN AREA WITH A FAIRLY STANDARD STREET GRID AND
10:54:34AM ALTERNATE ROUTES FOR VENDORS AND CUSTOMERS TO REACH THE
10:54:37AM BUSINESSES WHICH IS A SITUATION COMPLETELY UNLIKE SOUTH
10:54:39AM HOWARD AVENUE AND PEOPLE STILL LOST THEIR BUSINESSES.
10:54:44AM WE WERE CLOSED FOR EIGHT AND A HALF DAYS IN OCTOBER DUE TO
10:54:47AM HURRICANE MILTON.
10:54:48AM OVER THE COURSE OF THE REST OF THAT MONTH, WE HAD DELIVERIES
10:54:51AM CARRIED BY SEVEN SMALL BOX TRUCKS, 83 MEDIUM SIZE BOX TRUCKS
10:54:55AM AND 32 18-WHEELERS.
10:54:57AM 122 TRUCKS OVER 23 DAYS JUST TO OUR RESTAURANT.
10:55:01AM IT IS COMPLETELY IMPRACTICAL TO DIRECT THAT VOLUME OF
10:55:04AM COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC TO RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND WHERE WILL THE
10:55:07AM RESIDENTS BE FORCED TO PARK SO DELIVERY TRUCKS CAN GET DOWN
10:55:10AM THE NARROW STREETS?
10:55:11AM IT IS EVEN MORE IMPRACTICAL TO SUGGEST AS MOBILITY AND
10:55:14AM KIMMINS HAVE THAT DELIVERIES CAN BE COMPLETED WITH GOLF
10:55:16AM CARTS.
10:55:17AM HOW BIG OF A FLEET OF GOLF CARTS AND DRIVERS WOULD BE
10:55:19AM REQUIRED TO DO THAT?
10:55:20AM WHERE DO THE TRUCKS MEET THE GOLF CARTS?
10:55:22AM LARGEST PARKING LOT I CAN THINK OF IN THE AREA IS PALMA
10:55:25AM CEIA, IS THE CITY GOING TO COMMANDEER THE LOT AS A DELIVERY
10:55:30AM TRUCK STAGING AREA?
10:55:31AM NO DENYING SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO HELP THE
10:55:34AM NEIGHBORHOODS FLOODING AND SOHO BUSINESSES AREN'T TRYING TO

10:55:36AM KILL THE PROJECT.
10:55:37AM WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP IT FROM KILLING US.
10:55:39AM THERE'S BEEN A SUGGESTION FROM THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT THAT
10:55:41AM SINCE THIS IS A WATER SEWAGE PROJECT, AN ECONOMIC IMPACT
10:55:45AM STUDY IS REQUIRED.
10:55:46AM BUT GIVEN THE SIZE OF THE BUDGET, THE NUMBER OF YEARS IT
10:55:49AM WILL TAKE TO COMPLETE AND THE EXTENSIVE AND EXTENDED
10:55:52AM DISRUPTION IT WILL CAUSE TO ALL OF THE BUSINESSES AND
10:55:54AM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS, WOULDN'T IT BE PRUDENT FOR THE
10:55:56AM CITY COUNCIL TO REQUIRE A STUDY BE DONE WHETHER IT'S
10:55:59AM REQUIRED BY LAW OR NOT?
10:56:01AM OTHERWISE YOU'RE MAKING A DECISION WITHOUT HAVING REALLY
10:56:03AM PERTINENT INFORMATION.
10:56:05AM WHAT ABOUT A TRANSPORTATION STUDY?
10:56:06AM WHAT ARE THE FIRST RESPONDER AGENCIES HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE
10:56:09AM PLANS TO DISRUPT A MAJOR ARTERY FOR THREE TO FOUR YEARS?
10:56:12AM DO POLICE AND TAMPA FIRE RESCUE KNOW HOW SEVERELY ACCESS
10:56:16AM WILL BE IMPEDED?
10:56:17AM WHAT ABOUT SOLID WASTE?
10:56:17AM HAS COUNCIL RECEIVED INPUT FROM ANY OF THESE AGENCIES?
10:56:21AM WE'RE ASKING FOR 120-DAY STAY ON ANY VOTE DURING WHICH TIME
10:56:25AM THOSE STUDIES COULD BE DONE AND THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY
10:56:28AM INVESTIGATION COULD BE DONE.
10:56:29AM IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE AS HE SAID IN THE PRESENTATION
10:56:34AM EARLIER TO DO THAT AND COMBINE IT ALL TOGETHER BEFORE YOU

10:56:37AM START DEVOTING $7 MILLION EVEN TO THE DESIGN AT THIS POINT.
10:56:40AM DURING THAT TIME, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT DeLOACH, TO
10:56:46AM EVALUATE SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVE ROUTES THAT WERE IN THE J
10:56:48AM AND T REPORT BUT ULTIMATELY DISCARDED.
10:56:51AM FINALLY, AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING THIS PAST MONDAY, CITY
10:56:54AM ENGINEER JEFF DeBOSIER MADE A COMMENT DURING HURRICANES
10:56:59AM HELENE AND MILTON, QUOTE, NEARLY EVERY STREET IN TAMPA
10:57:02AM FLOODED.
10:57:02AM WHAT STREET DIDN'T FLOOD?
10:57:03AM SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE.
10:57:04AM YOU VOTE TO ADVANCE THE PROJECT IN CURRENT FORM, YOU SHOULD
10:57:07AM ALSO REQUIRE TO BE RENAMED TO REFLECT TRUE LEGACY, WHICH
10:57:10AM WOULD BE THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS DEVASTATION PROJECT.
10:57:13AM THANK YOU.
10:57:13AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: JASON MARLOW IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER
10:57:16AM FOLLOWED BY ROB KELLY AND MARILYN SAMAHA.
10:57:20AM >> JASON MARLOW.
10:57:24AM I'LL BE EXTREMELY BLUNT.
10:57:25AM I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN HOW INCAPABLE CITY CONTRACTORS CAN BE
10:57:28AM AT INSTALLING A BOX CULVERT PROPOSED IN THE SOUTH HOWARD
10:57:32AM PROJECT AS I WATCHED IT DONE FROM MY FRONT PORCH ABOUT A
10:57:35AM YEAR.
10:57:35AM PERSONALLY HAD VIOLENT SO VIOLENT IT SHOOK HEAVY OBJECTS OFF
10:57:39AM MY WALL, DAMAGED MY HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD HOME AND DIMINISHED MY
10:57:42AM QUALITY OF LIFE ALL TO COMPLETE A 150-FOOT SECTION OF ROAD.

10:57:46AM I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THIS.
10:57:48AM THE MISTRUST FROM TAMPA CITIZENS AND BUSINESSES REGARDING
10:57:50AM THE CITY'S CAPACITY TO CONDUCT CONSTRUCTION IN THE
10:57:53AM COLLABORATIVE AND EFFICIENT MANNER IS NOT MISPLACED.
10:57:56AM ASK CASS STREET DELI, SMOKE SIGNALS, OR KING STATE HOW MUCH
10:58:01AM THE CITY OF TAMPA CARES ABOUT HELPING THE SMALL BUSINESSES
10:58:05AM SURVIVE.
10:58:05AM UNFORTUNATELY YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THE BUSINESSES DON'T EXIST
10:58:08AM ANYMORE.
10:58:09AM NOT MANY BUSINESSES CAN AFFORD MULTIPLE MONTHS OF INCOME
10:58:13AM REDUCTION AND THESE BUSINESSES ARE SUPPORTED BY EMPLOYEES
10:58:16AM THAT CAN'T FOREGO MONTHS' WORTH OF INCOME.
10:58:19AM IF THERE IS A PERCEPTION, WHICH THERE IS, THAT THIS
10:58:23AM ADMINISTRATION SIMPLY DOES NOT CARE.
10:58:25AM LASTLY, I'LL SAY YOU HEARD FROM THE FINE FOLKS AT
10:58:27AM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THAT WE ARE A FEW MONTHS AWAY FROM A
10:58:29AM ROBUST, INDEPENDENT STUDY ON LOCAL FLOODING.
10:58:32AM IT WOULD SEEM TO BE PRESUMPTUOUS PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE
10:58:37AM HORSE TO COMMIT TO A MAJOR FINANCIAL INVESTMENT PRIOR TO A
10:58:39AM MORE THOROUGH EXAMINATION OF THE ISSUES AT HAND.
10:58:41AM I POLITELY ASK THIS COUNCIL BARE MINIMUM ALLOW MORE PUBLIC
10:58:47AM ENGAGEMENT INPUT ON THE PROJECT AND ALLOW CITY STAFF DO
10:58:50AM THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
10:58:51AM COUNCIL SHOULD BE PROVIDED IN SHORT ORDER WITH AN
10:58:53AM OPPORTUNITY TO BE PRESENTED ALTERNATIVES THAT CAN BE BOTH

10:58:56AM LESS COSTLY AND LESS INTRUSIVE.
10:59:00AM ALLOWING THIS BODY TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION POSSIBLE IN THE
10:59:04AM CITY'S BEST INTEREST.
10:59:06AM HAVE A WONDERFUL THURSDAY.
10:59:06AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALWAYS A WONDERFUL THURSDAY.
10:59:08AM THANK YOU.
10:59:09AM KELLY, SAMAHA, PER RELY.
10:59:12AM >> GOOD MORNING, ROB KELLY.
10:59:14AM 2603 WEST FOUNTAIN BOULEVARD.
10:59:18AM LIVED THERE OVER 30 YEARS.
10:59:20AM FIRST MOVED TO PARKLAND ESTATES IN 1986.
10:59:22AM SWANN HOWARD INTERSECTION CHANGED IN THE 40-YEAR PERIOD OF
10:59:32AM TIME.
10:59:33AM MY HOUSE FLOODED AS A RESULT OF MILTON.
10:59:35AM FOUR INCHES OF WATER IN THE FIRST FLOOR OF THE 100-YEAR-OLD
10:59:39AM HOUSE.
10:59:39AM TWO AND A HALF FEET OF WATER IN THE GARAGE.
10:59:41AM MY PROPERTY RUNS FROM FOUNTAIN TO THE SOUTH ALL THE WAY
10:59:44AM THROUGH TO SWANN.
10:59:45AM I'M ONE HOUSE WEST OF THE FOUNTAIN AUDUBON INTERSECTION,
10:59:50AM WHICH IS GROUND ZERO FOR THE FLOODING.
10:59:52AM HEARD ABOUT EXTENSIVELY.
10:59:56AM THE WORLD REALLY CHANGED FOR US IN PARKLAND ESTATES ABOUT
11:00:01AM NINE YEARS AGO, 2015, WE HAD A NORMAL AUGUST.
11:00:05AM HEAVY SATURDAY RAIN THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME BROUGHT THE

11:00:09AM WATER UP MY DRIVEWAY, INTO MY GARAGE AND THROUGH THE BACK
11:00:14AM INTO SWANN.
11:00:15AM SINCE THEN THAT HAS BECOME UNFORTUNATELY A FAIRLY REGULAR
11:00:22AM EVENT IN THE LIVES OF THOSE OF US WHO LIVE AROUND FOUNTAIN
11:00:25AM PARK.
11:00:26AM YOU'VE SEEN THE PICTURES.
11:00:28AM THIS ISN'T SO MUCH ABOUT A 250 OR 500-YEAR FLOOD EVENT
11:00:35AM SOLUTION AS IT IS A TYPICAL JUNE AFTERNOON RAIN SHOWER EVENT
11:00:41AM LIKE THE ONE THAT HAPPENED FOUR YEARS AGO AND MY SON'S CAR
11:00:45AM PARKED ON THE STREET WAS TOTALED BECAUSE THE STREET FLOODED.
11:00:50AM YOU'VE HEARD THAT WE'VE HAD TEN EVENTS THIS PAST SUMMER.
11:00:53AM NOT ONLY DID FOUNTAIN FLOOD, BUT THE PARK FLOODED.
11:00:57AM WHEN THAT PARK FLOODS, IT'S LIKE A LAKE.
11:01:00AM I LOOK OUT MY FRONT DOOR ACROSS THE PARK TO THOSE PEOPLE IN
11:01:04AM PARKLAND BOULEVARD, ALL YOU SEE IS WATER.
11:01:07AM IT'S INCREDIBLE.
11:01:08AM SAW THE PICTURES DAVID ADAMS PRESENTED THEM.
11:01:10AM THE BASIC CIVIC CONTRACT THAT I PAY TAXES AND I VOTE.
11:01:17AM AND THE RECIPROCAL OF THAT IS I EXPECT THE CITY TO PROTECT
11:01:21AM MY HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE BY MAKING SURE THESE
11:01:25AM PREDICTABLE, REGULAR RECURRING FLOOD EVENTS ARE ENDED.
11:01:29AM THE BALL IS ON THE GOAL LINE.
11:01:32AM YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE
11:01:35AM FUNDING FOR THIS DESIGN-BUILD PLAN.
11:01:39AM I URGE YOU TO DO SO.

11:01:40AM THANK YOU.
11:01:40AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, MR. KELLY.
11:01:42AM MARILYN SAMAHA.
11:01:43AM YVONNE FERRELLI.
11:01:45AM JEANETTE HICKIN.
11:01:48AM >> MARILYN SAMAHA.
11:01:49AM PARKLAND ESTATES CIVIC PARK BOARD.
11:01:53AM I WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS MY CONCERN REGARDING THE MOBILITY
11:01:55AM CITY'S COMMUNITY OUTREACH EFFORTS FOR THIS PROJECT.
11:01:58AM THE MEETING HELD ON NOVEMBER 18 WAS THE FIRST INSTANT THAT
11:02:04AM OUR ENTIRE PARKLAND ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD WAS INVITED AND/OR
11:02:09AM NOTIFIED OF SUCH OUTREACH IN EIGHT MONTHS.
11:02:12AM THE FIRST TIME.
11:02:12AM I BELIEVE THAT MORE TRANSPARENCY, OPEN AND HONEST
11:02:17AM COMMUNICATION WITH THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IS NECESSARY FOR A
11:02:22AM PROJECT OF THIS SCALE AND STRONGLY URGE DELAYING THIS VOTE
11:02:26AM FOR 120 DAYS SO ALL STAKEHOLDERS HAVE A PLAN THAT IS CLEARLY
11:02:32AM PROVIDED FROM THE CITY.
11:02:34AM THERE ARE OTHER SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE PROPOSED
11:02:37AM STORMWATER PROJECT.
11:02:39AM IN ITS CURRENT FORM, IT FAILS TO ADDRESS SIGNIFICANT
11:02:43AM FLOODING CONDITIONS THAT ARE CAUSED BY MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF
11:02:47AM WATER FLOWING FROM KENNEDY BOULEVARD DOWN THROUGH HABANA,
11:02:50AM ARMENIA, AUDUBON, SWANN, AND MEMORIAL HOSPITAL INTO PARKLAND
11:02:56AM ESTATES.

11:02:57AM FURTHERMORE, THE PROJECT DOES NOT ADDRESS THE EXISTING
11:03:00AM RETENTION PONDS, HOSPITAL'S PARKING LOT, TWO ADDITIONAL
11:03:06AM RETENTION PONDS IN THE SAME AREA OR THE SURFACE WATER
11:03:10AM FLOWING TO THE BAY, ULTIMATELY ENDING UP AT THE AUDUBON AND
11:03:14AM SWANN INTERSECTION.
11:03:15AM IT IS BAFFLING WHY THIS CRITICAL LOCATION HAS BEEN EXCLUDED
11:03:23AM FROM THE PROJECT.
11:03:25AM IT IS NOT IN THE PROJECT AT ALL.
11:03:27AM I URGE YOU TO CAREFULLY CONSIDER THE STRATEGIC IMPORTANCE OF
11:03:32AM THE AUDUBON AND SWANN INTERSECTION BECAUSE THIS SERVES AS
11:03:37AM THE DRAIN FOR THIS ENTIRE STORMWATER BASIN.
11:03:39AM I STRONGLY URGE YOU TO VOTE NO ON THIS PROJECT UNTIL THESE
11:03:44AM CONCERNS ARE ANSWERED AND ANALYZED.
11:03:46AM THE PARKLAND ESTATES CIVIC CLUB STRONGLY ADVOCATES FOR
11:03:50AM KEEPING BOX CULVERTS OUT OF PARKLAND ESTATES AND PLACING
11:03:53AM THEM ON SWANN AVENUE AS A CONSIDERATION.
11:03:57AM OUR PRIMARY CONCERN IS FLOOD RELIEF AND WE BELIEVE THAT
11:04:01AM POSITIONING THE CULVERTS ON SWANN IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE
11:04:05AM SOLUTION TO ADDRESSING ALL OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND ALL OF
11:04:08AM THE BUSINESSES.
11:04:10AM SWANN AVENUE IS STRATEGICALLY POSITIONED TO CAPTURE THE
11:04:13AM MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF WATER FLOWING FROM THE NORTHERN AREAS.
11:04:18AM WE URGE YOU TO CONSIDER OUR POSITION AND SUPPORT OUR
11:04:22AM EFFORTS.
11:04:23AM MAKE SURE THAT YOU ASK KIMMINS AND DELAY THIS PROJECT FOR

11:04:27AM 120 DAYS SO WE CAN GET SOME ANSWERS.
11:04:30AM THANK YOU.
11:04:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:04:32AM YVONNE FERRELLI.
11:04:34AM YVONNE FERRELLI.
11:04:39AM JEANETTE HICKIN.
11:04:42AM KEVIN LEVONAS.
11:04:44AM >> GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
11:04:46AM YVONNE FERRELLI.
11:04:48AM I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
11:04:50AM I'M A MEMBER OF THE HISTORIC PARKLAND ESTATES PRESERVATION
11:04:53AM SOCIETY.
11:04:54AM THIS PROJECT HAS COMPLETELY DIVIDED MY COMMUNITY, NEIGHBOR
11:05:00AM AGAINST NEIGHBOR.
11:05:02AM DIDN'T NEED TO BE THAT WAY.
11:05:04AM I WOULD SAY THAT THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY HAS
11:05:09AM CREATED THIS.
11:05:12AM I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT JUNE 20th.
11:05:16AM YOU HAD A MOTION THAT WAS UNANIMOUSLY VOTED UPON BY EACH OF
11:05:21AM YOU, AND YOU VOTED TO REQUEST THE CITY MOBILITY DEPARTMENT
11:05:27AM TO COME BEFORE YOU WITH AN ALTERNATIVE FROM PUTTING BOX
11:05:32AM CULVERTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:05:34AM AND THAT COMMUNITY IS STILL IN THE SAME POSTURE IT WAS WHEN
11:05:40AM YOU HAD THIS MOTION AND APPROVED IT.
11:05:43AM WE HAVE NOT MOVED FORWARD AT ALL.

11:05:46AM VIK BHIDE AND THAT MOBILITY DEPARTMENT AND THE MAYOR'S
11:05:52AM OFFICE HAVE DUG DOWN.
11:05:55AM THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN YOU ANY KIND OF RECOURSE OR ANY TYPE OF
11:06:00AM HOPE THAT THEY WILL FIND SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF PARKLAND
11:06:03AM ESTATES OTHER THAN THOSE BOX CULVERTS.
11:06:07AM AND THAT'S UNFORTUNATE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY.
11:06:10AM I WOULD ASK YOU TO VOTE NO TODAY.
11:06:14AM THERE IS PLENTY OF EVIDENCE WHY YOU SHOULD.
11:06:17AM I WOULD ALSO ASK YOU TO ENFORCE THIS MOTION THAT YOU
11:06:23AM UNANIMOUSLY VOTED ON, NOT TO VOTE ON ANYTHING RELATED TO
11:06:28AM THIS SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD MITIGATION, WHICH IS TODAY BEFORE
11:06:32AM YOU, VOTE NO.
11:06:33AM AND DO NOT FUND IT UNTIL YOU HAVE A BETTER PERSPECTIVE OF
11:06:39AM WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE FLOODING AND WITH ALL OF US IN THE
11:06:43AM COMMUNITY.
11:06:44AM THANK YOU.
11:06:44AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:06:46AM JEANETTE HICKIN.
11:06:48AM KEVIN LEVONAS.
11:06:50AM MARK ABDONEY.
11:06:54AM >> GOOD DAY.
11:06:55AM MY NAME IS JEANETTE HICKIN.
11:06:59AM I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
11:07:00AM I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK THAT YOU RESPECTFULLY CONSIDER LOOKING
11:07:03AM INTO AN ALTERNATIVE ROUTE TO THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF

11:07:07AM PROGRAM.
11:07:07AM WE ALL APPRECIATE HOW DISTRESSING FLOODING IS, HIGHLIGHTED
11:07:13AM BY THE RECENT HURRICANES HELENE AND MILTON.
11:07:16AM BUT TO DESTROY OUR HISTORIC STREETS AND RESIDENTIAL
11:07:20AM PROPERTIES SEEMS CRUELLY UNFAIR.
11:07:23AM AT MONDAY'S MEETING WITH THE PANEL OF ENGINEERS, IT BECAME
11:07:27AM CLEAR THAT THEY WERE NOT VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE CONCERNING THE
11:07:30AM ROUTE THAT WAS UNDER DISCUSSION.
11:07:33AM THE PROJECT MANAGER CLEARLY STATED THAT WATER FLOW IS
11:07:38AM RESTRICTED BY BENDS, YET THE CITY -- COULD BE A POTENTIAL OF
11:07:45AM SEVEN BENDS, INCLUDING TWO AT 90 DEGREES AND ONE JUST UNDER
11:07:49AM 90 DEGREES ON TWO OF THE ROUTES HIGHLIGHTED.
11:07:52AM ALSO, IT SEEMS INCOMPREHENSIBLE THAT ANY -- THAT AN ECONOMIC
11:08:00AM IMPACT STUDY HAS NOT BEEN DONE TO ALL OF THESE PLANS.
11:08:04AM I IMPLORE YOU TO CONSIDER MORE THOROUGHLY THE PROPOSALS
11:08:09AM CURRENTLY ON THE TABLE AND COME UP WITH A ROUTE THAT WILL
11:08:12AM CAUSE LESS DISTRESS TO ALL THOSE WHO WILL BE AFFECTED
11:08:16AM FOREVER.
11:08:16AM JUST LISTENING TO THE GENTLEMAN TALKING ON THE COUNTY, WHY
11:08:22AM AREN'T WE WAITING FOR THE COUNTY TO TELL US BECAUSE THE
11:08:25AM FLOODING APPARENTLY COMES FROM NORTH OF US, NOT INTO
11:08:30AM PARKLAND INITIALLY, BUT NORTH OF US.
11:08:32AM SO PERHAPS THE COUNTY PLAN WILL INCORPORATE ALL THIS AND
11:08:36AM WE'LL ALL BE IN THE SAME BOAT TOGETHER AND HOPEFULLY HAVE A
11:08:42AM HAPPY CONCLUSION.

11:08:43AM THANK YOU.
11:08:46AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: KEVIN LEVONAS.
11:08:50AM >> KEVIN LEVONAS.
11:08:51AM PALMA CEIA PINES.
11:08:53AM I SUPPORT THE SOUTH HOWARD RELIEF PROJECT.
11:08:55AM I'M A FOUNDER AND EXECUTIVE OF THE SOFTWARE COMPANY.
11:08:58AM HUNDRED EMPLOYEES, HALF A DOZEN IN TAMPA.
11:09:00AM I OWN TWO PROPERTIES IN WEST TAMPA.
11:09:01AM I AM A PROACTIVE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.
11:09:03AM MY WIFE WENT TO USF AND WHEN COVID HIT WE PURCHASED A
11:09:07AM BRAND-NEW HOME IN ARRAWANA JULY 17, 2020.
11:09:11AM WE MOVED HERE BECAUSE TAMPA MADE THE RIGHT DECISIONS WHEN
11:09:14AM FACED WITH ADVERSITY.
11:09:15AM THANK YOU.
11:09:16AM THIS IS YOUR TIME TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AND THE
11:09:19AM DECISION TO MOVE FORWARD EXPEDITIOUSLY.
11:09:22AM THIS ONE DECISION WILL AFFECT YOUR REELECTION.
11:09:24AM I'LL BE CLEAR.
11:09:25AM YOU VOTE YES TODAY, YOU HAVE EARNED MY VOTE.
11:09:28AM IF YOU FAIL THE VOTERS, BUSINESS OWNERS, RESIDENTS OF
11:09:31AM PARKLAND ESTATES, PALMA CEIA PINES, YOU'LL NOT HAVE OUR VOTE
11:09:35AM BUT HAVE GAINED OUR RESENTMENT.
11:09:37AM CARLSON, I WAS AT THE STOVALL HURRICANE EVENT.
11:09:41AM I WAS EXCITED TO MEET YOU.
11:09:43AM YOU WERE NOT THERE.

11:09:44AM I KNOW WHERE YOU STAND.
11:09:45AM MIRANDA, YOU WERE AT THE BAPTIST CHURCH EVENT.
11:09:50AM EVERY TIME IT RAINS, IT WILL REMIND US HOW YOU GUYS VOTED
11:09:53AM AND HOW WE WILL VOTE.
11:09:55AM HUNDRED PERCENT.
11:09:55AM YOU HAVE SMART PEOPLE WHO HAVE OUTLINED A GREAT
11:09:58AM COMPREHENSIVE PROJECT TO MEDIATE THE FLOODING.
11:10:00AM IT'S NOT PERFECT.
11:10:00AM IT'S DEFINITELY NOT PERFECT FOR ME.
11:10:02AM I LIVE ON ARRAWANA, FOR MY FAMILY, BUT IT WORKS.
11:10:05AM HERE ARE THE FACTS.
11:10:06AM 146 HOMES WERE FLOODED IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
11:10:09AM 41 HOMES FLOODED.
11:10:10AM ONE CHURCH IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
11:10:12AM 56 BUSINESSES WERE FLOODED, APPROXIMATELY 18 WERE DOCTORS'
11:10:16AM OFFICES.
11:10:16AM LASTLY, ATTENDED THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING AT THE
11:10:19AM CALVARY BAPTIST CHURCH THIS WEEK.
11:10:21AM THE HIGHLIGHT OF THE MEETING FOR ME IT WAS HIJACKED BY JOE
11:10:24AM COLLIER, DAVID LAXER.
11:10:25AM THEY STOOD UP AND TALKED ABOUT THEIR $40 MILLION WINE CELLAR
11:10:28AM AND HOW IT WOULD BE INTERRUPTED.
11:10:30AM THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MOMENT VERSUS THE REST OF THE
11:10:33AM COMMUNITY THAT GOT FLOODED.
11:10:35AM THE DIALOGUE AROUND THIS WINE CELLAR WAS BAD.

11:10:39AM THIS IS EVIDENCE OF A SELFISH, DANGEROUS, AND DISINGENUOUS
11:10:43AM PERSPECTIVE.
11:10:44AM MANIPULATION IS PRETTY CLEAR.
11:10:45AM THERE IS NO NEED TO DELAY THE CONSTRUCTION ANYMORE.
11:10:48AM DUE DILIGENCE HAS BEEN DONE.
11:10:50AM WE CONSIDERED ALL THE OTHER OPTIONS.
11:10:51AM WE DON'T NEED TO PAUSE.
11:10:53AM IT'S BEEN NINE YEARS.
11:10:54AM YOU DON'T MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.
11:10:57AM YOU MAKE THE DECISION RIGHT.
11:10:58AM APPROVE THE SOUTH HOWARD RELIEF PROJECT, AND LET'S GET THIS
11:11:00AM SHOW ON THE ROAD.
11:11:01AM THANK YOU.
11:11:03AM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. CHAIR?
11:11:04AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO, NO.
11:11:04AM >>BILL CARLSON: WE BROKE THE RULE BY ALLOWING SOMEBODY TO
11:11:08AM MENTION US.
11:11:09AM I FEEL IT'S --
11:11:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
11:11:12AM TAKE IT OUTSIDE.
11:11:16AM >>BILL CARLSON: I'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN FLOOD RELIEF,
11:11:18AM INCLUDING --
11:11:19AM >> NO.
11:11:20AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
11:11:21AM >>BILL CARLSON: I CAN SPEAK WHENEVER I WANT.

11:11:23AM >> NEXT SPEAKER.
11:11:23AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
11:11:25AM >>BILL CARLSON: I NEVER SAID I WAS GOING TO THAT EVENT.
11:11:27AM I SAID I WAS AVAILABLE FOR INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS.
11:11:30AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ENOUGH.
11:11:31AM ENOUGH.
11:11:31AM SIR, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER.
11:11:35AM >>BILL CARLSON: -- FEMA, DONE MANY, MANY FORUMS --
11:11:38AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SIR, JUST STOP.
11:11:39AM WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH THIS.
11:11:40AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:11:41AM >>BILL CARLSON: WHOEVER IS -- THE ADMINISTRATION CREATING
11:11:45AM THIS DIVISIVENESS IS UNBELIEVABLE.
11:11:47AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
11:11:48AM >>BILL CARLSON: THIS IS THE WORST ISSUE WE'VE EVER DEALT
11:11:50AM WITH.
11:11:50AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
11:11:51AM NEXT SPEAKER.
11:11:51AM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU ALLOWED SOMEONE TO BREAK THE RULES.
11:11:56AM >> YOU ARE SO DISRESPECTFUL.
11:11:57AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: STOP.
11:11:58AM ENOUGH.
11:11:59AM I'LL RULE PEOPLE OUT OF ORDER.
11:12:00AM STOP.
11:12:01AM ENOUGH.

11:12:02AM SIR, DR. ABDONEY, YOU ARE THE NEXT SPEAKER.
11:12:06AM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:12:08AM >> WHOO!
11:12:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU.
11:12:11AM YOU LOOK TOO YOUNG.
11:12:12AM I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE GENTLEMAN THAT PUT THE BRACES ON
11:12:14AM MY TEETH WHEN I WAS 13 YEARS OLD.
11:12:16AM >> THAT WAS MY DAD.
11:12:22AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:12:23AM >> DR. MARK ABDONEY.
11:12:27AM I AM A LIFETIME TAMPA RESIDENT.
11:12:29AM I AM BOTH A BUSINESS OWNER IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
11:12:33AM MY BUSINESS IS ABDONEY PERIODONTICS ON WEST AZEELE STREET.
11:12:41AM ALSO A HOMEOWNER IN PALMA CEIA PINES.
11:12:44AM OWN THE RESIDENCE NEXT DOOR, 406 SOUTH HABANA AVENUE.
11:12:48AM THIS IS NOW THE SECOND FLOOD EVENT THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE
11:12:50AM LAST NINE YEARS.
11:12:53AM FIRST IN 2015 AND THEN THIS LAST ONE WITH MILTON.
11:13:00AM THOSE EVENTS, ESPECIALLY THIS LAST ONE WITH MILTON, SHUT ME
11:13:05AM DOWN FOR AN ENTIRE MONTH.
11:13:09AM THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M ABLE TO STAND HERE NOW AND TALK TO
11:13:11AM YOU IS BECAUSE I ACTUALLY SANDBAGGED MY OFFICE AND EVEN
11:13:16AM THOUGH I HAD 30 INCHES OF WATER OUTSIDE MY OFFICE, SOMEHOW I
11:13:19AM GOT FOUR INCHES INSIDE STILL.
11:13:22AM BUT IF I HAD NOT DONE THAT I WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE MANY OF

11:13:25AM THESE OTHER PEOPLE HERE AND OTHER BUSINESSES WHO ARE
11:13:29AM PROBABLY NOT HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL, YOU KNOW, IN MID
11:13:33AM CONSTRUCTION AND NOT WORKING AND NOT OPEN.
11:13:36AM SO I WAS FORTUNATE.
11:13:40AM STILL, JUST BEING OUT FOR A MONTH IS A MORTAL INJURY.
11:13:47AM AND THEN TO COME IN HERE THIS MORNING AND SUGGEST AFTER ALL
11:13:51AM THIS TIME AND ALL THESE EVENTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO NOW
11:13:54AM AGAIN POSTPONE THIS FOR FOUR MONTHS, AND KICK THIS CAN DOWN
11:14:00AM THE ROAD WHILE KICKING ALL OF US IN THE STOMACH AT THE SAME
11:14:02AM TIME IS NOT JUST AN INJURY, IT IS AN INSULT TO INJURY.
11:14:09AM AND I DON'T APPRECIATE IT AT ALL.
11:14:10AM I HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN FOR A MONTH.
11:14:17AM I WAS SHUT DOWN DURING COVID.
11:14:19AM I'VE HEARD THE EPICUREAN BUSINESS MANAGER TALK ABOUT HAVING
11:14:24AM TO LET EMPLOYEES GO DURING COVID.
11:14:26AM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUSINESS PRACTICES ARE LIKE OVER
11:14:28AM THERE, BUT WHEN I WAS SHUT DOWN DURING COVID AND THAT WAS
11:14:32AM FOR ABOUT EIGHT WEEKS, I PAID ALL MY STAFF, NOT REALLY
11:14:36AM KNOWING WHAT KIND OF SBA LOAN I WOULD BE GETTING.
11:14:39AM I JUST DID IT.
11:14:41AM AND THIS PAST EPISODE WHERE I WAS SHUT DOWN DURING MILTON,
11:14:46AM SAME THING.
11:14:47AM I PAID MY STAFF.
11:14:48AM THAT'S JUST HOW I CONDUCT THINGS.
11:14:51AM SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE EMPLOYEES GETTING

11:14:54AM LAID OFF OR LET GO, BUT ONE THING THAT WE DON'T HAVE IN
11:15:01AM PALMA CEIA PINES OR PARKLAND IS ANY TYPE OF HEADS-UP OR
11:15:07AM NOTICE WHEN ONE OF THESE CATASTROPHIC EVENTS IS ABOUT TO
11:15:10AM HAPPEN.
11:15:11AM THEY'VE GOT AT LEAST TWO YEARS TO PLAN FOR IT.
11:15:14AM AND THOSE EMPLOYEES COULD AT LEAST, IF THEY ARE NOT GOING TO
11:15:17AM BE TAKEN CARE OF BY THE BUSINESSES, CAN SEEK ALTERNATIVE
11:15:22AM SHORT-TERM EMPLOYMENT DURING THAT TIME.
11:15:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:15:27AM >> ALL RIGHT.
11:15:27AM THANK YOU.
11:15:28AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE PRIANKA GERRISH, MICHAEL STUART,
11:15:32AM AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A RECESS BECAUSE WE HAVE AN ENTIRE FLOOR
11:15:35AM BELOW US WAITING TO COME UP TO SPEAK.
11:15:37AM IF YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN, IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND TO GO TO
11:15:40AM THE SECOND FLOOR.
11:15:41AM IT'S TVs.
11:15:44AM YOU'LL SEE EVERYTHING, SEE THE MEETING, BUT WE HAVE TO BRING
11:15:47AM ANOTHER GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS UP BECAUSE THE ROOM IS LIMITED.
11:15:49AM >> PRIANKA GERRISH.
11:15:53AM MY FIRST COMMENT TO ALL THE PEOPLE ASKING FOR THE EXTENSION,
11:15:56AM YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE ASKED 120 DAYS AGO.
11:15:59AM I DON'T KNOW WHY THIS IS COMING UP NOW.
11:16:01AM THE CITY OF TAMPA IS ONE THAT IS GROWING AND EVOLVING AND
11:16:03AM BLOSSOMING IN EVERY WAY FROM RESTAURANTS AND NIGHT LIFE TO

11:16:06AM MUSIC AND ART TO SMALL BUSINESSES AND SPORTS.
11:16:09AM IT'S BURGEONING IN EVERY SENSE.
11:16:11AM TAMPA IS POISED IF NOT ALREADY TO BE AN URBAN POWERHOUSE.
11:16:14AM SO IT BAFFLES ME THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS NOT KEPT PACE
11:16:18AM WITH THE GROWTH.
11:16:18AM YOU CANNOT GROW YOUR PLANT TO GREAT HEIGHTS IF YOU DON'T
11:16:22AM TAKE CARE OF THE ROOTS.
11:16:23AM MANY OF YOU HERE HAVE THE GOOD FORTUNE TO GO HOME AND HAVE
11:16:27AM YOUR NORMAL EVENING AND A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE OPERATING
11:16:29AM IN A VACUUM OF RHETORICAL QUESTIONS AND NONSCIENTIFIC
11:16:33AM ARMCHAIR ENGINEERING.
11:16:35AM THE REST OF US ARE OPERATING IN REALITY WITH WATERLOGGED
11:16:38AM HOMES, RIPPED OUT DRYWALL, RIPPED OUT FLOORS AND CONSTANT
11:16:42AM STRESS OF TRYING TO REBUILD.
11:16:43AM WE ARE RESILIENT BUT MANY OF US ARE HEMORRHAGING OUT LIFE
11:16:46AM SAVINGS AND PAYING A MORTGAGE NOTE ALONG WITH MONTHLY RENT,
11:16:49AM PROPERTY TAXES, REMEDIATION REBUILD COSTS AND WE NEED HOPE
11:16:52AM THAT THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO GET GREEN LIGHTED.
11:16:55AM WE WERE THE PEOPLE WHO RESEARCHED WHERE TO BUY AND WHERE TO
11:16:58AM BUILD OUR HOMES.
11:16:59AM WE LOOKED AT THINGS LIKE ELEVATION AND BEING IN FLOOD ZONE
11:17:02AM X.
11:17:03AM WE FELT GREAT ABOUT THE DECISIONS WE WERE MAKING.
11:17:05AM IF THIS WATER HAD COME FROM A HURRICANE STORM SURGE, I WOULD
11:17:08AM HAVE TAKEN MY LICKS AND I WOULD HAVE GIVEN MOTHER NATURE A

11:17:13AM POINT ON THE SCOREBOARD.
11:17:14AM THE FACT THAT STORMWATER FROM OUR DRAINS MIXED WITH SEWAGE
11:17:16AM WATER NOW FLOODING IN ZONE X, THAT IS A DIFFICULT PILL TO
11:17:20AM SWALLOW WHEN YOU THINK YOU'RE MAKING A GOOD CHOICE.
11:17:22AM I AM SO HEATED AT WHAT I PAY IN PROPERTY TAXES AND THE
11:17:25AM AMOUNT OF TIME AND ENERGY IT HAS TAKEN TO BEG FOR SOUND
11:17:28AM FLOOD RELIEF AND SAFE STREETS.
11:17:30AM IT'S INDESCRIBABLY MADDENING.
11:17:33AM THE DATA IS ALL THERE.
11:17:34AM IT'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS.
11:17:35AM THERE ARE COLD, HARD FACTS FROM THE ELEGANT PRESENTATION AND
11:17:38AM TIRELESS EFFORTS OF VIK BHIDE AND HIS TEAM.
11:17:40AM YET HERE I AM BEGGING FOR SAFE STREETS FOR US TO PARK OUR
11:17:43AM CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY, UNLOAD OUR GROCERIES, GET INTO CAR LINE
11:17:46AM ON TIME FOR SCHOOL AND PICK UP MY KIDS.
11:17:48AM GOD FORBID ANYBODY GETS SICK AND WE CAN'T GET OUT TO THE
11:17:52AM HOSPITAL.
11:17:53AM THAT WILL BE A WHOLE OTHER THING.
11:17:54AM SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESS ALLIANCE, THEY ARE FORMIDABLE
11:17:58AM OPPONENTS.
11:17:59AM WHO DO YOU ALL THINK IS GOING TO BERN'S FOR DATE NIGHT?
11:18:02AM HAVEN FOR COCKTAILS WITH FRIENDS?
11:18:06AM WHO CAN'T RIP THEIR KIDS AWAY FROM WATER AND FLOWER.
11:18:09AM IT'S US.
11:18:10AM IT'S ALL OF US.

11:18:11AM WE ARE THEIR PATRONS.
11:18:13AM WE ARE THE ONES WHO FREQUENT THEIR BUSINESS.
11:18:15AM WE SING THEIR PRAISES AND DELIGHT IN THEIR SERVICE.
11:18:17AM I'M THE MOM WHO IS UP AT MIDNIGHT WHEN BERN'S RESERVATION
11:18:21AM GOES LIVE SIX MONTHS OUT TO SNAG A TABLE FOR A CELEBRATION.
11:18:25AM I AM THE LADY THAT TAKES THE TOUR OF BERN'S AFTER DINNER AND
11:18:28AM TAKEN IT EIGHT TIMES AND I'M EQUALLY ENTHRALLED EVERY TIME I
11:18:32AM TAKE IT.
11:18:32AM I'M THE ONE WHO IS DRINKING THE WINE.
11:18:34AM I'M HAPPY TO COME AND DRINK MORE WINE AND BRING ALL MY
11:18:37AM FRIENDS.
11:18:38AM YOUR PATRONS WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT YOU AS THEY ALWAYS
11:18:41AM HAVE.
11:18:42AM BUT YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOUR CONSTITUENTS, YOUR PATRONS, WE ARE
11:18:45AM TIRED AND WE ARE RUNNING ON FUMES.
11:18:47AM IT IS MENTALLY EXHAUSTING TO BEG FOR PUBLIC WORKS THAT IS
11:18:50AM ALREADY SOUND ENGINEERING.
11:18:51AM EXHAUSTING TO RESEARCH AND DISPEL AND REFUTE THE SHEER
11:18:55AM VOLUME OF MISINFORMATION.
11:18:56AM WE HAVE A GOOD PLAN.
11:18:58AM LET'S START IT TOMORROW.
11:18:59AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:19:00AM OUR FINAL SPEAKER BEFORE WE TAKE A RECESS AS I EXPLAIN ABOUT
11:19:03AM THE OTHER FOLKS COMING IN, MICHAEL STEWARD.
11:19:07AM >> MICHAEL STEWARD.

11:19:08AM A PARTNER AT 717 SOUTH RESTAURANT, ALSO AVA RESTAURANT.
11:19:12AM THE PROBLEM WITH GOING LAST, I'VE HEARD SO MANY SIDES OF THE
11:19:16AM STORY.
11:19:17AM I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT
11:19:19AM IS FAIR WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE THAT WENT
11:19:21AM BEFORE AND CAN'T HAVE A REBUTTAL.
11:19:23AM I AM A RESTAURANT GUY.
11:19:25AM I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WORK.
11:19:26AM BUT THE SAD THING IS, IT'S NOT ABOUT BUSINESS OWNERS -- I
11:19:29AM HAVE A SPEECH.
11:19:31AM I'M GOING TO IGNORE IT.
11:19:32AM IT'S NOT ABOUT BUSINESS OWNERS SAVING UP MONEY.
11:19:35AM WE WENT THROUGH COVID, RIGHT?
11:19:37AM THE GENTLEMAN SAID THAT, BUT WE GOT -- WE DIDN'T HAVE A
11:19:42AM BUSINESS AND THAT WAS TWO MONTHS.
11:19:44AM I LIVED THROUGH THIS TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE IN SOUTH TAMPA.
11:19:50AM THE EXACT SAME INFRASTRUCTURE.
11:19:52AM I TOOK A GOLF CART.
11:19:53AM I TOOK MY KIDS TO SCHOOL.
11:19:55AM WHEN I WENT TO PUBLIX, COULDN'T GET TO MY HOUSE.
11:19:58AM TOOK GOLF CARTS, RIGHT.
11:20:00AM THAT DIDN'T WORK?
11:20:01AM LIVE ON A DEAD-END STREET IN SOUTH TAMPA THAT COMPLETELY
11:20:05AM FLOODED ON THE LAST GO-AROUND.
11:20:08AM THEY PUT IN A CULVERT SYSTEM.

11:20:10AM UNFORTUNATELY, IT DIDN'T WORK.
11:20:12AM I SEE A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM ON HOWARD AVENUE.
11:20:14AM I WENT TO THE MEETING ON MONDAY AND NO DISRESPECT TO THE
11:20:17AM ENGINEERS THAT WERE THERE, GLOSSY BROCHURE SAID WE ARE GOING
11:20:21AM TO WIDEN STREETS, DO THIS ON THE MEDIANS.
11:20:24AM I GET A LITTLE UPSET BECAUSE I ASKED THEM, HAVE YOU EVEN
11:20:27AM BEEN TO HOWARD AVENUE.
11:20:28AM THIS IS NOT PART OF A BROCHURE THAT'S GOING TO LIKE JUST
11:20:31AM IMPROVE THE STREET.
11:20:32AM WE HAVE NO ROOM.
11:20:33AM BEEN TO 717 AND AVA, THERE IS NO ROOM.
11:20:36AM I COULD GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE VERY END.
11:20:39AM I HAVE BEEN TOLD THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVES.
11:20:44AM ALL OF MY CUSTOMERS ARE SITTING BEHIND ME.
11:20:47AM I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE BIG DEAL OF WAITING 120 DAYS REALLY.
11:20:50AM IF WHAT EVERYBODY -- WHAT I'M SAYING IS TO WAIT 120 DAYS TO
11:21:00AM LET US GIVE OUR EVIDENCE.
11:21:02AM WHAT'S ANOTHER 120 DAYS, RIGHT?
11:21:03AM THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE OF WHAT I SAID.
11:21:06AM WHERE I LIVE IN SOUTH TAMPA, I FLOODED.
11:21:08AM EIGHT HOMES ON MY STREET ALL FLOODED AND WE HAVE THIS EXACT
11:21:12AM SAME CULVERT SYSTEM RUNNING FROM MY HOUSE.
11:21:15AM BEYOND THAT I CAN TALK ABOUT THE EMPLOYEES.
11:21:19AM I HAD A MEETING LAST NIGHT.
11:21:20AM UNFORTUNATELY, I'M LATE TO THE GAME.

11:21:22AM I JUST HEARD ABOUT THIS A MONTH AGO.
11:21:24AM I ASKED, QUITE FRANKLY, CAN YOU DO WITHOUT ONE PAYCHECK?
11:21:30AM THEY KIND OF LOOKED AT ME LIKE, THAT IS A LITTLE WEIRD.
11:21:33AM WHAT ABOUT TWO PAYCHECKS?
11:21:35AM WHAT ABOUT THREE PAYCHECKS?
11:21:37AM WHAT ABOUT FOUR PAYCHECKS?
11:21:39AM THEY SAID I LOVE WORKING FOR YOU.
11:21:43AM I'VE BEEN AT 717 FOR 20 YEARS AND REBUILDING AN INCREDIBLE
11:21:46AM RESTAURANT RIGHT NOW, BUT EVERY ONE OF THEM SAID I HAVE TO
11:21:51AM LEAVE YOU.
11:21:52AM INFLATION, HURRICANES, THE RESILIENCE OF THE BUSINESSES ON
11:21:56AM HOWARD AVENUE, WE HAVE SURVIVED THAT.
11:21:58AM I CAN TELL YOU WE WON'T SURVIVE BEING SHUT DOWN.
11:22:02AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:22:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:22:04AM WE'LL GO INTO A RECESS.
11:22:06AM IF YOU HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE GO DOWN TO
11:22:09AM THE SECOND FLOOR.
11:22:10AM WE HAVE A WHOLE ROOM SET UP WITH CHAIRS AND TVs.
11:22:12AM THEN WE'LL BRING UP A WHOLE GROUP OF PEOPLE.
11:22:14AM WE ARE IN RECESS.
11:22:15AM THANK YOU.
11:22:16AM FOR FIVE MINUTES.
11:22:16AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
11:22:17AM [RECESS]

11:37:26AM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
11:37:26AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THIS TAMPA CITY
11:37:27AM COUNCIL MEETING TO ORDER.
11:37:28AM IF WE COULD HAVE ROLL CALL AND THEN I'LL YIELD TO
11:37:31AM MR. SHELBY.
11:37:31AM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.
11:37:32AM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
11:37:33AM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
11:37:36AM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
11:37:37AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
11:37:39AM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
11:37:41AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MARTIN SHELBY, CITY COUNCIL ATTORNEY.
11:37:43AM AS YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN PEOPLE ON THE SECOND FLOOR,
11:37:47AM THEY HAVE BEEN MOVED UPSTAIRS.
11:37:49AM I DID READ THE RULES OF DECORUM EARLIER, AND HOPEFULLY YOU
11:37:53AM DID HEAR THE SUGGESTION TO REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR,
11:37:58AM INCLUDING COMMENTS, MAKING CLAPS, CLAPPING OR SNAPPING,
11:38:03AM PLEASE.
11:38:03AM BUT THERE WAS REFERENCE MADE TO A RULE EARLIER.
11:38:06AM I JUST WANT TO BRING IT TO THE PUBLIC'S ATTENTION AND
11:38:09AM REFRESH COUNCIL'S RECOLLECTION.
11:38:11AM THAT'S RULE 5F UNDER THE RULES OF DECORUM.
11:38:15AM SPEAKERS SHALL REFRAIN FROM DISRUPTIVE BEHAVIOR, INCLUDING
11:38:18AM MAKING VULGAR OR THREATENING REMARKS AND SHALL REFRAIN FROM
11:38:23AM MAKING PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST ANY CITY OFFICIAL, CITY

11:38:26AM STAFF MEMBER, OR MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC.
11:38:29AM COMMENTS SHALL BE DIRECTED TO THE COUNCIL AS A BODY AND NOT
11:38:32AM TO INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS.
11:38:33AM THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
11:38:35AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:38:35AM WE'LL CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
11:38:37AM WE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL HOUR AND A HALF.
11:38:39AM WE'LL WRAP UP SOME OF THE AGENDA AND BREAK FOR LUNCH AT
11:38:44AM ABOUT 1, 1:15 IF EVERYTHING GOES ON SCHEDULE.
11:38:48AM DOES ANYBODY SEE CAR KEYS ON THE FLOOR WHERE YOU ARE
11:38:55AM SITTING?
11:38:56AM SOMEBODY LEFT THEIR CAR KEYS BEHIND.
11:39:04AM >>LUIS VIERA: REAL BRIEFLY, TO EVERYBODY SPEAKING, I KNOW
11:39:06AM THIS IS OBVIOUS.
11:39:07AM YOU HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES.
11:39:09AM YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THE FULL THREE MINUTES.
11:39:11AM THAT'S ALL.
11:39:11AM THOUGH YOU ARE WELCOME TO.
11:39:15AM >>MARTIN SHELBY: ONE OTHER REMINDER, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN
11:39:18AM VIERA, FOR BRINGING THAT UP.
11:39:21AM THERE IS THE LIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE LECTERN.
11:39:23AM THERE ARE THREE LIGHTS.
11:39:24AM A GREEN, YELLOW, RED.
11:39:26AM WHEN YOU SPEAK, THE GREEN LIGHT GOES ON.
11:39:29AM WHEN THE RED GOES ON, YOU HEAR A TONE AND 30 SECONDS LEFT

11:39:32AM FOR YOU TO WRAP UP.
11:39:33AM WHEN THE RED GOES ON, THAT MEANS PLEASE REFRAIN FROM
11:39:36AM SPEAKING AND THE BEEPER WILL CONTINUE TO GO OFF.
11:39:39AM ONE OTHER THING, COUNCIL, JUST A REMINDER AND SO THE PUBLIC
11:39:42AM SHOULD KNOW, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS A VERY FULL EVENING AGENDA
11:39:45AM THAT BEGINS AT 5:00.
11:39:47AM THE SOONER THEY CAN GET THROUGH THE CITY BUSINESS, THE
11:39:49AM SOONER THEY CAN BE PREPARED FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING.
11:39:52AM COUNCIL, THE SUGGESTION IS WHEN 3:45 ROLLS AROUND, IF YOU
11:39:56AM HAVEN'T FINISHED YOUR AGENDA, YOU CONTINUE WHAT YOU HAVE, DO
11:39:59AM NEW BUSINESS AND TAKE AN HOUR FOR DINNER SO YOU CAN COME
11:40:01AM BACK AND START 5:00 ON TIME.
11:40:03AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:40:04AM OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS KHADEEM.
11:40:08AM IF YOU ARE HERE, SIR, FOLLOWED BY STEVEN GERRISH AND COLIN
11:40:13AM THOMPSON ON ALLISON DOUCETTE.
11:40:15AM ONE OR THE OTHER BUT NOT BOTH.
11:40:17AM ON THE SAME CARD.
11:40:20AM >> DEAR CITY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS KHADEEM SEALEY.
11:40:23AM CURRENTLY WORK AT BERN'S STEAK HOUSE AND BERN'S FINE WINE
11:40:26AM AND SPIRITS.
11:40:26AM I AM TRULY CONCERNED ABOUT THE CLOSING OF HOWARD AVENUE.
11:40:31AM MY DIRECT SOURCE OF INCOME FOR MY FAMILY IS FROM BERN'S
11:40:35AM STEAK HOUSE.
11:40:36AM THIS CLOSURE IS GOING TO AFFECT MY FINANCES DIRECTLY.

11:40:39AM BUT EVEN THEN I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT DYLAN SCARMANDO,
11:40:49AM GINA, SERVERS, THE BARTENDER AND HANNA THOMPSON, A PASTRY
11:41:00AM CHEF WHO RECENTLY HAD BABIES THIS YEAR.
11:41:03AM THEY ARE JUST TEN INDIVIDUALS WHO ALSO WORK AT BERN'S STEAK
11:41:06AM HOUSE WHO ARE CURRENTLY HAVING OR HAVE ALREADY HAD CHILDREN
11:41:09AM IN THE PAST YEAR.
11:41:11AM THE NAMES THAT I HAVE MENTIONED DOES NOT INCLUDE THE OTHER
11:41:15AM 85 PERCENT OF EMPLOYEES WHO CURRENTLY HAVE MULTIPLE
11:41:18AM CHILDREN.
11:41:19AM THEY ARE SOLE PROVIDERS FOR.
11:41:21AM THIS CLOSURE WILL PUT IMMENSE PRESSURE ON A MICROECONOMY.
11:41:25AM I AM ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT THE CANCELLATIONS THAT ARE
11:41:29AM FORECAST FOR THE RESERVATIONS TO ACCOMMODATE THE PEOPLE FROM
11:41:32AM ALL OVER THE WORLD WHO ARE TRYING TO COME TO TAMPA, FLORIDA,
11:41:35AM TO EXPERIENCE ONE OF THE WORLD'S LARGEST WINE CELLARS THAT
11:41:39AM WOULD LIKE TO COME TO TAMPA BAY AND EXPERIENCE THE HISTORY
11:41:42AM OF BERN'S STEAK HOUSE SINCE 1956.
11:41:46AM THIS, I BELIEVE, CAN AFFECT THE MACRO ECONOMY.
11:41:51AM SORRY.
11:41:55AM I'M CHOKING UP.
11:41:56AM THAT MADE ME THINK ABOUT HOW TAMPA BAY IS DIFFERENT FROM
11:41:59AM MOST OF THE WORLD.
11:42:00AM WHEN IT COMES FROM PRESERVING ITS HISTORY.
11:42:02AM THE OWNER OF BERN'S STEAK HOUSE HAD TO ENDURE MULTIPLE
11:42:06AM STORMS THIS YEAR AND EVEN POWER OUTAGES THAT CAUSED THEM TO

11:42:09AM THROW AWAY ALL OF THE FOOD IN THEIR STORE AND INCUR HUNDRED
11:42:13AM PERCENT LABOR COST TO REOPEN THE RESTAURANT AT A LOSS.
11:42:16AM ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS JUST THIS YEAR, BERN'S HAS LOST
11:42:20AM MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN FOOD AND DAMAGES.
11:42:23AM THESE STORMS, WE WERE ABLE TO WEATHER, BUT SHUTTING DOWN THE
11:42:27AM MAIN ACCESS TO HISTORIC BUILDING THAT MIGHT BE A STORM THAT
11:42:32AM WE MAY NOT SURVIVE.
11:42:34AM WE ARE NOT ASKING YOU TO CEASE THE ENHANCEMENT OF THE CITY
11:42:38AM OF TAMPA.
11:42:39AM WE ARE JUST TRYING TO FIND ALTERNATIVE ROUTES SO THAT WE CAN
11:42:42AM PROTECT THE HISTORY THAT IS BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
11:42:45AM THANK YOU.
11:42:45AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:42:46AM STEVE GERRISH.
11:42:48AM COLIN THOMPSON OR ALLISON DOUCETTE.
11:42:52AM AND GIOVANNI.
11:42:55AM >> HELLO, COUNCIL.
11:42:56AM MY NAME IS STEVE GERRISH.
11:42:58AM I LIVE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
11:42:59AM VERY QUICK, BEFORE I GET INTO MY SPEECH, I WANTED TO ADDRESS
11:43:02AM A COUPLE OF WHAT WAS SAID EARLIER.
11:43:05AM THERE IS A TON OF MISLEADING INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN GOING
11:43:08AM ALL OVER FOR THE LAST MONTH OR SO.
11:43:12AM ONE THING IS I KNOW THAT THE OWNER OF 717 MENTIONED THAT HIS
11:43:15AM HOUSE FLOODED EVEN THOUGH HE HAD BOX CULVERTS PUT IN.

11:43:19AM THAT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING.
11:43:21AM HE SAID AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING HE FLOODED FROM HELENE,
11:43:23AM WHICH IS STORM SURGE.
11:43:24AM THE BOX CULVERTS WILL NOT DO ANYTHING FOR THAT.
11:43:27AM JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND.
11:43:29AM THE OTHER THING IS, I THINK THERE IS A LOT OF MISLEADING
11:43:32AM INFORMATION THAT THE RESTAURANTS ON HOWARD WILL NEED TO
11:43:35AM CLOSE, COMPLETELY CLOSE THEIR DOORS.
11:43:37AM I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY EVIDENCE BEHIND THAT.
11:43:39AM KIMMINS CONTRACTING HAS DONE PLENTY OF PROJECTS IN HYDE PARK
11:43:43AM WHERE NOBODY HAD TO CLOSE FOR SAFETY REASONS OR ANYTHING
11:43:45AM LIKE THAT.
11:43:46AM IN FACT, BERN'S IN JULY OF 2023 CLOSED THEIR DOORS
11:43:49AM COMPLETELY FOR THREE WEEKS FOR RENOVATIONS.
11:43:52AM THEY SEEM TO BE DOING JUST FINE ON THE OTHER END OF THAT.
11:43:55AM FIRST OFF, I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE, COUNCIL, YOUR ATTENTION
11:44:00AM AND DILIGENCE REGARDING THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
11:44:02AM PROJECT.
11:44:03AM I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN INUNDATED WITH E-MAILS AND CALLS ON THIS
11:44:05AM MATTER AND IT MUST BE EXHAUSTING.
11:44:07AM YOU HAVE A 12-HOUR MEETING TODAY OR LONGER.
11:44:10AM SO THANK YOU.
11:44:10AM IT'S BEEN INTERESTING TO SEE THE INTENSE DOUBT AND
11:44:14AM SKEPTICISM LARGE OF THIS PROJECT.
11:44:18AM BOTH THE CITY ENGINEERS AND CONSULTING ENGINEERS SPENT

11:44:21AM NEARLY A DECADE STUDYING THIS PROBLEM.
11:44:23AM THEY HAVE COUNTLESS YEARS OF EXPERTISE AND TRAINING TO SOLVE
11:44:25AM THE VERY ISSUES OF STORMWATER DRAINAGE.
11:44:27AM THEY PUT THEIR SIGNATURE ON THE PROJECT, WHICH FOR A
11:44:30AM PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IS A VERY SERIOUS STEP.
11:44:33AM IF A PROJECT FAILS, THAN AN ENGINEER WHO SIGNED OFF ON THAT
11:44:36AM PROJECT CAN LOSE THEIR LICENSE AND LIVELIHOOD.
11:44:39AM THEY DO NOT TAKE THE DECISIONS LIGHTLY.
11:44:41AM THEY HAD NUMEROUS MEETINGS AND DISCUSSIONS WHERE THEY
11:44:43AM CLEARLY EXPLAINED THE PROJECT AND WHY IT WILL WORK.
11:44:46AM YET AFTER ALL OF THAT, THERE STILL REMAINS INTENSE DOUBT AND
11:44:49AM SKEPTICISM OF THE SUCCESS OF THE PROJECT.
11:44:51AM WHY?
11:44:51AM DID EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE ENGINEERS SUDDENLY BECOME
11:44:54AM INCOMPETENT OR UNTRUSTWORTHY?
11:44:56AM WHY ALL THE PEOPLE ZERO EXPERIENCE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING
11:44:59AM DOUBTING THE LIFE WORK OF EXPERTS IN THE FIELD?
11:45:01AM MAKES NO SENSE TO ME.
11:45:03AM PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR MORE TIME TO STUDY DIFFERENT ROUTES.
11:45:05AM HOW IS 120 MORE DAYS GOING TO CHANGE WHAT HAS BEEN STUDIED
11:45:08AM FOR NINE YEARS AND 19 DIFFERENT ROUTES AND MANNERS OF
11:45:12AM DRAINAGE ALREADY STUDIED.
11:45:13AM THIS IS PUSHING IF FARTHER DOWN THE ROAD AND ANOTHER NINE
11:45:16AM YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN PARKLAND ESTATES WILL NEED TO BE
11:45:19AM RENAMED LAKELAND ESTATES BECAUSE IT WILL BE ONE LARGE BODY

11:45:23AM OF WATER DUE TO WORSENING FLOODING.
11:45:25AM WHO IS GOING TO COME TO THE SOUTH HOWARD BUSINESSES THEN.
11:45:27AM YOU'LL HAVE NO NEIGHBORS.
11:45:29AM UNLESS YOU SERVE LUNCH AND DINNER TO DUCKS, GEESE AND
11:45:32AM ALLIGATORS.
11:45:33AM LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT TODAY'S VOTE.
11:45:34AM TODAY IS ABOUT STARTING A DESIGN.
11:45:36AM NOBODY IS LEAVING HERE WITH A SHOVEL AND DIGGING UP HOWARD.
11:45:39AM I LOVE THE BUSINESSES ON HOWARD.
11:45:41AM MY FAMILY FREQUENTS THEM OFTEN.
11:45:42AM I SINCERELY HOPE THAT DURING THE DESIGN PHASE THEY DECIDE TO
11:45:45AM AVOID HOWARD.
11:45:46AM THEY CAN RUN THE CULVERTS RIGHT THROUGH MY LIVING ROOM IF IT
11:45:50AM SPARES THE PRECIOUS WINES AT BERN'S BUT AT THE SAME TIME
11:45:52AM STOPS THE CONSTANT FLOODING OF MY NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:45:55AM THANK YOU.
11:45:56AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:45:57AM COLIN THOMPSON ON ALLISON DOUCETTE.
11:46:00AM MS. DOUCETTE, YOU WON'T BE SPEAKING?
11:46:02AM THANK YOU.
11:46:03AM GOOD MORNING.
11:46:03AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:46:04AM >> COLIN THOMPSON.
11:46:05AM I, ALONG WITH MY PARTNER, ETHAN LOEB AND ALLISON DOUCETTE,
11:46:11AM REPRESENT OVER A DOZEN OF THE BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD,

11:46:14AM ALL THE WAY FROM BERN'S AND EPICUREAN HOTEL TO NORTH OF
11:46:19AM SWANN, McDINTON'S, BAR HOWARD.
11:46:23AM THESE ARE THE BUSINESSES THAT WE'VE HEARD TODAY FROM I THINK
11:46:26AM EVERYONE THAT HAVE MADE THE SOUTH TAMPA AREA, SOUTH TAMPA IN
11:46:32AM GENERAL AND THE TAMPA BAY AREA IN GENERAL ONE OF THE GREAT
11:46:35AM PLACES TO LIVE AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT PEOPLE COME HERE.
11:46:38AM MY CLIENT'S ESTABLISHMENTS ARE WHERE PEOPLE GO FOR
11:46:42AM ANNIVERSARIES, FOR GRADUATIONS, TO CELEBRATE MILESTONES AND
11:46:46AM TO JUST CELEBRATE THE END OF A GOOD WORKWEEK.
11:46:49AM WE HAVE HEARD WHAT THIS PROJECT PROPOSES TO DO IS STOP THAT.
11:46:55AM THIS WHOLE CORRIDOR BY DESIGN, ORGANIC DESIGN, IS
11:46:58AM INTERCONNECTED.
11:47:00AM STOPPING PIECES OF IT AT A TIME STOPS THE WHOLE ECONOMIC
11:47:04AM ENGINE THAT IS SOUTH HOWARD.
11:47:06AM IT WILL STOP FOR THE RESIDENTS AND THOSE PEOPLE.
11:47:11AM ALL OF YOUR CONSTITUENTS WHO COME DOWN TO ENJOY THESE AREAS,
11:47:14AM AND IT WILL IMPACT GREATLY THE EMPLOYEES WHO DEPEND ON THESE
11:47:19AM ESTABLISHMENTS.
11:47:20AM AND THEIR DRAW FOR OTHER ESTABLISHMENTS.
11:47:23AM WAY TOO OFTEN THE GOVERNMENT MOVES WITH GOOD INTENTIONS ONLY
11:47:28AM TO FIND THAT THE TREATMENT THAT THEY PRESCRIBED IS AS BAD AS
11:47:32AM THE DISEASE, AND THAT THE END RESULT IS NOT THE CURE THAT
11:47:38AM WAS PROMISED.
11:47:40AM AND THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THIS CURRENT PROPOSED
11:47:43AM PLAN.

11:47:44AM YOU'RE BEING ASKED TODAY TO VOTE TO APPROVE A CONTRACT,
11:47:48AM APPROVE AND BIND THE CITY TO A CONTRACT THAT ALREADY
11:47:51AM ESTABLISHES THE ROUTE AND THE MECHANISMS OF STORMWATER THAT
11:47:56AM WILL RUN IT RIGHT DOWN AND SYSTEMATICALLY DESTROY BUSINESSES
11:48:05AM FOR TIME PERIODS THAT WILL ULTIMATELY DESTROY THE WHOLE
11:48:08AM CORRIDOR.
11:48:08AM YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, THOUGH, TO PAUSE ON THIS, TO NOT
11:48:12AM FALL VICTIM TO A TREATMENT THAT IS AS BAD AS THE DISEASE AND
11:48:17AM WILL NOT PROVIDE THE CURE.
11:48:19AM THE RESIDENTS OF PARKLAND ESTATES AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS
11:48:22AM ABSOLUTELY DESERVE RELIEF.
11:48:23AM AND THEY DESERVE RELIEF FROM THE STORMWATER MORE THAN JUST
11:48:28AM FOR THE AFTERNOON STORMS.
11:48:30AM WE LIVE IN A CHANGING WORLD AND THINGS ARE GETTING WORSE.
11:48:34AM WE NEED A COMPREHENSIVE SOLUTION THAT ADDRESSES NOT ONLY THE
11:48:38AM AFTERNOON STORMS BUT IT'S GOING TO ADDRESS THE EVENTS THAT
11:48:41AM THE NOW 50-YEAR STORM IS NOW THE 25-YEAR STORM, IS A 10-YEAR
11:48:47AM STORM.
11:48:48AM THIS PROPOSED PROJECT DOES NOT DO THAT.
11:48:50AM BUT IT DOES IMPACT AND DESTROY BUSINESSES THAT THIS
11:48:55AM COMMUNITY DEPENDS ON AND HAS MADE THIS A DESIRABLE PLACE TO
11:48:59AM GO AND THAT EVERYBODY IN THIS AREA WANTS TO GO.
11:49:02AM IF YOU VOTE YES ON THIS CONTRACT WITHOUT THAT PAUSE, YOU
11:49:06AM WILL BE CREATING A TREATMENT WORSE THAN THE DISEASE.
11:49:10AM THANK YOU.

11:49:10AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:49:10AM GIOVANNI, CARROLL ANN BENNETT, AND JORDAN.
11:49:18AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
11:49:19AM >> GOOD MORNING.
11:49:19AM MY NAME IS GIOVANNI ARCADU.
11:49:24AM I WANT TO SAY SOMETHING.
11:49:25AM I'M ITALIAN.
11:49:26AM APOLOGIZE FOR MY ACCENT AND ANY MISTAKE I DO.
11:49:30AM I BROUGHT A SPEECH BUT SEE A LOT OF WORKERS FROM THE
11:49:32AM BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD.
11:49:33AM I WANT TO THANK THEM BECAUSE I AM A CUSTOMER.
11:49:35AM I LIKE TO GO IN THOSE BUSINESSES.
11:49:37AM I ALSO WANT TO SAY A FEW THINGS.
11:49:39AM THOSE PEOPLE ARE HERE TO DEFEND THE SAME BUSINESSES THAT
11:49:43AM THEY ARE -- LOSS OF INCOME, THE FIRST THING THEY DO, FIRE
11:49:47AM THE SAME PEOPLE.
11:49:48AM I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU REMEMBER THAT BECAUSE A LITTLE BIT
11:49:54AM IRONIC.
11:49:55AM I BROUGHT THIS LITTLE SPEECH.
11:49:57AM I WILL BE QUICK.
11:49:58AM BUSINESSES ON SOUTH HOWARD ARE WORRIED BECAUSE THEY WILL
11:50:02AM HAVE PROBLEMS TO MANAGE.
11:50:04AM WE ARE YOUR CUSTOMERS, YOUR NEIGHBORS, AND WE HAVE SUPPORTED
11:50:07AM YOUR BUSINESS FOR YEARS.
11:50:09AM YOU ARE PRESENTED WITH A PLAN THAT ALLOW YOU TO GET READY

11:50:13AM AND PREPARE YOURSELF.
11:50:15AM THIS IS A LUXURY.
11:50:19AM DO YOU KNOW WHO DOES NOT HAVE THE LUXURY?
11:50:21AM YOU'LL HAVE DISTRESS.
11:50:26AM DO YOU KNOW WHO IS IN DISTRESS NOW, YOUR CUSTOMERS, YOUR
11:50:33AM NEIGHBORS.
11:50:33AM NEXT YEAR AND EVERY YEAR UNTIL THE CITY DOES SOMETHING.
11:50:38AM I HEAR PEOPLE ACCUSING THE ENGINEERS OF NEGLIGENCE BECAUSE
11:50:43AM THEY DID NOT CONDUCT AN ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY FOR THE LOSS
11:50:47AM OF BUSINESSES.
11:50:48AM TO THESE PEOPLE, I SAY THAT STOPPING THIS PROJECT TODAY IS
11:50:52AM NOT AN ACT OF NEGLIGENCE, BUT AN ACT OF CRUELTY AGAINST YOUR
11:50:58AM CLIENT, YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOUR FRIENDS, AND YOUR VOTERS.
11:51:02AM PLEASE STOP TO SAY THAT THIS PLAN IS -- YOUR INTEREST AND
11:51:08AM AGENDA.
11:51:08AM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PHYSICS AND GRAVITY.
11:51:11AM WATER NEEDS TO BE MOVED FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND TO AVOID
11:51:15AM CLOGGING WITH LESS TURNS AS POSSIBLE.
11:51:18AM I HEARD MR. COLLIER SAYING THAT WE HAVE TECHNOLOGY TO BUILD
11:51:22AM MANY 90-DEGREE TURNS TO AVOID HOWARD.
11:51:26AM I WILL SAY TO HIM, IF YOU NOTICE THAT IN YOUR HOUSE, ALL THE
11:51:29AM PLUMBING IS STRAIGHT.
11:51:31AM THERE IS A REASON WHY.
11:51:32AM I'M ITALIAN.
11:51:38AM I WAS LIVING IN ROME WHERE THEY ARE RIGHT NOW BUILDING THE

11:51:41AM SECOND LINE OF THE SUBWAY.
11:51:43AM THE ENTIRE CITY WILL BE IN DISTRESS.
11:51:46AM BUSINESSES AND CITIES FOR THE NEXT 10, 15 YEARS.
11:51:52AM PLEASE DO NOT USE YOUR MEDIAN WITH FEW TREES AS WE'RE
11:51:55AM TALKING ABOUT HERITAGE TO BE PRESERVED.
11:52:01AM PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING.
11:52:02AM DO NOT TELL ME THAT DAMAGE FROM THE SHAKING THAT WILL BE
11:52:08AM DONE.
11:52:09AM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
11:52:11AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:52:11AM CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
11:52:14AM JORDAN WARSHAUSKY.
11:52:17AM GAMINE ZACHARIAS.
11:52:21AM >> MY NAME IS CARROLL ANN BENNETT.
11:52:32AM MARY LOU BAILEY COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY, BUT PLEASE READ THE
11:52:36AM E-MAIL SHE SENT YOU.
11:52:38AM I WOULD LIKE ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT STORMS TO BE
11:52:41AM TRANSLATED TO INCHES.
11:52:42AM WHEN THEY SAY MEAN ANNUAL PEAK STAGE, AVERAGE ANNUAL STORM
11:52:47AM EVENT, FIVE-YEAR, HUNDRED-YEAR, 300-YEAR STORM.
11:52:52AM ENGINEERS UNDERSTAND IT BUT LAY PEOPLE DON'T.
11:52:55AM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY INCHES THIS IS.
11:52:57AM WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MANY INCHES OF RAIN THIS PROJECT WILL
11:53:00AM HANDLE.
11:53:01AM HOW MANY INCHES WILL OVERWHELM IT.

11:53:04AM I REPEAT, HOW MANY INCHES WILL OVERWHELM THIS PROJECT?
11:53:07AM WILL THIS SYSTEM WORK?
11:53:08AM THE POLICY -- 36 INCHES.
11:53:12AM WE WERE TOLD YET TO BE DETERMINED IF 36-INCH PIPES ARE
11:53:15AM ADEQUATE.
11:53:16AM IT SEEMS PRETTY OBVIOUS TO ME THAT WE DO KNOW THEY ARE NOT
11:53:19AM ADEQUATE, YET THERE ARE NO PLANS TO DO ANYTHING NORTH OF
11:53:22AM SWANN.
11:53:23AM AT MONDAY'S MEETING THEY SAID MAYBE THE PALMA CEIA PALMS
11:53:26AM PIPES WILL BE REPLACED WITH THIS PROJECT AND MAYBE THEY
11:53:29AM WON'T.
11:53:29AM BUT THEY SAID IT DEFINITELY ISN'T PART OF THE PLAN OR THE
11:53:32AM PRICE.
11:53:32AM I ALSO LEARNED ON MONDAY THAT PALMA CEIA PINES DRAINS
11:53:36AM THROUGH THREE DIFFERENT BASINS, NOT JUST THROUGH PARKLAND
11:53:40AM ESTATES.
11:53:40AM SO HOW MUCH WILL IT ACTUALLY HELP PALMA CEIA PINES IF
11:53:44AM PARKLAND ESTATES FLOODING IS IMPROVED?
11:53:46AM THEY WON'T GUARANTEE IT WILL HELP AT ALL.
11:53:49AM THEY JUST HOPE IT WILL.
11:53:51AM IF WE'RE BEING HONEST, THIS IS THE PLAN FOR NORTH OF SWANN.
11:53:56AM THEY HAVEN'T EVEN TOLD US HOW MUCH THEY HOPE IT WILL HELP.
11:54:01AM IF IT DOES VERY LITTLE, THEY WILL SAY WE DIDN'T GUARANTEE IT
11:54:04AM WOULD HELP.
11:54:05AM WE JUST HOPED IT WOULD.

11:54:06AM I AM VERY CONCERNED THEY ARE GIVING PALMA CEIA PINES FALSE
11:54:09AM HOPE AND PALMA CEIA PINES PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THAT.
11:54:13AM THEY SAID NOTHING COULD BE DONE FOR PALMA CEIA PINES UNTIL
11:54:15AM THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN IS COMPLETED AND THEY MUST MODEL
11:54:18AM IT BEFORE THEY CAN EVEN PROPOSE A PLAN.
11:54:20AM THAT MEANS THERE WON'T EVEN BE A PROPOSAL FOR NATURAL OF
11:54:23AM SWANN FOR YEARS AND WORK WON'T BE FINISHED UNTIL YEARS AFTER
11:54:26AM THAT.
11:54:27AM DO YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON TODAY?
11:54:30AM THEY TOLD US ON MONDAY THAT THE MAXIMUM GUARANTEED PRICE
11:54:33AM WON'T BE DETERMINED UNTIL THE DESIGN PHASE IS OVER, WHICH IS
11:54:36AM 10 TO 12 MONTHS.
11:54:38AM WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO IN A YEAR IF THE MAXIMUM GUARANTEED
11:54:42AM PRICE IS SKY HIGH?
11:54:43AM YOU'LL ALREADY BE DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE.
11:54:47AM IS THE ROUTE DETERMINED OR NOT?
11:54:49AM IS IT JUST THE DOTTED LINE THAT'S UNDECIDED OR IS THE WHOLE
11:54:53AM ROUTE UNDECIDED?
11:54:55AM WILL CITY COUNCIL PICK THE ROUTE?
11:54:57AM WILL STAFF PICK THE ROUTE?
11:54:58AM WILL KIMMINS PICK THE ROUTE?
11:55:00AM YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON.
11:55:02AM YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WILL ACCOMPLISH.
11:55:04AM YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH HARM IT WILL DO OR HOW MUCH IT WILL
11:55:08AM COST.

11:55:08AM YOU HAVE NO GUARANTEE FOR CITY COUNCIL INPUT OR CONTROL.
11:55:11AM YOU NEED THESE ANSWERS.
11:55:13AM SOMETHING MUST BE DONE ABOUT THIS CATASTROPHIC FLOODING, BUT
11:55:15AM IT MUST BE THE BEST THING FOR EVERYONE.
11:55:18AM MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE VOTING ON THE BEST PLAN AND THAT IT
11:55:21AM DOES ENOUGH.
11:55:23AM THANK YOU.
11:55:23AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
11:55:24AM JORDAN.
11:55:26AM GAMINE ZACHARIAS.
11:55:30AM GRETA.
11:55:31AM GOOD MORNING, SIR.
11:55:33AM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
11:55:33AM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
11:55:34AM JORDAN WARSHAUSKY.
11:55:37AM REPRESENT CICCIO RESTAURANT GROUP.
11:55:39AM WORKED ON SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE EXCLUSIVELY SINCE APRIL OF
11:55:43AM 2004.
11:55:44AM NOT HERE TO REFUTE ENGINEERING, CHALLENGE THE COUNCIL OR
11:55:49AM DIMINISH THE PAIN AND LOSS OF OUR NEIGHBORS.
11:55:51AM IT IS REAL, AND THEY REQUIRE REAL RELIEF.
11:55:53AM WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT THAT I
11:55:56AM BELIEVE IS LACKING IN THE DESIGN-BUILD PROPOSAL THAT SITS
11:56:00AM BEFORE YOU.
11:56:01AM ONE, TRANSPORTATION.

11:56:03AM ONE OF OUR AVERAGE UNITS REQUIRES 15 TO 20 SEMI TRAILERS OR
11:56:09AM CARGO BOX TRUCKS A WEEK.
11:56:13AM NOT EVERY SINGLE ESTABLISHMENT HAS THE ARTERIAL SIDE STREETS
11:56:16AM THAT CAN HANDLE THAT TYPE OF COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC.
11:56:22AM YOU WOULD BE STARVING US OF THE VERY PRODUCT WE SELL.
11:56:26AM TWO, SOLID WASTE.
11:56:29AM OUR AVERAGE UNIT REQUIRES 8 CUBIC YARDS OF TRASH TO BE
11:56:34AM REMOVED SIX TIMES A WEEK.
11:56:36AM THREE TIMES A WEEK WE HAVE EIGHT CUBIC YARDS OF PAPER
11:56:41AM RECYCLABLES REMOVED.
11:56:42AM EVERY 21 TO 28 DAYS WE HAVE 2,000 POUNDS OF SOLID GREASE
11:56:50AM PUMPED AND REMOVED.
11:56:51AM MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT.
11:56:53AM TALLAHASSEE AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WILL SHUT US DOWN
11:56:57AM IF THAT CADENCE IS INTERRUPTED.
11:56:59AM FULL STOP.
11:57:00AM THOSE ARE SOME OF THE FACTS THAT ARE MISSING.
11:57:03AM FINALLY, FIRST RESPONDERS.
11:57:06AM UNFORTUNATELY CRG, MICHAEL STEWART AT 717 AND SOME OF OUR
11:57:11AM NEIGHBORS KNOW WHAT IT IS LIKE TO HAVE A FIRE LOSS.
11:57:16AM FIRE LOSS IS PREVENTED BY IMMEDIATE AND RAPID RESPONSE,
11:57:20AM REDUCED ACCESS OR EVEN RESTRICTED ACCESS CAN TAKE A SINGLE
11:57:25AM STRUCTURE TO MULTIPLE STRUCTURES OR GOD FORBID EVEN WORSE.
11:57:31AM AT RESTAURANTS, WE EXPERIENCE ANAPHYLAXIS, CARDIAC EVENTS,
11:57:36AM SLIP AND FALLS WITH HEAD TRAUMA.

11:57:38AM IN THOSE INSTANCES, E.M.S. RESPONSE, MINUTES AND SECONDS ARE
11:57:44AM ACTUALLY LIFE AND DEATH.
11:57:45AM I AM NOT ASKING FOR THIS PROJECT TO BE TABLED, TO BE
11:57:50AM REMOVED.
11:57:51AM WHAT I AM ASKING FOR IS HONEST ANSWERS TO THESE LOGISTICAL
11:57:57AM CHALLENGES.
11:57:57AM WHAT WE NEED IS RELIEF FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR
11:58:02AM COMMUNITIES, BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF CONDEMNING A VITAL
11:58:07AM AND THRIVING BUSINESS DISTRICT.
11:58:09AM PLEASE, I IMPLORE YOU, DO NOT LET THAT BE THE LEGACY OF THIS
11:58:14AM PROJECT NOR THE LEGACY OF THIS COUNCIL.
11:58:16AM THANK YOU.
11:58:16AM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
11:58:19AM GAMIN ZACHARIAS.
11:58:21AM GRETA BROOKS.
11:58:22AM ALLISON BURNS.
11:58:24AM GOOD MORNING.
11:58:25AM >> HELLO.
11:58:26AM GAMIN ZACHARIAS.
11:58:30AM MY NAME IS GAMIN.
11:58:32AM I SPOKE TO THE COUNCIL BACK IN JUNE ABOUT MY CONCERNS
11:58:35AM REGARDING THIS FLOOD PROJECT, SPECIFICALLY WHY IT SHOULD NOT
11:58:38AM GO THROUGH A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:58:41AM THERE ARE LOTS OF REASONS I CARE ABOUT THIS.
11:58:43AM I DON'T THINK OUR HUNDRED-YEAR-OLD HOMES CAN HANDLE THE

11:58:46AM INTENSITY OF THE VIBRATIONS FROM THE EXCAVATION DESPITE ANY
11:58:50AM PROMISES, REAL-TIME MONITORING, WE'LL KNOW IN THE MOMENT
11:58:53AM THAT DAMAGE IS HAPPENING.
11:58:54AM I'M ALSO VERY CONCERNED ABOUT OUR TREE CANOPY, NOT JUST
11:58:57AM MINE, BUT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.
11:58:59AM THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I SERVE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE
11:59:02AM PARKLAND ESTATES GARDEN CLUB.
11:59:03AM IN THE CITY OF TAMPA TREE CANOPY AND URBAN FOREST ANALYSIS
11:59:07AM OF 2021, IT WAS NOTED THAT CANOPY LOSS SINCE 2011 IS FOUR
11:59:11AM TIMES THE AREA OF DAVIS ISLANDS AND THAT CURRENTLY THE
11:59:15AM CANOPY IN SOUTH AND CENTRAL TAMPA IS AT A 20-YEAR LOW.
11:59:19AM THAT WAS IN 2021, CONSIDERING THAT WE JUST LOST THOUSANDS OF
11:59:23AM TREES THIS HURRICANE SEASON, THAT CANOPY LOSS HAS INCREASED
11:59:26AM SIGNIFICANTLY.
11:59:27AM PARKLAND ESTATES IS ONE OF THE MOST DENSELY CANOPIED AREAS
11:59:30AM OF THE CITY.
11:59:31AM MY BLOCK OF BRISTOL AVENUE ALONE HAS 55 TREES, 40 OF THOSE
11:59:35AM ARE LIVE OAKS.
11:59:37AM IF THEY ARE ALL REMOVED AND NEW ONES PLANTED, IT WILL TAKE
11:59:40AM DECADES TO RECOVER THE CANOPY.
11:59:43AM I'LL BE DEAD BY THEN AS WILL MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS.
11:59:45AM WHEN I SPOKE TO COUNCIL BACK IN JUNE ABOUT THE DESTRUCTIVE
11:59:49AM LONG-TERM IMPACTS OF THE PROJECT ON RESIDENTIAL ROADS, I WAS
11:59:52AM VERY RELIEVED TO HEAR THAT OUR CONCERNS HAD BEEN HEARD.
11:59:55AM THAT DAY IT WAS NOTED THAT, QUOTE, THEIR IDEA OF GOING

11:59:58AM THROUGH BRISTOL IS OFF THE TABLE.
12:00:00PM THAT IS A PARK-LIKE STREET.
12:00:01PM THERE WAS A MOTION, QUOTE THAT THE CITY ELIMINATE THE IDEA
12:00:04PM OF USING BRISTOL AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE VAULTS AND TO
12:00:08PM BYPASS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AS THEY WORK TO RESOLVE THE
12:00:11PM FLOODING ISSUE USING THE COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS, END OF QUOTE.
12:00:15PM AND AS COUNCIL, WE WOULD NOT VOTE FOR A PLAN OR FUNDING TO
12:00:19PM GO BEHIND IT THAT PUTS IT ON BRISTOL.
12:00:21PM THE MOBILITY DEPARTMENT WAS THEN TASKED WITH COMING BACK
12:00:24PM WITH A WRITTEN REPORT BY SEPTEMBER 5 THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE
12:00:27PM BRISTOL.
12:00:28PM YOU CAN IMAGINE HOW IT FELT TO SIT AT THAT MEETING ON MONDAY
12:00:31PM NIGHT AND SEEING A MAP STILL PLAINLY SHOWING BRISTOL AS ONE
12:00:34PM OF THE ROUTE OPTIONS, ALONG WITH OTHER RESIDENTIAL STREETS
12:00:37PM LIKE LAKEVIEW AND MORRISON.
12:00:40PM THIS COMPLETELY DISREGARDS COUNCIL'S DIRECTIVE FROM THE JUNE
12:00:43PM MEETING.
12:00:43PM THE RECENT ONE IN A HUNDRED-YEAR RAINFALL EVENT DOESN'T
12:00:47PM CHANGE OUR ARGUMENTS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE INAPPROPRIATENESS
12:00:49PM OF THIS SOLUTION FOR A RESIDENTIAL STREET.
12:00:52PM I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN CLOSING
12:00:58PM REMARKS ON THIS MATTER.
12:00:59PM QUOTE, THE FLOODING IS REAL.
12:01:01PM WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A RESOLUTION BUT THE RESOLUTION HAS TO BE
12:01:04PM THE RIGHT RESOLUTION.

12:01:06PM PLEASE VOTE NO TODAY TO TAKE THE TIME TO GET THIS RIGHT.
12:01:09PM CLEARLY FROM WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM EVERYONE, THERE ARE
12:01:12PM SERIOUS ISSUES TO ADDRESS BEFORE THIS PROCEEDS AND OUR
12:01:15PM NEIGHBORHOOD IS AT STAKE.
12:01:17PM THANK YOU.
12:01:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:01:17PM GRETA BROOKS.
12:01:19PM ALLISON BURNS.
12:01:21PM NICHOLAS LORENZ.
12:01:29PM >> GOOD MORNING.
12:01:29PM GRETA BROOKS.
12:01:30PM I HAVE LIVED ON BRISTOL AVENUE FOR OVER 25 YEARS.
12:01:34PM I KNOW I DON'T LOOK IT.
12:01:36PM BUT --
12:01:37PM MY HOME IS NEARLY 100 YEARS OLD, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU
12:01:41PM LETTING ME COME UP HERE AND SPEAK TODAY.
12:01:43PM I'M URGING YOU NOT TO MOVE THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOOD RELIEF
12:01:48PM PROJECT INTO THE DESIGN PHASE AT THIS TIME.
12:01:51PM THIS PROJECT IS ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE AND COMPLEX
12:01:54PM STORMWATER INITIATIVES OUR CITY HAS EVER UNDERTAKEN AND THE
12:01:58PM RISKS ARE IMMENSE.
12:01:59PM YET THESE RISKS HAVE BEEN INADEQUATELY EXPLORED AND
12:02:02PM COMMUNITY CONCERNS, MANY OF THEM LIFE-ALTERING, HAVE BEEN
12:02:06PM REPEATEDLY DISMISSED.
12:02:07PM FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE NO ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDY FOR THE MAJOR

12:02:10PM COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR BECAUSE, AS STATED AT MONDAY'S MEETINGS
12:02:14PM AND EARLIER TODAY, IT'S NOT DONE FOR STORMWATER PROJECTS.
12:02:17PM WHY NOT?
12:02:17PM WHY ARE STORMWATER ENGINEERS MAKING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT
12:02:20PM DECISIONS?
12:02:20PM RESIDENTS WERE TOLD ON MONDAY THAT HOMES WERE NOT DAMAGED BY
12:02:25PM KIMMINS DURING THE LAST PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE DONE, YET
12:02:28PM MANY HOMEOWNERS SAY THAT THEY WERE DAMAGED, EXCEPT THEIR
12:02:32PM DAMAGE CLAIMS WERE DENIED.
12:02:34PM WE'RE ASSURED THIS PROJECT WOULD BENEFIT THE ENTIRE
12:02:39PM WATERSHED BUT ONLY FOUR OF THE 259 ACRES IN THE WATERSHED
12:02:42PM HAVE BEEN MODELED.
12:02:44PM NONE OF THE ACRES INCLUDING PALMA CEIA PINES, AN AREA BOTH
12:02:47PM CONTRIBUTING TO THE FLOODING AND SUFFERING FROM IT.
12:02:50PM BY THE WAY, THE MODEL SHOWS THERE WILL STILL BE UP TO 2.3
12:02:54PM FEET OF FLOODING ALONG SWANN.
12:02:56PM SO THIS PLAN DOESN'T EVEN FIX THAT PROBLEM.
12:03:00PM EVEN CITY COUNCIL DIRECTIVES HAVE BEEN DISREGARDED.
12:03:04PM UNANIMOUSLY VOTED AGAINST FUNDING ANY PLAN ON BRISTOL
12:03:08PM AVENUE, YET TODAY BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A PROPOSAL THAT
12:03:10PM PAYS FOR A STUDY FOR OUR ROUTE DOWN BRISTOL AVENUE.
12:03:14PM YOU GAVE CITY STAFF FIVE MONTHS, FIVE MONTHS TO COME UP WITH
12:03:17PM A NEW PLAN AND FRESH THINKING.
12:03:21PM YET NOVEMBER 7, MR. BHIDE APPEARED BEFORE YOU WITH NO NEW
12:03:24PM THINKING OR EVEN COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

12:03:26PM SO NOW YOU SEE INDEPENDENT ENGINEERS BEING BROUGHT IN TO
12:03:29PM MOVE THIS ALONG.
12:03:31PM THE COMMUNITY WAS NOT AFFORDED THEIR DUE PROCESS.
12:03:33PM WE EXPECTED EFFORT WAS BEING MADE TOWARD SO MANY KNOWN
12:03:36PM ISSUES BUT IT WASN'T.
12:03:38PM MAJOR ISSUES HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED BY THE COMMUNITY SINCE
12:03:41PM JANUARY, BUT THE CITY HAS FAILED TO CONNECT EVEN BASIC
12:03:44PM ANALYSIS TO ADDRESS KNOWN RISKS TO THE COMMUNITY.
12:03:46PM WHY MUST WE SPEND $7 MILLION FOR A DESIGN CONTRACT TO GET
12:03:50PM THIS VERY BASIC INFORMATION THAT YOU SHOULD HAVE ALREADY
12:03:53PM HAD?
12:03:54PM FOR TWO YEARS, CITY STAFF HAD DATA FROM JMT SHOWING THAT A
12:03:58PM BROKEN RETENTION POND PUMP ON ALBANY AVENUE AND POOR ROAD
12:04:01PM MILLING IN PALMA CEIA PINES ARE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTORS TO
12:04:04PM PARKLAND'S FLOODING, YET THEY MADE NO EFFORT TO FIX THESE
12:04:08PM IMMEDIATE ISSUES, CLAIMING NO SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS ARE
12:04:11PM POSSIBLE.
12:04:11PM BUT THEY HAVE ONE.
12:04:12PM WHY APPROVE A $7 MILLION DESIGN CONTRACT TODAY THAT DOESN'T
12:04:15PM INCLUDE IN ITS SCOPE ANY INVESTIGATION OF ALTERNATIVES LIKE
12:04:18PM THE ONES THE INDEPENDENT ENGINEERS MENTIONED TODAY AND
12:04:21PM SCOPED PREMATURELY FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN YOU HEARD
12:04:25PM ABOUT FROM THE COMMISSIONERS TODAY.
12:04:26PM AS COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT IS YOUR FIDUCIARY DUTY TO ENSURE
12:04:29PM TAXPAYER DOLLARS ARE SPENT WISELY, UNLIKE THE CURRENT

12:04:33PM ADMINISTRATION, MANY OF THE STAFF WILL BE IN OFFICE AS THIS
12:04:36PM PROJECT UNFOLDS.
12:04:36PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:04:37PM >> THANK YOU.
12:04:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALLISON BURNS.
12:04:39PM NICHOLAS LORENZ.
12:04:41PM MS. STEPHANIE POYNOR.
12:04:43PM GOOD MORNING, MA'AM.
12:04:44PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:04:45PM >> MY NAME IS ALLISON BURNS.
12:04:47PM I WORK FOR BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
12:04:51PM ACTUALLY NO RELATION.
12:04:52PM MINE IS B-U-R-N-S.
12:04:55PM BUT I HAVE WORKED THERE NOW FOR 17 YEARS.
12:04:59PM IT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST JOB THAT I GOT ONCE I GRADUATED FROM
12:05:03PM COLLEGE.
12:05:04PM IT TOOK ME ABOUT TWO YEARS TO ACTUALLY GET BEHIND THE BAR
12:05:08PM AND BECOME THE SECOND FEMALE BARTENDER TO BE TAKING CARE OF
12:05:12PM GUESTS AND SERVING FULL ENTREES.
12:05:15PM IT WASN'T UNTIL LAST YEAR THAT I WAS ABLE TO START SERVING
12:05:20PM TABLES AFTER THEY ACTUALLY ALLOWED THE TABLES IN THE LOUNGE
12:05:24PM TO BE SERVED BECAUSE THEY CLOSED IT DOWN AND NOW WE'RE ABLE
12:05:27PM TO DO FULL DINNER SERVICE.
12:05:29PM SO IT'S TAKEN ME 17 YEARS, 16 YEARS TO BECOME A SERVER.
12:05:34PM AND TO SEE THAT THERE COULD BE A THREAT TO THE ABILITY FOR

12:05:41PM THE WAY THAT I'VE BUILT MY ENTIRE LIFE, MY CAREER TO SERVE
12:05:45PM PEOPLE BECAUSE OF ROAD CLOSURES IS A LITTLE TERRIFYING.
12:05:50PM I AM ALSO THE ALLISON THAT KHADEEM MENTIONED BEFORE THAT HAS
12:05:55PM A LITTLE BABY BOY AT HOME WHO IS THE NEW LIGHT OF MY LIFE.
12:06:00PM IT'S ALSO CONCERNING THAT MY INCOME MIGHT BE AFFECTING THIS
12:06:05PM NEW VENTURE THAT I HAVE RAISING THE BEST BABY EVER.
12:06:10PM MORTIMER BURNS.
12:06:11PM HE'S AMAZING.
12:06:12PM I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A FACE TO ALL
12:06:18PM OF THE EMPLOYEES THAT YOU MIGHT BE THINKING OF WHEN YOU HEAR
12:06:21PM ABOUT ACTUAL PEOPLE ON HOWARD AVENUE THAT WE HAVE FAMILIES,
12:06:30PM AND THAT WE'RE TRYING AND WORKING REALLY HARD TO SUPPORT
12:06:33PM THEM AND THAT WHILE SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THEY CAN GO AND
12:06:36PM APPLY TO ANOTHER JOB AT THE STEAK HOUSE, IT IS A CAREER.
12:06:42PM YOU'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO ALL OF A SUDDEN START TO HAVE TO
12:06:46PM PLAN A DIFFERENT CAREER.
12:06:48PM SO I WOULD JUST ASK TO MAYBE CHOOSE A DIFFERENT ROUTE
12:06:54PM BECAUSE I KNOW THAT FLOODING IS AN ISSUE.
12:06:57PM I DEAL WITH IT.
12:06:59PM THANK YOU.
12:07:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:07:01PM NICHOLAS LORENZ.
12:07:05PM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
12:07:07PM JENNIFER FERNANDEZ.
12:07:08PM GOOD MORNING, SIR.

12:07:09PM >> I HAD THIS WRITTEN FOR GOOD MORNING, BUT IT'S CLEARLY
12:07:12PM AFTERNOON.
12:07:13PM GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
12:07:14PM MY NAME IS NICHOLAS LORENZ.
12:07:18PM I WORK AT BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
12:07:20PM I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO IMAGINE 300 COLLEAGUES STANDING
12:07:23PM BESIDE ME AND THEIR RESPECTIVE FAMILIES.
12:07:26PM MOST OF THEM LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.
12:07:32PM A FEW WEEKS OR A FEW MONTHS WITHOUT WORK WOULD BE
12:07:34PM CATASTROPHIC TO THESE FAMILIES AND TO MYSELF.
12:07:37PM BUT THIS IS A HOPEFUL TIME FRAME.
12:07:40PM THIS IS WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED.
12:07:42PM ANYONE WHO IS REALLY OBSERVANT OF GOVERNMENT WORKS KNOWS
12:07:47PM THIS TYPE OF PROJECT ENDS UP TAKING TWICE AS LONG AND
12:07:50PM COSTING TWICE AS MUCH.
12:07:52PM NOW, WE SYMPATHIZE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AT PARKLAND ESTATES.
12:07:55PM MANY OF THE RESIDENTS ARE REGULARS AND ARE CONSIDERED
12:07:58PM FAMILY.
12:07:59PM WE CAN RELATE TO THEIR EXPERIENCE.
12:08:00PM A NUMBER OF MY COLLEAGUES LOST THEIR HOMES.
12:08:03PM THEY FLOODED.
12:08:07PM AND MOST OF THEIR POSSESSIONS AS WELL.
12:08:09PM THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE TRYING TO REBUILD RIGHT NOW, AND
12:08:13PM SHOULD THIS PLAN GO FORTH AS SET, THEY WILL BE JOBLESS WHILE
12:08:18PM TRY TO PUT THEIR LIVES TOGETHER.

12:08:20PM PLEASE TAKE A REASONABLE APPROACH AND REVIEW OTHER AVENUES
12:08:24PM TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
12:08:25PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONSIDERATION.
12:08:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:08:29PM MRS. STEPHANIE POYNOR.
12:08:31PM JENNIFER FERNANDEZ.
12:08:32PM AND MAEGEN LUKA.
12:08:34PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:08:34PM STEPHANIE POYNOR.
12:08:35PM THE BIG FISH HERE, IN MY OPINION, YOU-ALL KNOW I'M CHEAP.
12:08:42PM I AM AS CHEAP AS THEY COME.
12:08:45PM I COME UP HERE AND SCREAM BLOODY MURDER ABOUT WHAT I THINK
12:08:48PM IS WASTEFUL SPENDING.
12:08:51PM IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, MAYBE WE HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY,
12:08:55PM BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING IS BUILT ON THIS LITTLE
12:08:58PM PIECE OF LAND RIGHT HERE.
12:09:01PM THERE'S ALREADY A FIVE BY TEN CULVERT UNDERNEATH IT.
12:09:05PM WHY IS IT ALREADY THERE?
12:09:06PM ALREADY MOVING MONEY?
12:09:07PM I DON'T KNOW.
12:09:09PM I JUST HANG OUT HERE.
12:09:11PM I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING.
12:09:12PM THESE QUESTIONS HAVE TO BE ANSWERED BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME
12:09:16PM LIKE THE DESCRIPTION AND I JUST TALKED TO CHIEF BENNETT
12:09:19PM ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT AGO, THIS SEEMS TO BE SET IN STONE

12:09:23PM AND THIS IS OPTIONAL.
12:09:25PM YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M GOING TO POINT OUT TO YOU THAT THE
12:09:28PM MacDILL 48 PLAN WAS APPROVED AT THE SAME TIME THIS ONE
12:09:33PM WAS.
12:09:33PM AND IT WAS A GREAT PLAN.
12:09:35PM IT WOULD HAVE WORKED EITHER WAY.
12:09:37PM BUT BY GIVING CITIZEN INPUT, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PARK WITH A
12:09:43PM BEAUTIFUL POND IN A BEAUTIFUL AREA, NOT JUST A CEMENT POND.
12:09:49PM BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT PEOPLE HAVE SET IT IN STONE THAT THIS
12:09:57PM IS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE.
12:09:58PM BUT YOU REALLY HAVE TO ASK YOURSELVES, WHAT ARE YOU VOTING
12:10:02PM ON?
12:10:02PM ARE YOU VOTING ON THE ROUTE?
12:10:05PM ARE YOU VOTING ON ALL OF THE ROUTE?
12:10:07PM THAT ON MONDAY NIGHT, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND.
12:10:11PM IF I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, NOBODY DOES.
12:10:14PM I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOMEBODY EXPLAIN WHY GOING STRAIGHT DOWN
12:10:17PM SWANN AFTER MR. BHIDE AND SEVERAL OF THE OTHER ENGINEERS ON
12:10:21PM MONDAY NIGHT SAYS THAT WATER DOESN'T TURN WELL.
12:10:25PM OKAY.
12:10:26PM LET'S NOT MAKE IT TURN.
12:10:28PM HOW MUCH WATER WILL THIS PROPOSAL DISPERSE?
12:10:32PM I SIMPLIFIED SOME OF CARROLL ANN'S QUESTIONS.
12:10:37PM FUNNY, WE SIT THERE AND THINK THE SAME THINGS.
12:10:39PM I'LL TELL YOU THIS, WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS ME AND SAYS MY

12:10:42PM FIVE-YEAR-OLD DISHWASHER IS NOT WORKING PROPERLY, YOU KNOW
12:10:46PM WHAT I TELL THEM?
12:10:48PM BUY A NEW ONE.
12:10:49PM DON'T FIX THE OLD ONE.
12:10:51PM IT IS A CRAP PLAN.
12:10:52PM YOU'LL WASTE MONEY AND END UP HAVING TO FIX IT AGAIN LATER.
12:10:55PM GUESS WHAT, THIS PROJECT KIND OF REMINDS ME OF THAT.
12:10:58PM IT'S BEEN SITTING ON THE BACK BURNER FOR THE LAST THREE
12:11:03PM YEARS, AND WE'VE SEEN THINGS ARE DIFFERENT NOW.
12:11:06PM I THINK THAT THIS PROJECT RIGHT HERE IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE
12:11:09PM WHY PUBLIC INPUT IS NECESSARY EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU DEVELOP
12:11:13PM SOMETHING.
12:11:14PM YOU KNOW WHY?
12:11:14PM BECAUSE THERE WERE ALL THESE PEOPLE HERE WHO SPOKE TODAY,
12:11:18PM THAT IT WON'T DO CRAP FOR THEIR FLOODING.
12:11:21PM IT WON'T DO ANYTHING FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ON THAT
12:11:25PM ROUTE.
12:11:26PM SO HOW CAN WE -- I KNOW PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED.
12:11:30PM THEY ARE SO, SO FRUSTRATED.
12:11:32PM BUT IF THIS DOESN'T DO ANYTHING FOR THEM, IT'S USELESS.
12:11:36PM WE'RE SPENDING $64 MILLION.
12:11:39PM MAYBE WE NEED TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON THE PROJECT AND DO IT
12:11:42PM RIGHT THE FIRST TIME.
12:11:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:11:44PM JENNIFER FERNANDEZ.

12:11:45PM MAEGEN LUKA.
12:11:47PM KIRA JEFFERSON OR KIRA JEFFERSON.
12:11:50PM GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:11:51PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:11:52PM >> HI.
12:11:52PM JENNIFER FERNANDEZ.
12:11:53PM AM MY HUSBAND, FRANK FERNANDEZ, WE OWN TWO BUSINESSES AND
12:12:00PM ONE BUILDING.
12:12:01PM 2503 WEST SWANN, CORNER OF SWANN AND AZEELE.
12:12:05PM WE OWN OUR LAW FIRM, WHICH EMPLOYS SIX PEOPLE.
12:12:10PM BUT WE ALSO JOIN TAMPA EXECUTIVE SUITES, THE WHOLE
12:12:13PM 8,000-SQUARE-FOOT BUILDING.
12:12:15PM THAT ENTITY HAS A TOTAL OF TEN BUSINESSES THAT OPERATE OUT
12:12:20PM OF OUR BUILDING WITH DOZENS OF EMPLOYEES.
12:12:23PM WE HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY DISPLACED FOR TWO MONTHS NOW FROM
12:12:28PM MILTON BECAUSE OF THE FAILURE OF THE STORMWATER DRAINS, EVEN
12:12:31PM THOUGH WE ARE, I THINK, 18 FEET ELEVATION.
12:12:35PM ALL 8,000 SQUARE FEET FLOODED.
12:12:37PM WE HAD TO RIP OUT ALL THE CARPET.
12:12:39PM WE HAD TO CALL OUR TENANTS THE DAY AFTER THE STORM AND SAY
12:12:43PM COME GET YOUR THINGS OUT OF THE BUSINESSES.
12:12:45PM WE HAVE A MEMORABILIA COLLECTOR AND SALESMAN.
12:12:50PM HIS OFFICES WERE COMPLETELY PACKED WITH INVENTORY.
12:12:53PM WE HAD TO HAVE THEM COME THERE ON THE WEEKEND AND SAY PLEASE
12:12:56PM COME GET YOUR STUFF.

12:12:57PM WE'VE GOT TO START RIPPING OUT CARPET TOMORROW.
12:13:00PM WE'RE WIRING MONEY TO SERVE PRO TO COME IN THERE BEFORE THE
12:13:04PM MOLD STARTS AND BEFORE ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN
12:13:07PM FLOODED WILL BE IMPACTED.
12:13:08PM WE'RE STILL OUT OF THE BUSINESS.
12:13:10PM WE'LL BE BACK IN HOPEFULLY NEXT WEEK AFTER ALL OF THESE
12:13:14PM PEOPLE, ALL OF THESE DOZENS OF PEOPLE AND TEN BUSINESSES IN
12:13:19PM TOTAL HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO WORK, COMPLETELY DISPLACED FOR TWO
12:13:25PM MONTHS.
12:13:25PM IT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM.
12:13:28PM I TRULY, TRULY SYMPATHIZE WITH THE EMPLOYEES THAT ARE HERE
12:13:33PM AND ARE FEARFUL OF WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS IF WE MOVE FORWARD
12:13:37PM WITH THIS PROJECT, WHICH I URGE YOU TO DO.
12:13:39PM I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, BUT LIKE DR. ABDONEY DURING THE
12:13:46PM COVID SHUTDOWN AND THE PAST TWO MONTHS, WE'VE CONTINUED TO
12:13:50PM PAY OUR EMPLOYEES.
12:13:51PM THAT'S WHAT YOU DO.
12:13:52PM YOU WORK AROUND IT.
12:13:54PM AND WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
12:13:58PM THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE IMPACTED, I'M ASKING THE COUNCIL,
12:14:02PM DON'T TAKE YOUR EYE OFF OF WHAT HAS ALREADY HAPPENED TO THE
12:14:06PM RESIDENTS AND THE BUSINESSES WHO HAVE BEEN SHUT DOWN FOR TWO
12:14:10PM MONTHS BECAUSE OF THIS PARADE OF POTENTIAL HORRIBLES THAT
12:14:14PM MIGHT HAPPEN AND LIKELY WILL NOT HAPPEN TO THE EXTENT THEY
12:14:18PM ARE BEING EXAGGERATED TODAY FOR THE PURPOSE OF ASKING FOR

12:14:21PM YET ANOTHER DELAY AND SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ON THE BOOKS
12:14:25PM AND READY TO BE FUNDED FOREVER.
12:14:28PM PLEASE, I URGE YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT SO WE DON'T
12:14:32PM CONTINUE TO HAVE SUCH A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON OUR BUILDINGS.
12:14:35PM THANK YOU.
12:14:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:14:36PM MAEGEN LUKA.
12:14:37PM KIRA JEFFERSON.
12:14:40PM MENTESNOT.
12:14:43PM >> MAEGEN LUKA.
12:14:45PM I ASK THAT YOU TURN ON THE OVERHEAD, PLEASE.
12:14:47PM IF THIS IS WHAT HOWARD AVENUE LOOKED LIKE TEN TIMES A YEAR,
12:14:56PM IF BERN'S AND THE EPICUREAN HAD ALMOST TWO FEET OF SEWAGE
12:15:00PM WATER FLOOD THEIR BUSINESSES SO THEY RIPPED EVERYTHING DOWN
12:15:03PM TO THE STUDS, THREW AWAY EVERY PIECE OF KITCHEN EQUIPMENT
12:15:07PM AND CLOSED FOR MONTHS WHILE SPENDING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
12:15:09PM OF DOLLARS TO REBUILD WITHOUT ANY KIND OF WARNING THAT THAT
12:15:12PM FINANCIAL IMPACT WAS COMING, IT WOULDN'T TAKE THIS CITY
12:15:15PM COUNCIL NINE YEARS TO START A PROJECT TO HELP THEM.
12:15:19PM THE SUGGESTION THAT THIS PROJECT SHOULD BE DELAYED BECAUSE
12:15:24PM OTHER REMEDIES ARE AVAILABLE IS NOT SUPPORTED.
12:15:27PM YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THAT EVIDENCE.
12:15:28PM IN FACT, IF YOU GO TALK TO THE CITY ENGINEERS, BECAUSE I
12:15:31PM ASKED YESTERDAY, HOW MUCH ACREAGE WOULD YOU NEED FOR A
12:15:35PM RETENTION POND FOR JUST A SUMMER STORM?

12:15:37PM THEY SAID FIVE ACRES.
12:15:39PM PARKLAND ESTATES, AVERAGE LOT IS .2 ACRES.
12:15:41PM THAT MEANS YOU NEED 25 NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE IN A ROW ALL
12:15:45PM AROUND EACH OTHER TO BE WILLING TO SELL THEIR HOMES AT CITY
12:15:49PM PRICES IN ORDER TO CREATE LAND.
12:15:53PM THAT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.
12:15:54PM THE REQUEST FOR 120-DAY PAUSE BEING MADE ON THE DAY YOU WERE
12:15:58PM ASKED TO VOTE IS INFURIATING.
12:16:02PM THIS THING HAS BEEN GOING ON.
12:16:03PM YOU HEARD SINCE AT LEAST JUNE, WHERE WERE THOSE OFFERS THEN?
12:16:07PM THE DELAY IS UNACCEPTABLE.
12:16:09PM AND MORE TO THE POINT, TODAY IS NOT ABOUT PICKING A ROUTE.
12:16:13PM THE CITY INPUT, THE BUSINESSES, THE HOMEOWNERS, THEY CAN
12:16:18PM PROVIDE THAT.
12:16:18PM KIMMINS HAS PROMISED THEY WANT TO HEAR IT.
12:16:21PM NO ROUTE HAS BEEN CHOSEN.
12:16:23PM WHAT YOU ARE VOTING TO APPROVE IS A CONTRACT TO ALLOW ATKINS
12:16:26PM THE ENGINEER AND KIMMINS THE CONTRACTOR TO COLLABORATE WITH
12:16:29PM EACH OTHER TO PICK THE BEST ROUTE BASED ON INPUT.
12:16:31PM WHAT YOU ARE VOTING ON TODAY IS SIMPLY TO MOVE FORWARD.
12:16:34PM I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS THE LETTER THAT WAS WRITTEN BY
12:16:37PM A LAW FIRM LAST NIGHT TO TRY TO THREATEN LEGAL ACTION
12:16:41PM AGAINST YOU.
12:16:41PM IF THERE WAS A WAY AROUND SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY FOR A PLANNING
12:16:45PM DECISION, I WOULD LEAD THE CHARGE OF THE 250 HOMEOWNERS AND

12:16:49PM BUSINESSES THAT FLOODED, BUT THERE'S NOT.
12:16:52PM AND THE ATTORNEY WHO WROTE THAT KNOWS BETTER.
12:16:53PM ALL OF THIS IS A CIRCUS SIDE SHOW.
12:16:58PM LIKE I SAID, WHAT YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE TODAY,
12:17:02PM PLEASE, STAY FOCUSED ON THE NARROW ITEM.
12:17:06PM IT IS AN INITIAL SERVICES CONTRACT IN THE AMOUNT OF
12:17:08PM $7.7 MILLION.
12:17:10PM THE ROUTE HAS NOT BEEN CHOSEN.
12:17:12PM ALLOW THE INPUT.
12:17:14PM BUT, PLEASE, IF YOU APPROVE THIS PROJECT TODAY, IT WILL NOT
12:17:18PM BE COMPLETED UNTIL 2029, WHICH MEANS ALL OF US IN THESE
12:17:22PM WHITE SHIRTS WILL HOLD OUR BREATH FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS
12:17:25PM EVERY TIME IT RAINS.
12:17:27PM WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER DAY, LET ALONE THE MONTHS
12:17:32PM THAT PEOPLE ARE ASKING YOU TO WAIT TO GIVE YOU INFORMATION
12:17:34PM THAT THEY COULD HAVE GIVEN YOU FOR THE LAST NINE YEARS.
12:17:37PM I WOULD ASK THAT YOU PLEASE APPROVE THE CONTRACT SO THAT THE
12:17:41PM ENGINEERS AND KIMMINS CAN GET TO WORK.
12:17:43PM THANK YOU.
12:17:43PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:17:44PM KIRA JEFFERSON.
12:17:47PM MENTESNOT.
12:17:48PM GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:17:48PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:17:49PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

12:17:50PM I'M KIRA JEFFERSON.
12:17:52PM I'M WITH BERN'S.
12:17:53PM BERN'S FINE WINE AND SPIRITS AND HAVEN.
12:17:56PM WORKED WITH THE COMPANY FOR OVER 20 YEARS NOW.
12:17:59PM GROWN MY CAREER IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:18:01PM COMMUTED TO SOUTH TAMPA.
12:18:03PM I'M ALSO -- MY HUSBAND AND I OWN SEVERAL PROPERTIES ACROSS
12:18:08PM THE CITY AND HAVE BEEN VERY MUCH IMPACTED BY THE RECENT
12:18:12PM STORMS AND OVER THE YEARS BY THE STORMS, BOTH AT WORK AND IN
12:18:15PM OUR RENTALS.
12:18:18PM WE LOST TWO HOMES.
12:18:19PM ONE COMPLETELY TO HELENE AND ONE COMPLETELY TO MILTON.
12:18:22PM TO THINK THAT THERE'S NOT SYMPATHY AND CONCERN FOR OUR
12:18:29PM NEIGHBORS, IT'S JUST REALLY GUT WRENCHING TO HEAR THE
12:18:32PM FRUSTRATION AND FEAR AND HATRED THAT'S COMING TOWARDS THE
12:18:38PM ESTABLISHMENTS.
12:18:40PM IT'S NOT THAT WE WANT TO STOP PROGRESS AND GROWTH IN OUR
12:18:45PM NEIGHBORHOOD TOO.
12:18:47PM WE WANT A VOICE FOR THE INDIVIDUALS COMMUTING THERE AND LIVE
12:18:52PM IN OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS AND HAVE EXPERIENCED LOSS AS WELL.
12:18:54PM I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR 293 INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR LIVELIHOOD
12:19:01PM EVERY DAY.
12:19:02PM I'M THE 294th EMPLOYEE AT BERN'S.
12:19:06PM THAT'S HOW MANY PEOPLE TRANSFER IN.
12:19:08PM 122 OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS WORK ON GRATUITIES.

12:19:13PM THERE IS NO PAYING THEM WHILE WORK IS OUT OR BUSINESS VOLUME
12:19:17PM IS DIMINISHED.
12:19:19PM THAT IS AN OPTION FOR SMALLER BUSINESSES ON HOWARD AND I
12:19:22PM UNDERSTAND THAT.
12:19:23PM BUT I'VE BEEN THROUGH COVID AND THE LAYOFFS.
12:19:27PM AND WITHOUT THOSE MONIES COMING IN, THERE ARE NO MONIES TO
12:19:31PM PROVIDE TO GO OUT AS A BUSINESS.
12:19:33PM THAT'S ASKING MORE THAN I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND IS EVEN
12:19:38PM POSSIBLE.
12:19:39PM THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS I HOPE TO POINT ON IF I
12:19:43PM HAVE TIME.
12:19:44PM THERE HASN'T BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW THIS IMPACTS PAST THE
12:19:50PM CONSTRUCTION PHASE.
12:19:51PM THERE'S NOT AN IMMEDIATE REVIVAL OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:19:53PM PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY ESTABLISHED NEW REGULAR PLACES TO VISIT,
12:19:59PM NEW REGULAR PEOPLE TO SEE.
12:20:01PM THEY ARE GOING TO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS NOW.
12:20:03PM AND WE'VE LOST IRREPLACEABLE EMPLOYEES.
12:20:07PM WE HAVE A 40-YEAR TENURED PASTRY COOK IN OUR KITCHEN.
12:20:12PM SHE IS EITHER GOING TO CHOOSE TO RETIRE BECAUSE SHE HAS NO
12:20:16PM CHOICE, BUT SHE'S NOT GOING TO GO FIND ANOTHER JOB THAT'S
12:20:20PM SIMILAR.
12:20:20PM AND IF SHE DOES, SHE WILL UNFORTUNATELY NOT COME BACK.
12:20:25PM THESE PEOPLE WITH THE HISTORY AND THE NUANCES OF THE
12:20:30PM PRODUCTS WE PROVIDE, MR. LAXER WAS COMPLETELY RESPONSIBLE IN

12:20:34PM ASKING ABOUT HIS WINE COLLECTION.
12:20:36PM THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES US SPECIAL, MAKES SOUTH
12:20:40PM HOWARD SPECIAL, AND MAKES THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIAL.
12:20:43PM IT'S JUST ONE OF THEM.
12:20:44PM WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SAY IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN PEOPLE'S
12:20:48PM HOMES, BUT WE WANT TO BE HEARD, THE 294 INDIVIDUALS THAT
12:20:54PM DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS WE NEED.
12:20:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:20:56PM >> THANK YOU.
12:20:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MENTESNOT.
12:20:58PM GREG CAMPBELL.
12:21:00PM MATTHEW RICH.
12:21:02PM GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.
12:21:03PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:21:04PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:21:04PM MENTESNOT.
12:21:05PM SAY UHURU, MEANS FREEDOM IN SWAHILI.
12:21:11PM MENTESNOT MEANS ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
12:21:12PM IF YOU CAN STOP THE TIME FOR A SECOND.
12:21:14PM ONE THING YOU GUYS NEED TO DO IS HAVE A SIGN-IN SHEET VERSUS
12:21:18PM THE CARDS YOU HAVE BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE BEING SKIPPED AND
12:21:22PM WHATSOEVER, WHATSOEVER.
12:21:24PM THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE.
12:21:25PM ONE THING I LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS DISRESPECT AND
12:21:28PM INSENSITIVITY.

12:21:30PM WHAT HAPPENED TODAY WITH THE COUNCILMEN WAS VERY
12:21:34PM DISRESPECTFUL.
12:21:37PM AND WHAT HAPPENED TODAY WITH THE GENTLEMAN THAT WAS GIVEN
12:21:40PM THE AWARD THAT WAS VERY INSENSITIVE AND NOBODY SAID ANYTHING
12:21:46PM ABOUT IT.
12:21:47PM IT'S NOTHING INSENSITIVITY TOWARDS A PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY
12:21:51PM CHALLENGED IS THE WAY THAT MR. DAVID ROWLAND WAS RUDELY
12:21:57PM INTERRUPTED AND USHERED AWAY FROM THE PODIUM BY THE CHIEF
12:22:02PM JUDGE.
12:22:02PM IF YOU NOTICED IT OR IF YOU DIDN'T NOTICE IT, THAT IS THE
12:22:06PM WORST WAY YOU CAN TREAT SOMEONE WITH A DISABILITY.
12:22:09PM AND THAT'S VERY, VERY INSENSITIVE.
12:22:12PM THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT IS SELFISHNESS.
12:22:18PM WE AS AFRICAN PEOPLE, WE DESERVE 26% OF THE CITY BUDGET.
12:22:22PM RETROACTIVELY.
12:22:25PM ALONG WITH THAT SELFISHNESS, INNER SENSITIVITY, I THINK IT'S
12:22:32PM INTERESTING TO SEE HOW PEOPLE COME DOWN HERE AND TALK ABOUT
12:22:35PM THEIR INTEREST, THEIR SELFLESS INTERESTS IF IT'S FROM BERN'S
12:22:43PM STEAK HOUSE, DONE A LOT FOR THE COMMUNITY AND PEOPLE OR FOR
12:22:46PM THE RESIDENTS.
12:22:47PM I THINK I HEARD TWO PEOPLE SAID IT BEST.
12:22:49PM MY BUSINESS, WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE PARKING LOT TO
12:22:55PM JUST TO KEEP FROM CALLING THE POLICE, HEY, MAN, ACCIDENT.
12:22:59PM TAKE YOUR CAR, WHATSOEVER, WHATSOEVER, SEND ME THE BILL.
12:23:03PM I'LL TAKE CARE OF IT.

12:23:04PM I DON'T HAVE IT LIKE THAT.
12:23:05PM HEARD TWO PEOPLE SAY, HEY, WE'RE STILL PAYING OUR EMPLOYEES.
12:23:10PM BERN'S STEAK HOUSE AND OWNERS HAVE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
12:23:12PM WHY ARE THEY DOWN HERE CRYING ABOUT, BECAUSE THAT HOW
12:23:15PM CAPITALISM WORK.
12:23:17PM CRYING ABOUT WHO IS NOT GOING TO HAVE A JOB.
12:23:19PM THAT MEANS THEY HAVE THE EMPLOYEES TERRIFIED.
12:23:22PM YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE YOUR JOB BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO DO
12:23:25PM SOME CONSTRUCTION?
12:23:25PM THAT MAKES NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.
12:23:30PM BUT THE INSENSITIVITY COMES WHEN YOU SEE HOW WHITE PEOPLE
12:23:34PM OPERATE.
12:23:35PM YOU SEE HOW RACISM OPERATE.
12:23:37PM WHEN PEOPLE ARE DOWN CRYING ABOUT SOME WATER FALLING IN
12:23:40PM THEIR HOMES, AND WHEN THERE ARE BOMBS FALLING OVER PALESTINE
12:23:46PM EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE YEAR.
12:23:50PM BOMBS FALLING OVER PALESTINE AND PEOPLE ARE CRYING OVER SOME
12:23:54PM WATER GETTING IN THEIR HOME.
12:23:56PM THAT'S VERY INSENSITIVE.
12:23:58PM THIS CITY COUNCIL NEED TO HAVE A RESOLUTION ON PALESTINE.
12:24:02PM THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO DO.
12:24:04PM NO IFS, ANDS OR BUTS.
12:24:06PM WE ARE 26% OF THE POPULATION.
12:24:08PM WE NEED 26% OF THE CITY BUDGET.
12:24:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

12:24:11PM GREG CAMPBELL.
12:24:13PM MATTHEW RICH.
12:24:14PM NATALIE WILSON.
12:24:16PM GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.
12:24:17PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:24:19PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:24:19PM THANK YOU.
12:24:19PM I WAS NOT PLANNING TO SPEAK.
12:24:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:24:27PM >> EXCUSE ME.
12:24:27PM THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY FIRST.
12:24:29PM GREG CAMPBELL.
12:24:31PM I LIVE ON THE CORNER OF FOUNTAIN BOULEVARD AND AUDUBON AND
12:24:35PM THE BACK CORNER IS SWANN AND AUDUBON.
12:24:39PM I HAVE KNOWN THAT PROPERTY -- I HAVE OWNED THAT PROPERTY FOR
12:24:42PM 71 YEARS NOW.
12:24:44PM SINCE 1953 WHEN MY PARENTS BOUGHT IT WHEN I WAS A BOY.
12:24:51PM ACROSS THE YEARS, THE WEATHER HAS BEEN VERY MUCH AS IT HAS
12:24:55PM BEEN.
12:24:57PM RECENTLY, A LOT OF SUMMER AFTERNOON THUNDERSTORMS AND HIGH
12:25:01PM WATER IN THAT LOCATION EVERY YEAR.
12:25:05PM OCCASIONALLY A HURRICANE THAT REALLY HITS US.
12:25:09PM THE WORST ONE WE EVER HAD WAS MILTON.
12:25:12PM FIRST TIME WATER EVER GOT IN THE HOUSE.
12:25:16PM MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN OUT NOW THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AS

12:25:19PM THINGS GET PUT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN.
12:25:22PM BUT THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE BACK IN THE EARLY '60s THAT CAME
12:25:27PM VERY, VERY CLOSE TO MILTON.
12:25:31PM THINGS DON'T CHANGE THAT TERRIBLY MUCH ACROSS THE YEARS.
12:25:36PM IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER YEARS TO LOOK ACROSS.
12:25:39PM NOW THAT THE CITY FEELS THAT IT'S ABLE TO BEGIN TO DO
12:25:46PM SOMETHING ABOUT THIS, THAT'S REALLY A WONDERFUL THING.
12:25:51PM THE MONEY COMMITMENT, THE PLANNING OR THE REST.
12:25:55PM WE SHOULD BE HAPPY, BUT INSTEAD WE ARE DISTRESSED.
12:26:03PM THERE IS FEAR.
12:26:04PM THERE IS ANGUISH AMONG SOME.
12:26:07PM IT IS REFLECTED IN THESE COMMENTS IN THE MEETING.
12:26:10PM I WAS NOT PLANNING TO, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, TO SPEAK.
12:26:13PM NO NOTES, BUT TWO FRIENDS WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY SPOKEN ASKED
12:26:18PM ME TO DO SO.
12:26:19PM THEY ARE RESIDENTS.
12:26:21PM ONE HAS RECENTLY HAD WATER IN HER HOUSE.
12:26:24PM THE OTHER ONE HAS SANDBAGS IN FRONT OF HER FRONT DOOR.
12:26:28PM THEY STILL DO NOT WANT TO SEE THIS GO THROUGH.
12:26:33PM THEY SPOKE IN FAVOR OF A DELAY.
12:26:36PM THEY WANTED ME TO DO SO.
12:26:37PM WHAT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS FOR US TO KNOW WHY THAT
12:26:42PM IS THE CASE.
12:26:44PM WHAT I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO STRESS TO YOU, MY OPINION, WHERE
12:26:50PM YOUR HELP REALLY CAN BE USEFUL.

12:26:53PM YOU MAKE DECISIONS, BUT YOU CAN HELP US BEYOND JUST MAKING
12:26:56PM DECISIONS.
12:26:56PM AND THAT IS TO ENCOURAGE COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE MOBILITY
12:27:02PM DEPARTMENT AND THE PEOPLES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
12:27:06PM YES, THERE ARE THREE ROUTES THAT ARE OUTLINED ON THE MAP.
12:27:11PM THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF RUMORS AND FEARS ABOUT THOSE.
12:27:15PM PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMBIENCE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD,
12:27:19PM THE LOSS OF THE TREE CANOPY WOULD BE A DECADES-LONG LOSS.
12:27:24PM IT US THAT REALLY HAVE TO TAKE PLACE OR ARE THERE OTHER
12:27:28PM ROUTES?
12:27:28PM THE ROUTE IS THE ALL-IMPORTANT ISSUE IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
12:27:34PM THE ROUTE OF THE SEWER LINES.
12:27:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:27:37PM >> THAT IS THE WHOLE THING.
12:27:39PM PLEASE WATCH IT.
12:27:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:27:41PM I'VE ALREADY CALLED UP MATTHEW RICH, NATALIE WILSON.
12:27:45PM THEN WE'LL HAVE TAMMY BALDWIN.
12:27:48PM I ALREADY CALLED UP MATTHEW RICH AND NATALIE WILSON.
12:27:51PM TAMMY BALDWIN.
12:27:58PM >> MATTHEW RICH.
12:27:59PM GENERAL MANAGER OF HAVEN.
12:28:01PM ON THE CORNER OF SOUTH HOWARD AND WEST MORRISON.
12:28:04PM I LOOK AROUND TODAY AND I SEE A COMMUNITY, NEIGHBORS AGAINST
12:28:10PM NEIGHBORS, BUSINESSES AGAINST RESIDENTS.

12:28:13PM BUSINESSES AGAINST BUSINESSES.
12:28:16PM WE AS A COMMUNITY WANT A SOLUTION TO THESE ISSUES.
12:28:21PM WE ARE ASKING FOR 120 DAYS TO LOOK INTO OTHER SOLUTIONS.
12:28:27PM THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY CANNOT SURVIVE CLOSURES THAT ARE
12:28:34PM THREE TO FIVE MONTHS PLUS.
12:28:36PM PEOPLE GO TO THE RESTAURANTS TO ESCAPE THE STRESSES OF LIFE.
12:28:41PM NO ONE WILL BE WILLING TO SIGN UP TO ADD STRESS TO THEIR
12:28:47PM LIFE, TO TRY TO MAKE IT TO A RESTAURANT.
12:28:50PM I'VE SEEN THE EFFECTS OF THESE KIND OF CLOSURES IN NEW YORK
12:28:54PM CITY, TO INSTITUTIONS THAT WERE THERE.
12:28:59PM FOR 90 PLUS YEARS.
12:29:01PM RESTAURANTS DON'T SURVIVE THESE KIND OF THINGS.
12:29:03PM THE EMPLOYEES WHO WORK IN PLACES LIKE THIS, THEY NEED THE
12:29:11PM PEOPLE.
12:29:12PM THERE ARE TOO MANY LOGISTICS INVOLVED IN HERE, HEARD MANY
12:29:17PM PEOPLE TALK ABOUT THE SHIPMENTS COMING IN AND VERY FEW
12:29:20PM TALKING ABOUT THE WASTE GOING OUT.
12:29:22PM IF THE CLOSURES ON THESE ROADS DON'T SHUT DOWN THE
12:29:26PM BUSINESSES, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ENOUGH GOLF CARTS TO
12:29:29PM REMOVE THE TRASH AND RUBBISH THAT WILL PILE UP ALL
12:29:33PM THROUGHOUT THAT COMMUNITY.
12:29:35PM IT WILL LOOK LIKE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY ON THAT STREET IF
12:29:40PM ANYTHING SURVIVES.
12:29:41PM THE EMPLOYEES, THEY ARE NOT REPLACEABLE.
12:29:45PM IT TAKES THREE TO FIVE MONTHS ONCE YOU LOSE YOUR JOB.

12:29:48PM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE LOST A JOB BEFORE YOU FIND
12:29:51PM ONE THAT GENERATES THE SAME INCOME, IF YOU'RE LUCKY.
12:29:56PM 46% OF FLORIDA RESIDENTS LIVE PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK.
12:30:00PM ALMOST EVERYBODY IN THIS INDUSTRY LIVES THAT WAY ALSO.
12:30:05PM YOU'LL LOSE EMPLOYEES.
12:30:06PM THEY ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR HEALTH INSURANCE.
12:30:09PM IT TAKES A LONG TIME TO BUILD ANYTHING BACK UP THERE.
12:30:13PM SURE, ONCE IT'S DONE YEARS FROM NOW, THINGS WILL COME BACK,
12:30:16PM BUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY WILL BE DESTROYED.
12:30:18PM WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER AND FIND A BETTER SOLUTION TO THESE
12:30:23PM ISSUES THAT ARE CLEARLY MORE THOUGHT OUT.
12:30:26PM THANK YOU.
12:30:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:30:27PM NATALIE WILSON, TAMMY BALDWIN.
12:30:30PM IS NATALIE WILSON HERE?
12:30:32PM YES, MA'AM.
12:30:33PM COME UP.
12:30:33PM TAMMY BALDWIN FOLLOWED BY RILEY MURPHY?
12:30:40PM >> HI.
12:30:40PM NATALIE WILSON.
12:30:41PM I AM A SECOND GENERATION EMPLOYEE AT BERN'S STEAK HOUSE.
12:30:46PM THE SERVICE THAT I HAVE HAD AT BERN'S AND COMBINED WITH MY
12:30:51PM FATHER'S HAS BEEN LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN ALIVE.
12:30:57PM BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE MEMORABLE EXPERIENCES TO GUESTS,
12:31:01PM SOME OF WHICH ARE IN THIS ROOM, HAVE CELEBRATED SPECIAL

12:31:05PM OCCASIONS, BUSINESS MEETINGS, ANNIVERSARIES, WEDDINGS,
12:31:09PM BIRTHDAYS, IS SOMETHING THAT IS INGRAINED IN US.
12:31:14PM I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE IT NEEDED TO BE EXPLAINED EARLIER UNTIL A
12:31:20PM LITTLE WHILE AGO, BUT THE TWO AND A HALF WEEK CLOSURE THAT
12:31:25PM WE HAD FOR OUR KITCHEN AND BAR REMODEL IS A PLANNED,
12:31:30PM BUDGETED CLOSURE AND OUR EXECUTIVE TEAM AND OWNERS HAD
12:31:34PM OPPORTUNITIES TO PROVIDE THOSE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE DISPLACED
12:31:39PM TO OUR OTHER BUSINESSES, SUCH AS HAVEN, WHICH IS ALSO ALONG
12:31:42PM THE ROUTE THAT IS GOING TO BE CLOSED, WHETHER IT'S A PARTIAL
12:31:46PM CLOSURE OR A FULL CLOSURE.
12:31:47PM SO COMPARING A TWO AND A HALF WEEK CLOSURE TO PARTIAL AND
12:31:56PM FULL CLOSURES THAT WILL BE FOUR YEARS LONG, IS NOT SOMETHING
12:32:00PM THAT MAKES SENSE IN OUR WORLD OF BUSINESS.
12:32:04PM THE BERN'S RESTAURANT AND FAMILY BUSINESSES EMPLOY HUNDREDS
12:32:11PM OF PEOPLE, AND WE ALSO SERVE AS HUNDREDS OF OTHER LIQUOR AND
12:32:16PM WINE DISTRIBUTORS, PEOPLE THAT THEIR LIVELIHOODS ALSO RELY
12:32:20PM ON US REMAINING OPEN.
12:32:22PM CLOSING IMPACTS OUR LIVELIHOOD, NOT JUST BECAUSE WE ARE
12:32:30PM CLOSED, BUT -- CLOSE, BUT WE ARE A FAMILY.
12:32:33PM AS WORLD-RENOWNED AS BERN'S IS, WE ARE A VERY CLOSE-KNIT
12:32:37PM FAMILY RESTAURANT.
12:32:38PM OUTSIDE OF PARTIAL AND FULL ROAD CLOSURES, I HAVE CONCERN
12:32:45PM HOW THE GOLF CART SHUTTLE WILL REMAIN ADA COMPLIANT FOR BOTH
12:32:49PM OUR STAFF AND OUR GUESTS.
12:32:50PM WHEELCHAIR, THAT DON'T HAVE THE PHYSICAL CAPABILITY OF

12:32:58PM ROLLING DOWN A SIDEWALK BE ABLE TO GET TO THE RESTAURANT IF
12:33:00PM IT IS A PARTIAL CLOSURE.
12:33:01PM HOW WILL OUR STAFF AND THOSE SAME GUESTS BE ABLE TO GET BACK
12:33:04PM TO WHEREVER THIS REMOTE PARKING LOT IS GOING TO BE,
12:33:08PM ESPECIALLY WHEN SOME OF OUR EMPLOYEES GET OUT AT 2:00 OR
12:33:11PM 3:00 IN THE MORNING.
12:33:12PM I URGE YOU TO DELAY 120 DAYS SO WE CAN REASSESS A PROPER
12:33:25PM ROUTE, ONE THAT IS ABLE TO BOTH SAVE BUSINESSES AND MITIGATE
12:33:30PM THE FLOODING ISSUES.
12:33:32PM WE KNOW THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE IN SOUTH HOWARD.
12:33:34PM WE KNOW THAT SOUTH TAMPA HAS A FLOODING ISSUE.
12:33:38PM AND I THINK BUSINESSES KNOW THAT.
12:33:40PM WE ARE NOT TRYING TO STOP THAT.
12:33:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:33:43PM >> THANK YOU.
12:33:44PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: TAMMY BALDWIN.
12:33:47PM RILEY MURPHY.
12:33:48PM MS. ROBIN LOCKETT.
12:33:51PM >> I'M TAMMY BALDWIN.
12:33:53PM MY SON JONATHAN BALDWIN IS AN EMPLOYEE AT BERN'S STEAK
12:33:57PM HOUSE.
12:33:58PM HE'S BEEN THERE APPROXIMATELY EIGHT YEARS NOW.
12:34:01PM I ADMIT I'M LATE TO THIS PARTY.
12:34:02PM I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT ALL THIS YESTERDAY, ALTHOUGH I'VE
12:34:06PM LIVED IN TAMPA FOR OVER 40 YEARS, MY HUSBAND FOR 65.

12:34:10PM WE ALL KNOW THAT SOUTH HOWARD HAS A HUGE FLOODING PROBLEM,
12:34:14PM BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE.
12:34:17PM THE BERN'S FAMILY HAS INVESTED BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS AND
12:34:22PM MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO THIS COMMUNITY, AND IT'S ABOUT TIME
12:34:25PM THIS COMMUNITY LOOK AT GIVING BACK INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING.
12:34:30PM I WORKED FOR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION WITH ROADS AND
12:34:36PM CONSTRUCTION, AND THEY CAN SAY IT'S GOING TO TAKE FOUR
12:34:38PM MONTHS, FOUR YEARS, IT'S GOING TO TAKE TEN MORE THAN THAT,
12:34:41PM GENERALLY, AND COST BEAUCOUP BUCKS MORE.
12:34:44PM WE ALL KNOW THAT IS THE WAY IT WORKS.
12:34:48PM YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PICTURE -- I UNDERSTAND THE FAMILIES
12:34:51PM HAVE ISSUES WITH THEIR HOMES.
12:34:53PM LORD KNOWS I LIVE OUTSIDE CARROLLWOOD AND I STILL HAVE TO
12:34:57PM WORRY ABOUT THAT TOO.
12:34:59PM IT'S WORSE THERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER THE HUNDREDS OF
12:35:02PM EMPLOYEES, NOT JUST AT BERN'S, BUT AT EVERY BUSINESS OVER
12:35:06PM THERE, AND WHEN YOU CLOSE A ROAD AND HAVE DETOURS, WHO THE
12:35:09PM HECK WANTS TO DRIVE AROUND TILL YOU CAN FIND OUT WHERE THE
12:35:12PM HECK YOU ARE NOW AND GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING.
12:35:16PM THE DETOURS ARE GOING TO DIVERT ANY FUTURE CUSTOMER THAT
12:35:20PM THESE BUSINESSES HAVE, NOT JUST NOW WHEN IT'S GOING ON, BUT
12:35:24PM AS THEY PREVIOUSLY SAID, THEY ARE GOING TO GO ELSEWHERE AND
12:35:26PM THEY AIN'T COMING BACK.
12:35:28PM I ASK THAT YOU JUST BE CONSIDERATE AND LOOK AT THE WHOLE
12:35:34PM THING.

12:35:34PM IF THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS AND AIN'T BEEN FIGURED
12:35:38PM OUT, MAYBE SOMEBODY ELSE NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT.
12:35:42PM MAYBE THE COMPANIES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE PLANS AND DOING
12:35:46PM THE BLUEPRINTS, MAYBE THEY ARE NOT THE RIGHT FOLKS TO BE
12:35:50PM DOING IT NO MORE.
12:35:51PM MAYBE NEED A FRESH SET OF EYES.
12:35:53PM THE ENGINEERS THAT SIGN OFF ON THE BLUEPRINTS, ANOTHER
12:35:57PM GENTLEMAN SAID THEY ARE NOT GOING TO PUT THEIR BUSINESS,
12:36:00PM THEIR LOANS ON THE LINE.
12:36:01PM EVER HEARD OF CONSTRUCTION DEFECT LITIGATION?
12:36:04PM I WORK ON IT, SO I KNOW WELL ENOUGH ABOUT IT THAT, YEAH,
12:36:09PM THEY DO.
12:36:09PM THEY SIGN OFF ON THE BLUEPRINTS AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT
12:36:12PM PROJECT.
12:36:12PM THEY ARE NOT THERE WHEN THE CHAOS ENSUES AFTERWARDS.
12:36:18PM USE COMMON SENSE.
12:36:19PM WE ALL HAVE IT.
12:36:21PM I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
12:36:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
12:36:24PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:36:24PM RILEY MURPHY, ROBIN LOCKETT, VALERIE BULLOCK.
12:36:28PM GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR.
12:36:33PM PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.
12:36:34PM >> MY NAME IS RILEY MURPHY.
12:36:36PM I CURRENTLY WORK AT HAVEN AND HAVE BEEN WITH THE BERN'S

12:36:39PM STEAK HOUSE FOR OVER 16 YEARS NOW.
12:36:42PM I ALSO LIVE LESS THAN A MILE FROM THERE JUST NORTH OF SWANN
12:36:46PM ON NEWPORT AVENUE.
12:36:48PM I WAS RETICENT TO COME SPEAK TO YOU TODAY.
12:36:53PM THIS ISSUE IS BEYOND MY PURVIEW AND EXPERTISE.
12:36:57PM SPEAKING TO MY WIFE OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS, JUST
12:36:59PM WANTED TO PUT A FACE TO THE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF
12:37:01PM EMPLOYEES ALONG HOWARD AVENUE THAT WORK AT THE BUSINESSES
12:37:04PM THAT ARE NOT LAW FIRMS OR DOCTORS' OFFICES WHO HAVE A MUCH
12:37:08PM HIGHER OVERHEAD AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PAY THEIR EMPLOYEES
12:37:13PM IF AND WHEN THE ROAD CLOSURE ULTIMATELY STRANGLES THE LIFE
12:37:19PM FROM THESE BUSINESSES.
12:37:20PM BECAUSE AS I'VE HEARD A FEW PEOPLE SAY, WITH THE NUMEROUS
12:37:24PM OPTIONS AS FAR AS DINING AND ENTERTAINMENT ELSEWHERE AROUND
12:37:28PM THE CITY, PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO WANT TO GO THROUGH THE
12:37:30PM EXTRA HASSLE THAT IT TAKES TO REMOTE PARK AND THEN BE
12:37:34PM SHUTTLED IN THE RAIN AND THE HEAT VIA GOLF CART WHEN THEY
12:37:38PM HAVE HUNDREDS OF OTHER OPTIONS.
12:37:40PM MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA ALMOST TEN YEARS.
12:37:44PM WE WERE MARRIED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
12:37:46PM WE RELY ON MY INCOME FROM THIS JOB, MY HEALTH INSURANCE FROM
12:37:51PM THIS JOB.
12:37:52PM IF THE PROPOSED PLAN GOES FORWARD ON THE ROUTE THAT IT SEEMS
12:37:56PM LIKE IT'S HEADED, THAT'S NO LONGER GOING TO BE POSSIBLE.
12:38:00PM WE'VE BEEN MARRIED FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS.

12:38:02PM WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO STARTING A FAMILY SOON, AND IT
12:38:06PM TERRIFIES ME THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE IF YOU VOTE
12:38:11PM YES ON THIS TODAY.
12:38:13PM I URGE YOU AND IMPLORE YOU, PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THE
12:38:17PM LIVELIHOODS FROM PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY
12:38:20PM WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
12:38:21PM THANK YOU.
12:38:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:38:22PM MS. ROBIN LOCKETT.
12:38:24PM VALERIE BULLOCK.
12:38:25PM STEVE MICHELINI.
12:38:27PM I DON'T SEE VALERIE HERE.
12:38:28PM BUT I'LL CALL HER NAME AGAIN.
12:38:33PM >> ROBIN LOCKETT.
12:38:36PM GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
12:38:37PM BREAK THE CONVERSATION UP, TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
12:38:40PM ITEM NUMBER 53, THE SMOKING IN THE PARK, THE ORDINANCE YOU
12:38:48PM GUYS ARE GOING TO LOOK AT.
12:38:51PM I KNOW THAT THE STATE HAS PUT A MANDATE TO PREVENT SMOKING
12:38:57PM AND VAPING IN PARKS.
12:38:59PM YOU GUYS I'M ASSUMING HAVING -- YOU ARE HAVING A
12:39:02PM CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT TODAY.
12:39:03PM THE CONCERN I HAVE IS CRIMINALIZATION.
12:39:11PM I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN PUT SIGNS UP AND SAY, HEY, THIS AREA
12:39:15PM IS RESTRICTED.

12:39:17PM I DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT CITIZEN CITATIONS.
12:39:20PM BUT MY CONCERN IS ABOUT THE CRIMINALIZATION OF THIS.
12:39:24PM I WANT YOU GUYS TO TAKE A REAL LOOK AT MAKING A DECISION
12:39:28PM WHERE IT IS NOT -- YOU'RE NOT PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAILS.
12:39:31PM I READ THAT POSSIBLY GOING TO BE FINES AND SO FORTH.
12:39:36PM BUT REALLY LOOKING AT THIS.
12:39:38PM WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION AND THE WAY THINGS ARE GOING,
12:39:42PM PEOPLE WOULD BE PUT IN JAIL FOR A WHOLE LOT OF SIMPLE
12:39:45PM THINGS.
12:39:45PM I JUST WANT -- I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS TO JUST REALLY
12:39:50PM LET YOU GUYS KNOW JUST TO REALLY THINK ABOUT, BE THOUGHTFUL
12:39:54PM ABOUT THIS AND BE MINDFUL OF IT.
12:39:55PM THAT'S MY THING.
12:39:57PM YOU HAVE A BIG DECISION TO MAKE.
12:39:59PM YOU HAVE BUSINESSES, AND YOU HAVE HOMEOWNERS.
12:40:02PM WITH THIS FLOODING SITUATION.
12:40:05PM THERE IS A LOT GOING ON FOR YOU GUYS.
12:40:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YES, MA'AM.
12:40:11PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
12:40:12PM NEXT SPEAKER IS STEVE MICHELINI.
12:40:15PM I SEE KAMANO DORAN AND KEN WISE AND THAT WILL CONCLUDE
12:40:23PM PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:40:24PM >> STEVE MICHELINI.
12:40:25PM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE.
12:40:28PM I'D PREFER TO SHOW YOU WHY THIS IS A BAD PLAN, BUT REALLY,

12:40:34PM LET ME SPEAK FIRST THAT THIS PLAN DOESN'T ADDRESS PALMA CEIA
12:40:38PM PINES AT ALL.
12:40:39PM AND IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM AT PARKLAND ESTATES.
12:40:43PM IT ADDRESSES WHAT IS NORMALLY CALLED A FIVE-YEAR STORM,
12:40:47PM WHICH IS ABOUT THREE INCHES TO FIVE INCHES OF RAIN.
12:40:50PM THAT'S IT.
12:40:51PM THE TEN INCHES THAT WE HAD BEFORE THE HURRICANE, THE 14
12:40:55PM INCHES THAT WE HAD DURING THE HURRICANE AND THE WIND AND ALL
12:40:58PM THAT, THEY ARE STILL GOING TO FLOOD.
12:41:00PM BUT THERE ARE IMMEDIATE SOLUTIONS THAT CAN BE TAKEN.
12:41:04PM THEY DON'T INVOLVE HOWARD.
12:41:05PM THEY INVOLVE THE PUMP STATION THAT THE ENGINEERS TALKED
12:41:09PM ABOUT.
12:41:10PM IT'S IN THEIR REPORT.
12:41:12PM THEY TALK ABOUT IT.
12:41:14PM IT SAYS HERE DESIGNING STORMWATER INLETS TOO SMALL TO ACCEPT
12:41:19PM THE CAPACITY OF WATER.
12:41:20PM THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
12:41:22PM LOOK AT FIRST WHAT IS THE PROBLEM, WHAT CAUSED THIS TO
12:41:27PM HAPPEN.
12:41:28PM THE MAINTENANCE AND THE DESIGN OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM THAT
12:41:31PM EXISTS NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT.
12:41:33PM AND IT NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.
12:41:36PM BEFORE WE START TAKING ON $65 MILLION PROJECT, THAT HAS TO
12:41:41PM HAPPEN.

12:41:42PM IT SHOULD HAPPEN.
12:41:43PM THE USE OF A SHORT-TERM EVENT AND THE LACK OF INLET CAPACITY
12:41:48PM WAS AN ADDITIONAL CONCERN OF THE FLOODING AREAS.
12:41:51PM THIS IS FROM THE STORMWATER REPORT.
12:41:53PM IF THEY TELL YOU THAT THE ROUTE HASN'T BEEN CHOSEN, THIS IS
12:41:58PM THE PROJECT MAP.
12:42:00PM I DIDN'T MAKE IT UP.
12:42:03PM BRISTOL TO HOWARD.
12:42:05PM THAT'S IT.
12:42:06PM WHEN THEY COME DOWN HERE AND THEY TELL YOU AND EVERYONE IS
12:42:10PM SAYING, THEY ARE GOING TO EVALUATE THE DIFFERENT DESIGNS,
12:42:13PM THE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS CONTAINED IN THE REPORT THAT'S
12:42:16PM ATTACHED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA TODAY, THIS IS WHERE I
12:42:19PM GOT THAT FROM.
12:42:21PM THE ROUTE HAS BEEN CHOSEN.
12:42:24PM AND WHEN WE ASKED FOR YOU TO STEP BACK, PROVIDE A BETTER
12:42:28PM SOLUTION, GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING IN SOME
12:42:31PM INDEPENDENT ENGINEERS TO MEET WITH THE CITY.
12:42:34PM 120 DAYS.
12:42:36PM IT SEEMS LIKE A NO-BRAINER.
12:42:39PM THIS IS A DESIGN FOR THE PUMP STATION IN PARKLAND ESTATES.
12:42:42PM IT'S IN YOUR REPORT.
12:42:43PM BUT THEY SKIPPED RIGHT OVER IT.
12:42:45PM THE OTHER THING, HERE ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
12:42:51PM CONCLUSIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

12:42:53PM FROM THE REPORT.
12:42:56PM BASED ON THE DETAILS, THE CRITERIA FOR THE STATION,
12:43:00PM CONSTRUCTED AND SHOWN SHOULD BE DONE.
12:43:01PM THEY RECOMMENDED A PUMP STATION, ADDITIONAL RETENTION PONDS,
12:43:06PM INTERCONNECTING THE RETENTION PONDS THAT EXIST ON ARMENIA,
12:43:10PM THE ONES THAT EXIST ON BRISTOL AND ALBANY.
12:43:15PM AND THE ONE OVER IN OLD HYDE PARK VILLAGE.
12:43:20PM I'VE SPOKEN CSX.
12:43:22PM CITY HAS NOT BEEN IN TOUCH WITH THEM.
12:43:25PM HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT AN ALTERNATE ROUTE.
12:43:27PM CHOOSE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE.
12:43:28PM DO NOT APPROVE THIS CONTRACT.
12:43:30PM GIVE US 120 DAYS, PLEASE.
12:43:31PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU, SIR.
12:43:33PM KAMANO DORIAN.
12:43:36PM I DO NOT SEE THE PERSON.
12:43:40PM OUR LAST SPEAKER, KEN.
12:43:45PM >> HEY.
12:43:46PM GOOD AFTERNOON.
12:43:46PM KEN WISE.
12:43:49PM I WAS HERE ACTUALLY, EVERY WEEK AT YOUR LAST MEETING ON
12:43:57PM OCTOBER THE 17, FIRST ONE.
12:43:59PM I NOTICED THIS.
12:44:05PM WHY I CAME.
12:44:06PM CREATIVE LOAFING ARTICLE THAT DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING EXCEPT

12:44:10PM FLOODING.
12:44:11PM THEN I GO, OH, WOW, I NEED TO CHECK ON HOW THEY ARE DOING.
12:44:14PM I COME OVER HERE, I GO, WOW THAT CREATIVE LOAFING ARTICLE IS
12:44:19PM LIKE DOING RESTAURANT OR CLUB REVIEW.
12:44:22PM SOMEBODY PAID TO HAVE IT PUBLISHED.
12:44:24PM ANYWAY, IF YOU REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE, IT WAS
12:44:27PM ABOUT TREES.
12:44:31PM THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE FLOODING PROBLEMS, I FEEL FOR THEM.
12:44:35PM TINY, MINUSCULE PERCENTAGE OF THE POPULATION OF TAMPA.
12:44:39PM OVER A HALF MILLION PEOPLE WERE WITHOUT POWER.
12:44:42PM SOME FOR UP TO WEEKS.
12:44:44PM TECO HAS ALREADY SAID THEY ARE GOING TO ASK AND THEY WILL
12:44:47PM GET IT, PERMISSION TO CHARGE US A HALF A BILLION DOLLARS ON
12:44:52PM OUR ELECTRIC BILLS.
12:44:55PM OKAY.
12:44:56PM THIS WAS A CONFLUENCE FOR THE FLOODING OF A ONCE IN A
12:44:59PM MILLENNIUM SITUATION.
12:45:02PM WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE STORMS COME AND JUST DROP
12:45:07PM TREES LEFT AND RIGHT.
12:45:08PM WE NEED TO TAKE DOWN THE TREES.
12:45:13PM THAT SHOULD BE THE FIRST AND HIGHEST PRIORITY BECAUSE THIS
12:45:16PM IS A CAT 3, 70 MILES AWAY, A CAT 4 RIGHT UP THE BAY WE'LL BE
12:45:24PM LIKE PUERTO RICO.
12:45:25PM WON'T HAVE POWER GOING ON FOR MONTHS THEREAFTER.
12:45:27PM SO WHAT YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS GET YOUR PRIORITIES.

12:45:31PM YOU ONLY HAVE SO MUCH MONEY TO SPREAD AROUND.
12:45:34PM WHO IS IT GOING TO HELP THE MOST?
12:45:37PM GET THE TREES.
12:45:39PM EVERY TIME TECO SEES A TREE THAT NEEDS TRIMMING, LET THEM
12:45:43PM TAKE THE WHOLE THING DOWN.
12:45:46PM JUST WALKING AROUND MY NEIGHBORHOOD, FIRST, THERE WERE THE
12:45:48PM TREES THAT FELL.
12:45:49PM THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN I STARTED SEEING REAL HEALTHY TREES
12:45:53PM THAT WERE CUT UP.
12:45:54PM LIKE, OH, WOW, HERE IS MY CHANCE TO CUT DOWN A TREE THAT THE
12:46:00PM TREE HUGGING DEPARTMENT WOULDN'T LET ME DO PREVIOUSLY.
12:46:03PM GET THE CITY OF TAMPA TO HAUL IT OFF.
12:46:05PM WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS LET PEOPLE GET THE TREES DOWN.
12:46:09PM YOU CAN ALWAYS PLANT NEW TREES.
12:46:14PM FLOODING, I'M SURE.
12:46:15PM FLOODING, TALKING ABOUT STUFF THAT WILL COST, WHAT,
12:46:19PM BILLIONS.
12:46:19PM IF YOU JUST LET PEOPLE CUT THE TREES DOWN, THEY'LL DO IT ALL
12:46:23PM ON THEIR DIMES.
12:46:24PM GET OUT OF THEIR WAY AND LET THEM DO IT.
12:46:27PM AND THEN START ENCOURAGING THEM TO CUT DOWN THE ONES THAT
12:46:30PM YOU KNOW ARE GOING TO TAKE OUT HOUSES AND TAKE OUT OUR
12:46:34PM POWER.
12:46:34PM MAKE TREES, NOT FLOODING THE BIGGEST PRIORITY.
12:46:40PM BECAUSE IT WILL AFFECT THE MOST.

12:46:48PM THAT'S IT.
12:46:49PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.
12:46:50PM THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.
12:46:51PM ITEM 4 IS A BOARD APPOINTMENT.
12:46:57PM DO WE NEED MS. SHIRLEY FOXX-KNOWLES HERE?
12:47:00PM MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER 4.
12:47:04PM MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
12:47:05PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
12:47:06PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:47:06PM AYE.
12:47:07PM ANY OPPOSED.
12:47:10PM PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, 5-18.
12:47:11PM >>LUIS VIERA: SO MOVE 5-18.
12:47:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
12:47:14PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
12:47:16PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:47:16PM AYE.
12:47:17PM ANY OPPOSED.
12:47:18PM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
12:47:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: MOVE NEIGHBORHOOD AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS
12:47:21PM 19-27.
12:47:23PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
12:47:24PM HENDERSON.
12:47:25PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
12:47:26PM ALL IN FAVOR?

12:47:26PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:47:27PM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
12:47:29PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE ITEMS 28-32.
12:47:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
12:47:34PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN VIERA.
12:47:35PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:47:35PM AYE.
12:47:36PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:47:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: [INAUDIBLE]
12:47:39PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
12:47:40PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
12:47:41PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:47:42PM AYE.
12:47:42PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:47:43PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
12:47:44PM >>BILL CARLSON: I MOVE 38-49.
12:47:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
12:47:49PM SECOND FROM MIRANDA.
12:47:50PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:47:50PM AYE.
12:47:51PM ANY OPPOSED?
12:47:51PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
12:47:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I MOVE ITEMS 50-52.
12:47:55PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
12:47:57PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.

12:47:58PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:47:59PM AYE.
12:47:59PM ALL RIGHT.
12:48:01PM WE'RE GOING TO DO --
12:48:11PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I WILL MOVE WHAT SHE SAID.
12:48:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 56, CAN I GET A MOTION?
12:48:18PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WE CAN DO THEM ALL TOGETHER.
12:48:19PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT 56, 57, 61 --
12:48:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: 55, DECEMBER 5.
12:48:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SOMEONE MAKE THE MOTION?
12:48:31PM WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK FOR.
12:48:36PM >>LYNN HURTAK: 56, 57, 61, 62 AND -- YES --
12:48:45PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THAT'S IT.
12:48:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
12:48:48PM HURTAK AND SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
12:48:51PM ALL IN FAVOR?
12:48:51PM AYE.
12:48:52PM WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:00.
12:48:56PM WE WILL COME BACK WITH ITEM NUMBER 53 AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO
12:49:01PM THE REST OF THE AGENDA.
12:49:02PM WE ARE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:00.
12:49:05PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
12:49:05PM [LUNCH RECESS]
2:03:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
2:03:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: HERE.

2:03:05PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HERE.
2:03:06PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: HERE.
2:03:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: PRESENT.
2:03:09PM >> VIERA?
2:03:09PM MIRANDA?
2:03:10PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: HERE.
2:03:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE.
2:03:11PM >>THE CLERK: WE HAVE A PHYSICAL QUORUM.
2:03:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM NUMBER 53.
2:03:15PM MR. SHELBY, DO WE NEED PUBLIC COMMENT ON NUMBER 53?
2:03:20PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: NO.
2:03:21PM YOU'VE TAKEN PUBLIC COMMENT FOR EVERYTHING TODAY.
2:03:23PM THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS.
2:03:24PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: OKAY.
2:03:24PM JUST CHECKING.
2:03:25PM YES, MA'AM.
2:03:26PM HELLO.
2:03:27PM >> GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL.
2:03:28PM [INAUDIBLE]
2:03:30PM ITEM 53 IS THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CITY
2:03:34PM OF TAMPA CODE OF ORDINANCES TO PROHIBIT SMOKING AND VAPING
2:03:37PM IN CITY PARKS.
2:03:38PM WE HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM, IF THEY COULD
2:03:42PM PULL UP THE PowerPoint.
2:03:44PM I'LL JUST COVER QUICKLY THE LEGAL BASIS AND THEN HAND IT

2:03:48PM OVER TO DIRECTOR WASHINGTON TO COMPLETE THE PRESENTATION.
2:03:53PM SO THE CITY'S LEGAL AUTHORITY TO PROHIBIT SMOKING AND VAPING
2:03:56PM IN ITS PARKS IS DERIVED FROM SECTION 386.209 FLORIDA
2:04:01PM STATUTES.
2:04:01PM THE STATUTE SPECIFICALLY CARVES OUT AN EXCEPTION PREVENTING
2:04:05PM MUNICIPALITIES FROM REGULATING THE SMOKING OF UNFILTERED
2:04:08PM CIGARS.
2:04:08PM SO THAT EXCEPTION HAS BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPOSED
2:04:11PM ORDINANCE.
2:04:12PM IF ADOPTED, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD AMEND CHAPTER 16,
2:04:15PM ARTICLE III, SECTION 16-47 OF THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES
2:04:21PM TO PROHIBIT SMOKING OF ANY LIGHTED TOBACCO PRODUCT EXCEPT
2:04:25PM UNFILTERED CIGARS AND VAPING OF ANY SUBSTANCE IN CITY PARKS.
2:04:29PM A VIOLATION OF SECTION 16-47 WOULD BE A CIVIL OFFENSE.
2:04:34PM AND THE PENALTY WOULD BE A CIVIL CITATION THAT CARRIES WITH
2:04:37PM IT A FINE AS PROVIDED IN SECTION 23.5-5, SUBPART A OF CITY
2:04:44PM CODE.
2:04:44PM WITH THAT I'LL TURN THE PRESENTATION OVER TO DIRECTOR
2:04:49PM WASHINGTON.
2:04:49PM AFTER HE CONCLUDES THE PRESENTATION, I, DIRECTOR WASHINGTON
2:04:55PM AND ALSO TONY MULKEY, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION WILL
2:04:58PM BE PRESENT AND AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
2:05:00PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU.
2:05:06PM >> GO AHEAD.
2:05:07PM THANK YOU.

2:05:08PM GOOD AFTERNOON.
2:05:09PM LARRY WASHINGTON, DIRECTOR OF SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT.
2:05:11PM JUST FYI, I'M CURRENTLY AT DR. CARTER WOODSON'S ELEMENTARY
2:05:18PM SCHOOL RIGHT NOW.
2:05:18PM THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE BACKGROUND.
2:05:20PM IF THERE'S ANY NOISE WITH KIDS, I WAS WORKING WITH THE
2:05:23PM TEACHERS AT GREAT AMERICAN TEACH-IN.
2:05:25PM SO I GOT CAUGHT UP WITH THE CHILDREN AND --
2:05:36PM PROBABLY WONDERING WHY A SOLID WASTE DIRECTOR IS PRESENTING
2:05:41PM ON AN ORDINANCE CHANGE FOR PARKS AND REC.
2:05:42PM I'LL BE ABLE TO UNPACK THAT AS THE PRESENTATION UNFOLDS.
2:05:42PM I CANNOT SEE THE SLIDES.
2:05:44PM CAN WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDES AS WELL?
2:05:45PM WOULD YOU MIND WORKING THE PowerPoint FOR ME?
2:05:57PM IT SAYS NO SIGNAL.
2:06:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: IF WE CAN BLOW IT UP ON OUR SCREEN.
2:06:07PM IT'S SMALL.
2:06:07PM IF WE COULD MAKE IT BIGGER.
2:06:09PM THERE WE GO.
2:06:10PM GO AHEAD.
2:06:10PM >> MR. WASHINGTON, CAN YOU SEE THAT?
2:06:13PM >>LARRY WASHINGTON: YES.
2:06:14PM IT IS UP ON MY END.
2:06:16PM WE DO NOT STAND ALONE IN WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE.
2:06:19PM THESE ARE SOME MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE ALREADY MOVED

2:06:21PM FORWARD IN ENACTING SIMILAR ORDINANCE CHANGES FOR THE
2:06:24PM BETTERMENT OF THEIR COMMUNITIES.
2:06:26PM CLEARWATER, ST. PETE, TREASURE ISLAND, CITY OF SARASOTA,
2:06:32PM ET CETERA.
2:06:32PM NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE.
2:06:36PM DROPPED IN OUR LOGO AS WELL.
2:06:41PM WE ARE HOPING TO ADD OUR NAME TO THE LIST MOVING FORWARD.
2:06:45PM SO USUALLY WE WOULD COMPILE ALL OF THESE.
2:06:47PM THESE ARE FACTS THAT WE WANT TO PRESENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
2:06:53PM HOWEVER, NEEDED TO STAND OUT, BUT DUE TO THE TIME FRAME THAT
2:06:57PM WE PROBABLY HAVE RIGHT NOW, I'LL GO OVER THEM QUICKLY.
2:07:00PM IN THE BOTTOM LEFT CORNER, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE SOURCE IS.
2:07:04PM DEAD CENTER, YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT TO PUT
2:07:07PM EMPHASIS ON.
2:07:09PM CIGARETTE BUTTS ARE THE MOST LITTERED ITEM IN THE UNITED
2:07:12PM STATES.
2:07:13PM IN ADDITION, CIGARETTE LITTER IS PRESENT AT EVERY TAMPA
2:07:17PM CLEANUP.
2:07:17PM WE KNOW THAT BY THE GREEN TEAM.
2:07:19PM 76% OF THE CIGARETTE SMOKE IN PUBLIC ARE LITTER MOVING
2:07:24PM FORWARD.
2:07:24PM CIGARETTE FILTERS ARE MADE OF PLASTIC AND DO NOT BIODEGRADE.
2:07:30PM THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WE NEED TO GET THEM OFF OF OUR
2:07:34PM PARKS AND OUR BEACHES.
2:07:35PM NEXT SLIDE.

2:07:36PM ESTIMATED 4 BILLION MICROPLASTICS EXISTS IN TAMPA BAY AS OF
2:07:44PM NOW.
2:07:44PM NEXT SLIDE.
2:07:45PM OVER 450 CIGARETTES COLLECTED WITHIN ONE MILE AT A SINGLE
2:07:54PM LOCATION.
2:07:55PM 3,200 CIGARETTES WERE COLLECTED IN ONE CLEANUP.
2:07:57PM AND THAT WAS DONE AND CONDUCTED BY OUR GREEN TEAM.
2:08:00PM AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE GREEN TEAM IS PICKING UP OVER 200
2:08:04PM CIGARETTES AN HOUR.
2:08:05PM OF COURSE, SECOND HAND SMOKE IS A SIGNIFICANT HEALTH RISK AS
2:08:13PM WELL.
2:08:13PM NEXT SLIDE.
2:08:14PM WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THAT AND SHOW YOU A QUICK AND ALL THE
2:08:21PM REFERENCES AS WELL.
2:08:22PM ACKNOWLEDGE THEM.
2:08:26PM DESPITE THE EXISTING LITTER ORDINANCE, THESE ITEMS ARE STILL
2:08:29PM BEING LITTERED AND LITTERED AT AN ALARMING RATE, SHOWCASING
2:08:34PM THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL STEPS TO BE TAKEN.
2:08:36PM MOVING FORWARD, PROPOSED ORDINANCE ALIGNS THE CITY OF TAMPA
2:08:39PM STANCE AGAINST THE USE OF TOBACCO PRODUCTS.
2:08:42PM NEXT SLIDE.
2:08:44PM HOW WE GOT INVOLVED.
2:08:47PM SO WE HAVE -- THIS RESEARCH ESSENTIALLY PRESENTED HERE WAS
2:08:53PM NOT -- OR WAS IN PART THROUGH THE EPA TRASH-FREE WATERWAY
2:08:57PM GRANT, WHICH IS A $5,000 GRANT AWARDED TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT

2:09:02PM OF TRASH IN THE TAMPA BAY WATERWAYS.
2:09:04PM IF PASSED, THE ORDINANCE WILL BE ACCOMPANIED WITH A PORTION
2:09:06PM OF THE GRANT FOR OUTREACH AND AWARENESS.
2:09:10PM SO THAT'S ROUGHLY $80,000 FOR OUTREACH AND AWARENESS.
2:09:13PM AND THIS WAS NOT DONE -- WE HAVE $30,000 BUDGETED FOR A YEAR
2:09:19PM FOR OUR RECYCLING TEAM TO PROMOTE AND REACH OUT TO THOSE,
2:09:24PM THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
2:09:26PM AND THAT'S ALMOST THREEFOLD.
2:09:28PM SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO PUSH OFF THIS INFORMATION IN A
2:09:34PM CONSISTENT BASIS AND THAT'S GOING TO BE, OF COURSE, SOCIAL
2:09:36PM MEDIA WHICH IS FREE, PARK BENCHES, AND REALLY TARGETED AREAS
2:09:41PM THAT TONY MULKEY AND TEAM HAVE IDENTIFIED.
2:09:46PM THIS WAS NOT DONE BY OURSELVES AS WELL.
2:09:48PM WE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH TPD, SUSTAINABILITY AND
2:09:54PM RESILIENCE.
2:09:55PM THE PARKS AND REC TEAM, OF COURSE, AND THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
2:10:01PM THIS ALL TIES INTO THE MAYOR'S INITIATIVE TO KEEP IT CLEAN
2:10:04PM AS WELL.
2:10:04PM THAT IS MY PRESENTATION.
2:10:07PM DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS?
2:10:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, YOU HAD QUESTIONS.
2:10:14PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I APPRECIATED THE PRESENTATION, AND I
2:10:16PM COMPLETELY AGREE WITH IT.
2:10:17PM LITTERING OF CIGARETTE BUTTS IS A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE THING.
2:10:21PM BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS SAYING.

2:10:23PM THIS ORDINANCE IS SAYING IF YOU SMOKE IN A PARK, WE'RE GOING
2:10:26PM TO FINE YOU $75.
2:10:28PM IT'S NOT DROPPING A CIGARETTE BUTT.
2:10:30PM IT'S SMOKING AT ALL.
2:10:31PM SO IF THIS WAS AN ORDINANCE FOR LITTERING CIGARETTE BUTTS
2:10:38PM AND -- OR THE CITY CHARGING YOU $75 PER, ABSOLUTELY.
2:10:42PM BUT JUST SMOKING IN A PARK, THIS DOES NOT MATCH THE
2:10:47PM PRESENTATION.
2:10:47PM I CANNOT SUPPORT ANYTHING THAT GIVES A CIVIL CITATION TO
2:10:53PM SOMEONE FOR SIMPLY SMOKING IN A PARK.
2:11:07PM [CHOPPY AUDIO]
2:11:53PM >>LUIS VIERA: -- I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION.
2:11:55PM IF THIS WAS TAILORED TO JUST LITTERING, OBVIOUSLY.
2:11:58PM BUT TO START DOING CITATIONS ON PEOPLE FOR SMOKING IN A
2:12:03PM PARK, IT'S GOING TO LEAD TO JUST MORE CONTACTS WITH THE
2:12:07PM CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM WHERE I SEE THE BENEFIT OF IT,
2:12:11PM OBVIOUSLY.
2:12:11PM I NEVER SMOKED IN MY LIFE, RIGHT?
2:12:15PM EVERY TIME I SMELL A CIGARETTE, IT REMINDS ME OF MY FATHER.
2:12:19PM NEEDS A BUDWEISER AND CIGARETTE.
2:12:21PM MY DAD, GOD REST HIS SOUL.
2:12:24PM THE BENEFIT OF IT DOESN'T OUTWEIGH THE POTENTIAL DETRIMENT
2:12:28PM IN MY OPINION.
2:12:30PM YEAH, AT THIS TIME, I DON'T THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE
2:12:33PM SHOULD MOVE FORWARD ON.

2:12:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN MIRANDA AND HENDERSON.
2:12:37PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION.
2:12:39PM WHEN YOU WEREN'T SMOKING AND VAPING, YOU'RE TRYING TO SAVE
2:12:45PM SOMEBODY ELSE'S LIFE.
2:12:47PM YOUR LIFE MAY BE GONE BECAUSE YOU MORE THAN LIKELY DO IT
2:12:50PM EVERY DAY FOR YEARS AND YEARS.
2:12:51PM MY WIFE DIED OF LUNG CANCER.
2:12:54PM SHE NEVER SMOKED.
2:12:55PM AND I NEVER FORGET WHAT THE SURGEON TOLD US.
2:12:58PM HER FATHER HAD TWO PACKS OF CIGARETTES A DAY AND HER MOTHER
2:13:06PM ONE.
2:13:06PM THAT'S WHEN THERE WAS NO AIR CONDITIONING IN THE HOUSES.
2:13:09PM THAT'S WHEN ALL GIRLS WERE INSIDE, BOYS OUTSIDE PLAYING.
2:13:13PM THAT'S HOW IT WAS AT THE TIME.
2:13:14PM I NEVER FORGOT THAT.
2:13:15PM SMOKING AND VAPING IS ONE THING IF YOU WANT TO DO IT IN YOUR
2:13:22PM OWN HOUSE.
2:13:22PM WHEN YOU START DOING IT IN PUBLIC, YOU ARE PUTTING OTHERS AT
2:13:25PM RISK.
2:13:26PM NOT THE BUTT, BUT WHEN YOU WALK BY, EVENT, 20 PEOPLE
2:13:31PM SMOKING, YOU'RE IN ONE OF THOSE EVENTS AND YOU'RE NOT
2:13:34PM SMOKING, YOU'RE INHALING THE SAME THING THEY ARE.
2:13:37PM YOU DON'T DO THE SAME THING.
2:13:41PM YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIND A BOTTLE OF WHISKEY OPEN TO ARREST
2:13:45PM SOMEBODY WHO IS DRUNK.

2:13:47PM ARREST THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE DRUNK.
2:13:48PM IN THIS CASE, I THINK YOU JUST ARREST THEM BECAUSE NOT ONLY
2:13:52PM SMOKING, BUT DROPPING IN CITY PROPERTY.
2:13:55PM THIS CITY RIGHT NOW, YOU CAN'T SMOKE OUTSIDE THIS BUILDING,
2:13:58PM AM I CORRECT?
2:13:59PM THAT WAS BUCKHORN'S ADMINISTRATION, IF I REMEMBER.
2:14:06PM >> McLANE EVANS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
2:14:10PM CITY OF TAMPA PROPERTIES HAVE A NO SMOKING POLICY, CORRECT.
2:14:13PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: WAS IT UNDER BUCKHORN?
2:14:15PM YOU WEREN'T HERE.
2:14:17PM THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
2:14:17PM THANK YOU.
2:14:18PM I RELATE THIS TO THE SAME THING.
2:14:22PM IF YOU CAN'T SMOKE ON THE CITY PROPERTY, THEN YOU SHOULDN'T
2:14:27PM BE ABLE TO SMOKE IN A CITY PARK.
2:14:29PM STILL A CITY PROPERTY.
2:14:30PM BELONGS TO THE TAXPAYERS, NOT I.
2:14:32PM THANK YOU.
2:14:32PM THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.
2:14:34PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
2:14:36PM FIRST, I NEED TO SAY SHOT OUT TO JOSH AND LACHONE CLASS OF
2:14:44PM 2003 BECAUSE THEY ARE THE YOUNG MEN THAT GOT ME TO STOP
2:14:47PM SMOKING.
2:14:48PM I'M COMING UP ON 20 YEARS OF NOT SMOKING.
2:15:10PM [ENCODER LOSS]

2:16:21PM >> -- I KIND OF WONDERED WHAT THE MOTIVATION OF THIS WAS.
2:16:25PM I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN THEY USED TO HAVE TO FLY IN
2:16:28PM AIRPLANES AND HAVE PEOPLE SMOKE IN THERE, AND THINKING YOU
2:16:33PM HAD TO SMOKE IN A NONSMOKING SECTION, WHICH THERE WAS NO
2:16:37PM DIVISION.
2:16:37PM OR GOING INTO RESTAURANTS, SMOKING, NONSMOKING, OR RIDING IN
2:16:42PM A VEHICLE WITH MY ELDERLY GRANDMOTHER AND AUNTS ALL CHAIN
2:16:48PM SMOKING.
2:16:50PM AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL THEY ALLOWED SMOKING WHEN I FIRST
2:16:53PM STARTED WORKING.
2:16:54PM AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER WITH A CIGARETTE HANGING OUT OF THEIR
2:16:58PM MOUTH, ONE IN THE HAND AND ONE IN THE ASHTRAY.
2:17:00PM I WAS NEVER A SMOKER, SO IT WAS CHOKING AND KILLING.
2:17:04PM TAMPA IS GETTING BIGGER.
2:17:05PM PARKS GETTING MORE POPULAR AND MORE CROWDED.
2:17:08PM I'M GLAD COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON MENTIONED CHILDREN.
2:17:12PM I DON'T REALLY SEE THIS AS ANY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAVE
2:17:16PM TAKEN THESE SOCIOLOGICAL ADVANCES OF BANNING SMOKING IN
2:17:21PM AIRPLANES, RESTAURANTS AND WORKPLACES.
2:17:36PM [ENCODER LOSS]
2:17:39PM -- RESOURCES, DEAL WITH THAT LATER.
2:18:02PM >>LYNN HURTAK: HOW ABOUT WE PASS IT WITHOUT THE PENALTY?
2:18:17PM >> McLANE EVANS, LEGAL DEPARTMENT.
2:18:20PM IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE.
2:18:21PM IF THEY WOULD LIKE CHANGES, SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES SUCH AS

2:18:24PM CHANGING THE PENALTIES.
2:18:31PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE TO --
2:18:32PM >> -- REFERENCES IN THE TITLE.
2:18:34PM WE WOULD HAVE TO START OVER AT FIRST READING.
2:18:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MAKE A MOTION TO REDO THE ORDINANCE TAKING
2:18:41PM OUT ALL PENALTIES.
2:18:46PM >> I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER GENERAL PUBLIC
2:18:51PM POLICY TO ADOPT A RULE THAT HAS NO CONSEQUENCES, IS
2:18:56PM ESSENTIALLY USELESS.
2:18:57PM SO IT MIGHT SIMPLY BE BETTER NOT TO PASS IT AT ALL THAN TO
2:19:01PM TAKE AWAY THE PENALTIES.
2:19:03PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I DON'T THINK THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH, LIKE,
2:19:05PM PUTTING SIGNS UP AND DOING THINGS LIKE THAT.
2:19:07PM TO ME, THIS GOES RIGHT BACK TO THE SKATEBOARDING IN PUBLIC.
2:19:11PM FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WERE HERE FOR THAT, SKATEBOARDING ISN'T
2:19:17PM ILLEGAL, BUT WE TRIED TO MAKE IT ILLEGAL HERE.
2:19:21PM FOR ME, SMOKING, NO, YOU SHOULDN'T SMOKE OR VAPE IN A CITY
2:19:24PM PARK.
2:19:25PM WE CAN PUT UP A SIGN.
2:19:26PM WE CAN ASK PEOPLE TO DO IT.
2:19:27PM BUT I THINK GOING AROUND POLICING, COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON
2:19:30PM GOT TO THE POINT FOR ME OF WHERE WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE
2:19:33PM DOING THIS.
2:19:34PM LIKE, WHERE ARE -- HOW IS THIS GOING TO BE USED?
2:19:37PM WE DO NOT WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO ENTER THE CRIMINAL

2:19:40PM JUSTICE SYSTEM IN WHATEVER WAY.
2:19:42PM SO WE CAN ABSOLUTELY DO WHAT THE OFFICERS CURRENTLY DO FOR
2:19:47PM THE SKATEBOARDING.
2:19:48PM THEY SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T SKATE HERE.
2:19:51PM THEY DON'T DO A FINE, NOT A PENALTY.
2:19:53PM SO MY MOTION -- I'M NOT GOING TO ARGUE ABOUT THIS.
2:19:56PM MY MOTION IS TO REDO THE ORDINANCE TAKING OUT THE PENALTIES.
2:19:59PM THERE IS A SECOND FROM MR. VIERA, AND I WOULD LIKE TO GO
2:20:02PM AHEAD AND CALL --
2:20:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA -- CLENDENIN.
2:20:05PM WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
2:20:08PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: SO DISCUSSION.
2:20:10PM NOW, QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK, WOULD YOU USE THE SAME
2:20:15PM LOGIC FOR REINSTITUTING -- TAKING PENALTIES AWAY FOR
2:20:20PM RESTAURANTS AND AIRPLANES AND ALL THE OTHER PUBLIC SPACES?
2:20:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THOSE AREN'T PUBLIC SPACES.
2:20:27PM THOSE ARE PRIVATE SPACES.
2:20:29PM AGAIN, FOR ME, THIS IS AN ISSUE OF NOT INTRODUCING PEOPLE TO
2:20:32PM THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM.
2:20:34PM THAT IS IT.
2:20:35PM THAT IS ALL.
2:20:36PM THAT IS MY LINE.
2:20:38PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IT'S GOVERNMENT TELLING PEOPLE THEY CAN'T
2:20:41PM SMOKE IN A RESTAURANT.
2:20:42PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT'S STATE GOVERNMENT.

2:20:44PM THAT'S NOT US.
2:20:44PM I'M TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT I CAN CONTROL.
2:20:46PM IF WE START -- YES, SMOKING, YOU SHOULDN'T DO IT.
2:20:52PM YOU REALLY SHOULDN'T DO IT IN A PUBLIC PARK, BUT I CANNOT
2:20:56PM ADD ANOTHER LAYER OF GOVERNMENT ON TOP OF IT.
2:20:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
2:21:00PM SO YOU'RE SAYING SIGNS BUT NO FINES.
2:21:05PM >> LOVE IT.
2:21:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HEY.
2:21:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: SIGNS BUT NO FINES.
2:21:11PM THAT'S WHAT I WANT THE TITLE TO BE.
2:21:12PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WOW.
2:21:13PM I'M IN THE WRONG BUSINESS.
2:21:14PM I'LL HAVE A -- SO I'M AN AVID CIGAR SMOKER.
2:21:20PM IF I SEE A SIGN, I JUST FOLLOW THE RULE.
2:21:23PM THERE IS A SIGN OUT HERE.
2:21:24PM I'VE NEVER SMOKED IN THE PARKING LOT.
2:21:26PM NEVER BROUGHT A CIGAR INSIDE.
2:21:27PM I DON'T BRING IT IN THE HOUSE.
2:21:29PM I GO TO A CIGAR LOUNGE.
2:21:32PM IT'S RIGHT OUT HERE WHEN YOU WALK IN THE FRONT DOOR.
2:21:35PM ALL IT TAKES IS FOR ME TO SEE A SIGN AND I RESPECT IT.
2:21:38PM IF THERE WAS A SIGN THAT SAID NO ROLLER SKATING, I WOULDN'T
2:21:42PM ROLLER -- I DON'T REALLY ROLLER SKATE THAT MUCH.
2:21:45PM I DON'T NEED A PENALTY.

2:21:46PM IT'S OUT OF RESPECT TO SAY IT IS WHAT IT IS.
2:21:48PM >> MR. CHAIRMAN, LEGAL POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
2:21:50PM McLANE EVANS.
2:21:52PM THE ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN TODAY SPECIFIES CIVIL PENALTY
2:21:56PM ONLY AND ONLY FINES.
2:21:57PM IF YOU REMOVE THE SPECIFIC REFERENCE TO THE -- SO NO
2:22:03PM CRIMINAL CONNECTION THERE, RIGHT?
2:22:04PM IT CAN'T BE MISINTERPRETED AS A CRIMINAL VIOLATION.
2:22:08PM THE PORTION OF CODE 23.5-5 IS JUST CIVIL VIOLATIONS.
2:22:14PM IF YOU ELIMINATE THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, IT BECOMES MORE
2:22:18PM VAGUE AND REFERENCES BACK TO A PORTION OF CODE THAT COULD
2:22:22PM INCLUDE A MISDEMEANOR.
2:22:24PM YOU MAY INADVERTENTLY ACTUALLY BE CHANGING THE ORDINANCE TO
2:22:30PM INCLUDE MISDEMEANORS IF YOU INCLUDE NO REFERENCE TO
2:22:33PM PENALTIES WHATSOEVER.
2:22:34PM >>LYNN HURTAK: OKAY.
2:22:35PM THEN I WOULD SAY A WARNING.
2:22:37PM SO THAT'S GOING TO BE MY PENALTY IS WE GIVE A WARNING, A
2:22:41PM VERBAL OR A WRITTEN WARNING.
2:22:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: A WARNING OF WHAT?
2:22:46PM >>LYNN HURTAK: TO NOT DO IT.
2:22:47PM AGAIN, THE WHOLE POINT IS TO NOT BRING PEOPLE INTO THE
2:22:50PM CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, CIVIL AND CRIMINAL.
2:22:56PM SO THE POINT IS --
2:23:11PM >> -- OTHER PUBLIC MEMBERS AND PLEASE NOT EXPOSE THEM TO

2:23:15PM SECOND HAND SMOKE.
2:23:24PM [ENCODER LOSS]
2:23:26PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE --
2:23:29PM [ENCODER CONNECTION FAILURE]
2:24:41PM >>LUIS VIERA: -- QUOTE BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN, TAKE A WRONG TURN
2:24:44PM AND KEEP GOING.
2:24:46PM I THINK WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ON THAT.
2:24:47PM WHEN SOMEBODY SHARES FROM THE HEART SOMETHING PERSONAL AS
2:24:54PM CHARLIE MIRANDA, I APPRECIATE THAT.
2:24:55PM I REALLY DO.
2:24:56PM YOU KNOW MY SENTIMENTS AND REGARDS.
2:24:58PM BUT THANK YOU.
2:24:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HENDERSON.
2:24:59PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I WAS JUST THINKING, THIS IS REALLY ALSO A
2:25:02PM MARKETING ISSUE, WHICH IS TIED TO A BUDGET WHERE WE NEED TO
2:25:06PM CREATE SIGNS THAT INDICATE THAT PARKS ARE SMOKE-FREE AND
2:25:10PM MAYBE INVOLVE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IN THAT AND JUST REALLY
2:25:15PM INFORM OUR ENTIRE COMMUNITY THAT OUR PARKS ARE SMOKE-FREE IS
2:25:18PM WHAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IN THE MARKETING ASPECT OF IT.
2:25:27PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
2:25:28PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:25:29PM AYE.
2:25:31PM ANY OPPOSED?
2:25:32PM >>THE CLERK: MOTION CARRIED WITH CLENDENIN AND MIRANDA
2:25:34PM VOTING NO.

2:25:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NOW YOUR SECOND MOTION.
2:25:37PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THAT WAS.
2:25:42PM >>LUIS VIERA: THIS IS GOING TO SAVE US TIME, IF I MAY.
2:25:44PM I'VE SPOKEN WITH CHIEF TRIPP AND MS. FEELEY ON ITEM NUMBER
2:25:50PM 63.
2:25:51PM FOR PURPOSES OF TIME, BECAUSE WE WENT IN TODAY AROUND 4 AND
2:25:55PM I DON'T WANT -- WE WANT TO END AROUND 4.
2:25:59PM ON DECEMBER 5, I HAVE A REPORT THAT I'M GOING TO MOVE AT THE
2:26:04PM END OF THE MEETING TO WRITTEN REPORT.
2:26:06PM AND THEN IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE ITEM NUMBER 63 TO
2:26:11PM DECEMBER 5 TO SAVE US TIME.
2:26:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
2:26:15PM ALL IN FAVOR?
2:26:16PM AYE.
2:26:17PM 63 HAS BEEN CONTINUED TO DECEMBER 5 UNDER STAFF REPORTS.
2:26:21PM AND THEN YOU'LL MAKE A FOLLOW-UP MOTION TO MAKE ONE OF THEM
2:26:24PM A WRITTEN SO WE DON'T BEND THE RULES.
2:26:27PM ITEM NUMBER 58 AND 59.
2:26:35PM MR. BHIDE.
2:26:42PM >>VIK BHIDE: AFTERNOON CHAIR AND COUNCIL.
2:26:44PM VIK BHIDE, DIRECTOR OF MOBILITY DEPARTMENT.
2:26:46PM HERE TO ADDRESS ITEMS 58 AND 59.
2:26:51PM A MEMO TO THAT EFFECT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED BY BRAD BAIRD,
2:26:58PM DEPUTY ADMINISTRATOR.
2:27:00PM THIS ITEM AND WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS A DESIGN TASK

2:27:07PM AS PART OF A DESIGN-BUILD CONTRACT TO PROCEED WITH THE SOUTH
2:27:11PM HOWARD FLOODING RELIEF PROJECT.
2:27:13PM I'D LIKE TO PRESENT A COUPLE OF THINGS BEFORE WE GET INTO
2:27:19PM THE DISCUSSION TODAY.
2:27:21PM I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS
2:27:24PM PROJECT.
2:27:24PM THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERNS.
2:27:26PM THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF REAL ANXIETY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
2:27:31PM I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY PRESENTING WHAT WE PRESENTED ON
2:27:36PM NOVEMBER 18 EARLIER THIS WEEK TO THE COMMUNITY.
2:27:40PM AND THEN I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT
2:27:43PM WERE EXPRESSED TODAY BY THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, BY THE
2:27:47PM COMMUNITY AT-LARGE IN PARKLAND ESTATES AND PALMA CEIA AND
2:27:53PM OTHER NEIGHBORS AS WELL.
2:27:54PM IF I MAY, I'M GOING TO USE --
2:27:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED, MR. BHIDE?
2:27:59PM >>VIK BHIDE: I NEED ABOUT SEVEN MINUTES.
2:28:01PM IT WOULDN'T BE VERY LONG, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO USE THE ELMO.
2:28:07PM THIS IS FOR THE SOUTH HOWARD FLOODING RELIEF PROJECT.
2:28:13PM A REAL QUICK DESCRIPTION OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO.
2:28:16PM I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THE WATERSHED.
2:28:19PM THE WATERSHED IS FROM PALMA CEIA PINES DOWN TO BAYSHORE AND
2:28:23PM INCLUDES PARKLAND ESTATES, NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL, BAYSHORE
2:28:26PM BEAUTIFUL.
2:28:27PM THIS IN PARTICULAR IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS

2:28:32PM PROJECT.
2:28:32PM TO INCREASE THE DRAINAGE CAPACITY OF THE WATERSHED BY FIVE
2:28:36PM TIMES.
2:28:37PM I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT SAID ABOUT HOW MANY INCHES, WHAT
2:28:41PM YEAR STORMS AND ALL THAT.
2:28:43PM BUT TO SIMPLIFY IT, WE'RE EXPANDING THE CAPACITY OF DRAINAGE
2:28:47PM FIVE TIMES.
2:28:48PM SO WHETHER IT'S STORMS, WHETHER IT'S HURRICANES, WHETHER
2:28:52PM IT'S MAJOR EVENTS, THIS PROJECT WILL BENEFIT THE WATERSHED
2:28:58PM AND HELP REDUCE OR ELIMINATE STRUCTURAL FLOODING, HOMES AND
2:29:02PM BUSINESSES.
2:29:04PM AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE'VE LOOKED AT MANY OPTIONS, BUT
2:29:09PM I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THREE OPTIONS BECAUSE THESE WERE
2:29:13PM DISCUSSED TODAY.
2:29:14PM WHEN WE LOOK AT STORMWATER PROJECTS IN GENERAL, WE LOOK AT
2:29:20PM PIPES OR CULVERTS.
2:29:21PM CULVERT IS A FANCY NAME FOR A PIPE THAT MAY BE A DIFFERENT
2:29:25PM SHAPE.
2:29:26PM THAT IS THE PREFERRED OPTION.
2:29:27PM IT IS THE MOST RESILIENT.
2:29:29PM IT IS THE MOST COST-EFFICIENT, AND IT USES GRAVITY.
2:29:33PM THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
2:29:35PM THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING WITH THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
2:29:37PM IT'S ALSO THE MOST RESILIENT TO ALL SORTS OF EVENTS BECAUSE
2:29:42PM PONDS MAY OVERFLOW AND THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THE WATER TO GO,

2:29:46PM WHEREAS WITH CULVERTS, YOU HAVE AN OUTFALL AT ALL TIMES.
2:29:50PM PONDS ARE ANOTHER SOLUTION.
2:29:53PM WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS AS WELL.
2:29:54PM YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A 25-ACRE POND TO PROVIDE THE TYPE OF
2:29:59PM DRAINAGE CAPACITY.
2:30:01PM 25 FOOTBALL FIELDS BASICALLY.
2:30:03PM THAT IS A VERY EXPENSIVE PROPOSITION IN THIS WATERSHED IN
2:30:10PM PARTICULAR.
2:30:11PM WE'LL LOOK AT THAT IN A SECOND.
2:30:12PM PUMPS.
2:30:13PM PUMPS ARE THE LEAST RESILIENT SOLUTION.
2:30:15PM USUALLY UTILIZED IN A BASIN THAT IS CHALLENGED WHERE YOU MAY
2:30:20PM HAVE TO PUMP SOMETHING BEYOND A CERTAIN POINT.
2:30:23PM IT'S GOT HIGHER -- THE CAPACITY THAT YOU CAN BUILD --
2:30:32PM [ENCODER LOSS]
2:31:03PM -- OR GET EASEMENTS FROM A LARGE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES AND
2:31:12PM HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE BE LOCATED UNDER THOSE PROPERTIES.
2:31:16PM IT'S NOT A VIABLE OPTION.
2:31:21PM THREE PIPE CULVERT WITH POND OPTIONS WERE ALSO EXPLORED.
2:31:26PM EARLIER, THAT POINT WAS MADE TODAY HAVE YOU EXPLORED A
2:31:29PM COMBINATION.
2:31:29PM WE DID.
2:31:30PM IT WAS NOT THE MOST FEASIBLE, THE MOST VIABLE OPTION.
2:31:34PM FIVE PUMP STATION WITH FORCE MAIN OPTIONS WERE EXPLORED AND
2:31:38PM TWO OTHERS AS WELL.

2:31:39PM SOME SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS WERE MENTIONED AND DISCUSSED TODAY
2:31:46PM IN THE COMMENTS.
2:31:47PM WE ARE RESURFACING PALMA CEIA PINES.
2:31:50PM WE ISSUED NOTICES TO NEIGHBORS PRIOR TO THE STORMS.
2:31:53PM THE STORMS HAVE, OF COURSE, DELAYED THAT.
2:31:55PM THAT WILL INCLUDE REPROFILING OF THE ROADS, WHICH WILL
2:31:59PM PROVIDE THAT SHORT-TERM BENEFIT WHICH WAS DOCUMENTED IN THE
2:32:04PM REPORT.
2:32:04PM THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS DOCUMENTED IN THE JMT REPORT WAS THE
2:32:08PM ALBANY POND AND IMPROVING THE CONNECTIVITY THERE.
2:32:11PM THAT'S INCLUDED AS PART OF THE PROJECT.
2:32:14PM THEA IS CONTRIBUTING $11 MILLION TO THIS PROJECT TO MITIGATE
2:32:18PM SOME OF THE EXPRESSWAYS STORMWATER NEEDS.
2:32:22PM AND THAT POINT OF CONNECTION IS THE ALBANY POND, AND THAT
2:32:26PM WILL TIE INTO THE CULVERT SYSTEM ON HOWARD AVENUE.
2:32:29PM THAT IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, AND THAT IS PART OF THIS
2:32:32PM PROJECT AS WELL.
2:32:33PM JUST A VISUAL OF HOW BIG THAT POND WOULD HAVE TO BE.
2:32:40PM IT WOULD BE LOCATED IN PARKLAND ESTATES, WHICH IS THE LOW
2:32:44PM POINT.
2:32:44PM IT WOULD BASICALLY TAKE UP MOST OF PARKLAND ESTATES.
2:32:47PM AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE 25-ACRE POND SOLUTION.
2:32:52PM THAT IS A LOT OF REAL ESTATE.
2:32:54PM THIS IS WHAT IS IN THE CONTRACT IN FRONT OF YOU AFTER
2:33:02PM EXTENSIVE ENGAGEMENT.

2:33:05PM A REVIEW OF THREE POTENTIAL ROUTE OPTIONS THAT CONNECT TO
2:33:10PM SOUTH HOWARD AVENUE.
2:33:12PM THE BOX BELOW THE CSX LINE, LEVERAGE THE BOX AND OUTFALL AT
2:33:17PM BAYSHORE SO NEITHER HAS TO BE RECONSTRUCTED AND THE
2:33:21PM DIFFERENT ROUTE.
2:33:21PM AND THESE THREE OPTIONS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO DESIGN AND
2:33:26PM DISCUSSION.
2:33:27PM I'LL TOUCH UPON THAT IN A SECOND.
2:33:29PM WE BELIEVE THAT THIS PROJECT WILL MITIGATE STRUCTURAL
2:33:36PM FLOODING THAT WE SAW FROM MILTON.
2:33:39PM THAT LEVEL OF INTENSITY, THERE WILL STILL BE STREET FLOODING
2:33:45PM BUT IT WILL MITIGATE FLOODING INTO PEOPLE'S HOMES, INTO
2:33:49PM PEOPLE'S BUSINESSES.
2:33:50PM THIS IS WELL CONSIDERED AND WELL STUDIED.
2:33:55PM I'M GOING TO TOUCH UPON BUSINESSES SUPPORTING OUR BUSINESSES
2:34:01PM ON HOWARD AND A LOT OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE HAVE MADE
2:34:08PM TOWARDS THAT BECAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD TODAY
2:34:12PM IS MAYBE WE HAVE NOT GIVEN ENOUGH THOUGHT TO THIS.
2:34:15PM MAYBE WE HAVEN'T DONE AS MUCH HOME WORK AS WE NEED TO OVER
2:34:22PM THE LAST SEVEN YEARS ACROSS THREE CONSULTANT STUDIES AND
2:34:26PM SIGNIFICANT CONSIDERATION.
2:34:26PM SO THE TEAM HAS DONE A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE, AND OUR TEAM IS
2:34:29PM HERE TODAY.
2:34:30PM OUR CHIEF ENGINEER IS HERE.
2:34:32PM OUR STORMWATER MANAGER.

2:34:34PM THE CONSULTANT AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTOR KIMMINS ARE HERE
2:34:38PM JOINED BY US, ALONG WITH OUR ADMINISTRATOR, JEAN DUNCAN.
2:34:41PM I'D LIKE TO START BY SAYING ON THE DILIGENCE, THIS WILL NOT
2:34:46PM BE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS.
2:34:49PM THIS IS NOT THAT PROJECT.
2:34:51PM WE'VE LEARNED FROM THAT PROJECT.
2:34:52PM THIS WILL NOT BE IT.
2:34:54PM WE'VE DONE A THOROUGH CONSTRUCTABILITY REVIEW, AND OUR
2:34:58PM CONTRACTOR IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO
2:35:01PM THAT.
2:35:02PM OUR TEAM HAS WALKED THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR, MET EVERY SINGLE
2:35:06PM BUSINESS.
2:35:07PM TALKED TO THEM, SHARED INFORMATION ABOUT THE PROJECTS.
2:35:10PM WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THE BUSINESS ALLIANCE, BERN'S AND
2:35:15PM OTHER STAKEHOLDERS AS WELL, AND OUR DESIGN CRITERIA PACKET
2:35:20PM BEFORE THE RFQ WAS ISSUED WAS DEVELOPED BY EXPERTS ALSO.
2:35:24PM ON BUSINESS DELIVERIES, OUR PARKING DEPARTMENT WORKS IN
2:35:31PM SOHO, DOWNTOWN, YBOR, SOUTH HOWARD, HYDE PARK, EVERYWHERE.
2:35:36PM WE ARE VERY, VERY FAMILIAR AND WILL BE TAKING EVERY CARE TO
2:35:43PM ENSURE THAT DELIVERIES ARE MADE APPROPRIATELY.
2:35:48PM MOST DELIVERIES HAPPEN WITH A TRUCK ON THE STREET AND CARTS
2:35:52PM THAT EMPTY -- OR CARTS THAT DELIVER EITHER DRINKS OR FOOD
2:36:00PM INTO THE RESTAURANTS AND FACILITIES.
2:36:02PM THAT WILL BE MANAGED BY OUR CONTRACTOR.
2:36:05PM THEY HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE IN THE URBAN ENVIRONMENTS.

2:36:07PM WE'RE AWARE OF IT.
2:36:09PM THROUGH THE PHASING OF THE PROJECT, THERE WILL BE IMPACTS
2:36:12PM AND DISRUPTIONS.
2:36:13PM WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT.
2:36:14PM BUT YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT AN 18-WHEELER OR A BOX TRUCK
2:36:18PM OR WHATEVER FORM FACTOR THAT IS, A BLOCK OR TWO AWAY FROM
2:36:22PM THE BUSINESS THAT IS IMPACTED FOR FIVE TO SEVEN WEEKS.
2:36:27PM SO THAT IS THE EXTENT FROM A DELIVERY STANDPOINT THAT WE
2:36:30PM ANTICIPATE FOR THE MOST PART.
2:36:33PM I SAY FOR THE MOST PART BECAUSE THERE ARE ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS.
2:36:36PM I KNOW EPICUREAN WAS MENTIONED AND BERN'S EARLIER TODAY.
2:36:43PM I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE EPICUREAN HAS TWO DIFFERENT
2:36:47PM ENTRANCES.
2:36:47PM THOSE ENTRANCES ARE CONNECTED ON THE INTERNAL PART.
2:36:51PM OUR PHASING ANTICIPATES TO HAVE ONE OF THESE ENTRANCES TO
2:36:55PM THE EPICUREAN AVAILABLE AND OPEN TO CUSTOMERS AND DELIVERIES
2:37:00PM AT ALL TIMES.
2:37:00PM IT WON'T BE PERFECT.
2:37:03PM BY NO MEANS WILL THIS PROJECT BE PERFECT.
2:37:06PM IT IS DISRUPTIVE IN ITS NATURE GIVEN THAT BOX CULVERTS HAVE
2:37:10PM TO BE BUILT DOWN NARROW SPACE, ABOUT YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY
2:37:13PM WILL BE AVAILABLE.
2:37:15PM ON PATRON ACCESS, GOLF CARTS ARE JUST ONE OPTION THAT THE
2:37:23PM CONTRACTOR WILL EXERCISE.
2:37:26PM AND ANY OTHER CREATIVE IDEAS THERE ARE.

2:37:29PM BUT WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE SIDEWALK ACCESS AVAILABLE FOR OUR
2:37:33PM PATRONS.
2:37:34PM FOR THE PARKING LOTS FOR THE PATRONS, MOST BUSINESSES ON
2:37:38PM HOWARD, MOST BUSINESSES HAVE ACCESS FROM SIDE STREETS TO THE
2:37:44PM PARKING LOTS.
2:37:47PM SOME DO NOT, AND WE WILL WORK WITH THEM, BUT THIS IS MOST
2:37:52PM BUSINESSES ALONG SOUTH HOWARD.
2:37:54PM AND THE GREEN IS IF IT HAS SOME SORT OF ACCESS EITHER
2:37:58PM THROUGH AN ALLEY OR A SIDE STREET.
2:38:02PM WE WILL TAKE CARE OF LIGHTING.
2:38:12PM WE WILL TAKE CARE OF TRAILBLAZING AND WORK THROUGH THAT WITH
2:38:18PM ALL OF THE BUSINESSES TO MAKE SURE PATRONS KNOW WHERE THE
2:38:20PM BUSINESSES ARE THROUGH THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEY HAVE ACCESS
2:38:22PM TO IT PROPERLY.
2:38:25PM CONSTRUCTION MEANS WILL ALSO BE MODIFIED AND KIMMINS CAN
2:38:29PM SPEAK TO THAT TO PROVIDE FASTER, SHORTER SEGMENTS IN THE
2:38:35PM MOST CRITICAL LOCATIONS.
2:38:36PM TYPICALLY YOU HAVE STAGING.
2:38:39PM YOU HAVE RESTORATION, AND YOU HAVE ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION GOING
2:38:43PM ON.
2:38:43PM THAT ONE OR TWO OF THOSE ELEMENTS CAN BE REMOVED IN CERTAIN
2:38:48PM CRITICAL AREAS TO MOVE THROUGH THERE A LITTLE BIT FASTER.
2:38:52PM SO THAT IS AVAILABLE WITHIN THE CONTRACT.
2:38:54PM THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT MAINTENANCE OF TRAFFIC PLAN INCLUDING
2:38:58PM EARLY WORKS THAT WILL RESURFACE SIDE STREETS, THAT WILL TRIM

2:39:02PM TREES TO ACCOMMODATE FOR TRUCKS AND BETTER ACCESS.
2:39:07PM SOLID WASTE, FIRE, AND POLICE WERE MENTIONED.
2:39:10PM WE'VE COORDINATED WITH ALL OF THEM.
2:39:12PM THESE ARE CITY DEPARTMENTS AFTER ALL.
2:39:15PM ALL OF THEM WERE PRESENT IN OUR FEBRUARY MEETING WITH THE
2:39:18PM SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE AND BERN'S AND EPICUREAN THAT
2:39:22PM HAPPENED AT THE EPICUREAN.
2:39:23PM THEY WERE THERE.
2:39:26PM WE WILL, OF COURSE, FOLLOW ALL OF THE APPROPRIATE RULES
2:39:29PM THROUGH THIS CONSTRUCTION PROCESS AS THE PROJECT MOVES
2:39:34PM FORWARD.
2:39:34PM WE HEARD FROM SERVERS TODAY.
2:39:38PM WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY.
2:39:41PM I KNOW SOME OF THEM ARE HERE TODAY.
2:39:43PM WE ARE VERY, VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT ALSO.
2:39:48PM WE UNDERSTAND.
2:39:48PM BY NO MEANS DO WE UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS AS MUCH AS THEY
2:39:52PM DO OR THEIR BUSINESS OWNERS DO, BUT WE'RE THE SAME TEAM THAT
2:39:57PM THROUGH COVID AND THAT INDUSTRY FACED A LOT OF CHALLENGES
2:40:01PM THROUGH COVID THAT SHUT DOWN STREETS TO EXPAND CAPACITY FOR
2:40:05PM RESTAURANTS AND BUSINESSES.
2:40:06PM WE'RE THE SAME TEAM THAT CAME UP WITH CREATIVE RULES FOR
2:40:10PM PARKLETS AND SIDEWALK CAFES.
2:40:12PM SOME OF THOSE RULES THAT WE'VE EXTENDED PAST COVID AND ARE
2:40:16PM STILL TO THIS DAY AVAILABLE TO RESTAURANTS.

2:40:19PM WE WILL WORK WITH THEM WITH EVERYTHING IN OUR MEANS.
2:40:24PM WE WILL SUPPORT BUSINESSES ON HOWARD.
2:40:28PM WE WILL WORK ON PROGRAMS LIKE SHOP HOWARD, SIMILAR TO SHOP
2:40:33PM GANDY.
2:40:34PM IN TOUCH WITH GREG SLATER OF THEA, THEY HAD A VERY
2:40:38PM SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM.
2:40:38PM A COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIP.
2:40:40PM YOU HEARD FROM COMMUNITY MEMBERS TODAY, COMMITTED TO
2:40:43PM PATRONIZING THESE BUSINESSES AS WELL.
2:40:46PM WORKING WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, WORKING WITH CITY
2:40:49PM DEPARTMENTS AND WORKING WITH ANY OTHER INSTITUTIONS TO
2:40:53PM ENSURE THAT WE CAN ALL COME TOGETHER, WORK TOGETHER THROUGH
2:40:58PM THIS IMPORTANT PROJECT, THROUGH THIS CRITICAL NEED.
2:41:03PM IN TERMS OF TIMING, WE'VE HEARD THAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY
2:41:09PM HAS ASKED FOR 120 DAYS TO COORDINATE ON THE DESIGN.
2:41:15PM THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT TO COORDINATE ON WHAT OTHER OPTIONS
2:41:18PM THERE ARE.
2:41:19PM IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE THE DESIGNER ON BOARD FOR THE
2:41:22PM SAME.
2:41:23PM THAT'S THE TASK IN FRONT OF COUNCIL TODAY IS A DESIGN
2:41:28PM CONTRACT.
2:41:28PM AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS WE HAVE ABOUT TWO YEARS TO
2:41:33PM PLAN.
2:41:33PM THE DESIGN PROCESS WILL TAKE ABOUT A YEAR.
2:41:37PM THERE IS A YEAR OF EARLY WORKS AS WELL, WHICH WILL HAVE A

2:41:40PM FULL LANE ON HOWARD OPEN.
2:41:42PM SO THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME TO WORK TOGETHER AND PLAN THIS OUT
2:41:46PM AND UNDERSTAND HOW WE CAN ALL HELP EACH OTHER TO PROVIDE
2:41:50PM THIS FLOOD MITIGATION IN THE AREA.
2:41:53PM AND ON THAT NOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO REITERATE THAT WE HAVE
2:41:56PM DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
2:41:59PM IF THERE WERE BETTER ROUTES OR IF THERE WERE BETTER OPTIONS,
2:42:03PM WE DON'T HAVE ANY VESTED INTEREST AS PUBLIC SERVANTS NOT TO
2:42:08PM PUT THOSE FORTH.
2:42:09PM IT'S IN THE CHARTER AND WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.
2:42:12PM PUBLIC SAFETY AND WELFARE IS WHAT WE DO.
2:42:15PM AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE LONG TERM OVER THREE GENERATIONS
2:42:19PM AND THE NEEDS OF THREE GENERATIONS, BALANCING THEM WITH REAL
2:42:24PM CHALLENGES WITH BUSINESS ACCESS.
2:42:26PM BUT WE'VE DONE OUR HOMEWORK.
2:42:28PM WE'VE GOT A GREAT TEAM ON BOARD.
2:42:30PM THEY ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY ON THIS, AND WE
2:42:33PM WILL WORK WITH THEM.
2:42:34PM I'LL JUST END BY SAYING, WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU AGAIN IS A
2:42:41PM DESIGN TASK.
2:42:42PM YOU'RE GOING TO GET ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE IN LOOKING AT
2:42:47PM THE CONSTRUCTION ASPECT OF THIS.
2:42:49PM BUT HAVING OUR DESIGNERS ON BOARD WILL ALLOW US TO BETTER
2:42:54PM ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY, BETTER ENGAGE THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
2:42:59PM IF THEY HAVE EXPERTS AND THEY HAVE ENGINEERS WITH IDEAS, IT

2:43:02PM IS OUR DESIGNERS THAT ULTIMATELY NEED TO WORK WITH THEM TO
2:43:06PM REALLY GET US TO DELIVER THIS PROJECT.
2:43:10PM SO I WILL END WITH THAT AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY
2:43:14PM QUESTIONS.
2:43:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
2:43:15PM THAT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION.
2:43:18PM MR. BHIDE, THE FIRST OF THE FLOODED HOMES THAT I VISITED
2:43:23PM WERE IN PALMA CEIA PINES ON HABANA.
2:43:25PM PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE.
2:43:27PM I WENT INTO SEVERAL HOMES WITH THE DRYWALL CUT OUT AND THE
2:43:32PM FLOOR TORN OUT.
2:43:33PM AGAIN, I'VE BEEN HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.
2:43:38PM I CAN'T REMEMBER A TIME WHEN THAT AREA NORTH OF SWANN
2:43:41PM FLOODED.
2:43:42PM I UNDERSTAND HOWARD, SWANN, AREAS SOUTH OF THERE, BUT THESE
2:43:45PM HOUSES HAVE FLOODED.
2:43:47PM WE WALK THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
2:43:49PM THIS IS WITHOUT ANY PEOPLE FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA, MY
2:43:52PM LEGISLATIVE AIDE AND I WENT THERE AFTER THE MEETING.
2:43:56PM AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE STORMWATER INLETS AT ONE OF
2:44:01PM THE -- YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE INTERSECTIONS.
2:44:02PM I'M LOOKING AT IT AND I CAN'T SEE WHERE THE WATER WOULD FLOW
2:44:08PM TO.
2:44:08PM YOU TALKED ABOUT REPAVING AND GRADING.
2:44:11PM WE LOOKED AT THE STORMWATER RETENTION POND THAT WAS UNDER

2:44:16PM ONE OF THE PARKING LOTS.
2:44:17PM WE LOOKED AT A DEAD END AREA THAT WAS FENCED OFF.
2:44:21PM AND WITH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS WE GO, LOOK AT THIS.
2:44:23PM IT'S NOT EVEN KEPT UP.
2:44:25PM IT'S NOT CLEAN.
2:44:26PM THE WATER HAS REALLY -- IT'S A DESIGN FLAW.
2:44:30PM I LOOK AT PARKLAND SOUTH OF SWANN AND NORTH OF SWANN AS TWO
2:44:34PM DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
2:44:35PM WHY CAN'T WE DO IMMEDIATE SHORT-TERM FIXES TO THE PALMA CEIA
2:44:41PM PINES?
2:44:41PM I HAD THIS DISCUSSION WITH THE PREVIOUS MAYOR.
2:44:44PM LOOK, THE ASPHALT IS TOO HIGH.
2:44:45PM THE WATER CAN'T FLOW INTO THE STORM DRAINS.
2:44:48PM STORM DRAINS AREN'T CLEAN.
2:44:50PM THIS WATER GOES INTO A DEAD END AND NOT EVEN CONNECTING TO
2:44:53PM THE STORMWATER POND.
2:44:54PM TO ME, NOT THE ENGINEER, WE'RE THE FINANCE PEOPLE AT THIS
2:44:58PM POINT BECAUSE YOU'RE ASKING US FOR ALMOST $8 MILLION TODAY.
2:45:02PM WHY CAN'T WE IMMEDIATELY ADDRESS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD NOW?
2:45:05PM IT DOES NOT -- I WENT OVER THIS CONTRACT THE OTHER DAY.
2:45:09PM I WENT OVER IT AGAIN.
2:45:11PM AND I WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION, WAS PALMA CEIA PINES
2:45:14PM CONSIDERED BEFORE MILTON?
2:45:16PM BECAUSE THE CONTRACT ONLY TALKS ABOUT SOUTH OF SWANN.
2:45:19PM THE PEOPLE ARE HERE.

2:45:20PM MANY PEOPLE FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HERE.
2:45:22PM IT'S GOING TO RAIN AGAIN.
2:45:23PM RIGHT NOW, HURRICANE SEASON IS OVER.
2:45:27PM IT RAINED A LITTLE BIT YESTERDAY AND I WAS TERRIFIED GOING,
2:45:29PM IT'S GOING TO RAIN ON WEDNESDAY RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING.
2:45:31PM IT'S GOING TO RAIN WEDNESDAY.
2:45:33PM UP ALL NIGHT WAITING ON THIS RAIN.
2:45:34PM THE RAINY SEASON IS GOING TO START AGAIN THIS SUMMER.
2:45:41PM WHAT CAN WE DO FOR THEM TODAY?
2:45:42PM I'VE BEEN IN THOSE HOUSES?
2:45:44PM IF YOU LOOK AT THE CURBS, THEIR ENTIRE LIFE IS OUT -- YOU
2:45:49PM KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THE DEBRIS HAS BEEN PICKED UP
2:45:52PM BECAUSE I WOULD DRIVE THROUGH THERE AT LEAST TWICE A DAY
2:45:55PM UNTIL MY WIFE FINALLY SAID ENOUGH.
2:45:57PM IT'S 10:00 ON A SATURDAY NIGHT.
2:46:01PM STOP.
2:46:01PM BECAUSE I CARE.
2:46:02PM WHAT CAN WE DO FOR THAT NEIGHBORHOOD NOW?
2:46:04PM BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO START RAINING IN JUNE AND JULY.
2:46:09PM WE GET THE HEAVY AFTERNOON RAINS.
2:46:11PM REGARDLESS OF THE PROJECT, AGAIN, I NEVER SAW THAT AREA
2:46:14PM FLOOD UNTIL MILTON.
2:46:15PM YES, IT WAS A HURRICANE, BUT WHEN PEOPLE TELL ME NO, WHEN
2:46:20PM THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION TOLD ME NO, WHEN WE PASSED THIS
2:46:23PM ORIGINAL STORMWATER ASSESSMENT, IT'S EXTREMELY FRUSTRATING.

2:46:27PM IT'S, THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT.
2:46:29PM THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT.
2:46:30PM EVERYTHING WAS NO.
2:46:31PM I'M NOT THAT STUPID THAT I CAN'T FIGURE OUT COMMON SENSE
2:46:35PM GOING THE WATER HAS NOWHERE TO FLOW TO.
2:46:37PM PARKLAND ESTATES IS DIFFERENT.
2:46:41PM IT ACTS AS A BASIN.
2:46:43PM I SAW THE VIDEOS FLOWING DOWN ARMENIA AND OTHER STREETS FROM
2:46:47PM PALMA CEIA PINES INTO PARKLAND, FLOODING THOSE.
2:46:50PM I'VE BEEN IN THOSE HOUSES TOO. THAT IS ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD
2:46:54PM GOING IN TWICE A DAY UNTIL THEY GET THEIR DEBRIS PICKED UP.
2:46:58PM WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE TODAY ON HOWARD AVENUE ABOUT THEIR
2:47:00PM BUSINESSES BEING AFFECTED.
2:47:03PM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY EMPLOYEES, A THOUSAND, 1700, 2,500.
2:47:07PM I'VE HEARD SO MANY NUMBERS.
2:47:09PM THIS IS A MAJORLY IMPACTFUL PROJECT.
2:47:13PM I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY.
2:47:15PM WE TALKED ABOUT 120 DAY CONTINUANCE.
2:47:18PM YOU SAY NO.
2:47:19PM IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY, THE DESIGN-BUILD, IT GOES INTO
2:47:23PM THAT SAME TIMELINE.
2:47:25PM YOU ALLOW THE DESIGN TO HAPPEN.
2:47:27PM BUT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, ONCE WE APPROVE A DESIGN-BUILD
2:47:30PM AND YES, THERE ARE OTHER BITES AT THE APPLE, THE SHIP HAS
2:47:33PM SAILED.

2:47:33PM WE CAN'T CANCEL THE PROJECT.
2:47:35PM MAYBE THE MAYOR CAN CANCEL A CONTRACT.
2:47:37PM BUT IT'S A POINT OF NO RETURN.
2:47:39PM WHAT I'M SAYING IS, YOU HAVE STORMWATER ENGINEERS.
2:47:44PM I RESPECT ALL OF YOU.
2:47:45PM YOU'VE HAD MULTIPLE OPINIONS.
2:47:47PM BUT I REMEMBER A STORY -- I'LL CLOSE WITH THIS -- I MET A
2:47:51PM MAN WHO HAD A BRAIN TUMOR.
2:47:55PM THE REASON THE CONVERSATION CAME UP, BECAUSE HE WENT TO A
2:47:58PM NEUROSURGEON, LAST NAME MANISCALCO.
2:48:00PM HE SAID NOBODY WANTED TO OPERATE ON ME.
2:48:02PM EVERY SPECIALIST SAYS, THERE'S NOTHING I CAN DO.
2:48:05PM NOTHING I CAN DO UNTIL DR. MANISCALCO WAS ABLE TO OPERATE
2:48:09PM AND I'M ALIVE TODAY.
2:48:10PM NOW THIS HAS BEEN 20 YEARS AND THE MAN IS STILL ALIVE.
2:48:14PM HE WENT TO THE EXPERTS BUT HE GOT DIFFERENT OPINIONS.
2:48:17PM WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES 120 DAYS MAKE ON
2:48:22PM SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE?
2:48:23PM YOU'RE ASKING US, COULD BE 65 MILLION-DOLLAR TOTAL.
2:48:27PM COULD BE MORE.
2:48:28PM TODAY ASKING FOR $7.7 MILLION.
2:48:31PM WHY CAN'T WE GET OTHER OPINIONS?
2:48:33PM WHY CAN'T WE ADDRESS PALMA CEIA PINES RIGHT NOW?
2:48:36PM I THINK THAT IS THE EASIEST PART OF THE PROJECT.
2:48:39PM >>VIK BHIDE: I HEARD THREE THINGS.

2:48:42PM WHY CAN'T WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT PALMA CEIA PINES RIGHT NOW.
2:48:47PM I HEARD HAS PALMA CEIA PINES BEEN CONSIDERED AS PART OF THIS
2:48:51PM PROJECT BEFORE MILTON.
2:48:53PM AND THE THIRD IS THE 120 DAY CONTINUANCE.
2:48:56PM I'LL START WITH HAS PALMA CEIA PINES BEEN CONSIDERED BEFORE
2:49:01PM MILTON?
2:49:02PM ON THE ELMO RIGHT NOW IS THE FIRST PAGE OF THE JMT REPORT
2:49:08PM THAT SHOWS WHAT THE WATERSHED IS.
2:49:10PM THIS IS A GRAVITY SYSTEM, MEANING YOU HAVE PALMA CEIA PINES
2:49:14PM ON TOP.
2:49:15PM THEN YOU'VE GOT PARKLAND ESTATES.
2:49:17PM THEN YOU'VE GOT NEW SUBURB BEAUTIFUL, BAYSHORE BEAUTIFUL AND
2:49:22PM BAYSHORE.
2:49:22PM THIS IS A SHEET FLOW GRAVITY SYSTEM THAT'S BEEN THAT WAY DUE
2:49:29PM TO THE GEOLOGY AND HYDROLOGY OF THE AREA.
2:49:32PM SO WHEN YOU INCREASE THE DRAINAGE BY FIVE TIMES FROM
2:49:39PM PARKLAND ESTATES ON DOWN, WHAT IT CREATES IS THE OPPORTUNITY
2:49:44PM THAT MANY TIMES OVER, UP TO THE CAPACITY OF THE 36-INCH PIPE
2:49:48PM ON AUDUBON FOR FLOWS FROM PALMA CEIA INTO PARKLAND ESTATES
2:49:54PM TO THE OUTFALL.
2:49:55PM SO THERE IS A DIRECT BENEFIT BY DOING JUST THAT.
2:49:58PM THERE IS NOTHING IN THIS CONTRACT THAT PRECLUDES US AS PART
2:50:04PM OF THE DESIGN PROCESS FROM UPPING THE SIZE OF THE 36-INCH
2:50:09PM PIPE TO PALMA CEIA PINES AS WELL.
2:50:11PM SO THAT IS PART OF THIS ALSO.

2:50:13PM PALMA CEIA PINES HAS BEEN CONSIDERED FROM DAY ONE.
2:50:17PM A LOT OF THE INITIAL ENGAGEMENT AFTER THE 2015 FLOODING WAS
2:50:24PM DONE WITH PARKLAND ESTATES, ADMITTEDLY SO.
2:50:26PM THROUGH THE PLANNING STAGES.
2:50:29PM BUT THIS IMPACTS THE WATERSHED.
2:50:31PM AND PALMA CEIA PINES IS PART OF THE WATERSHED.
2:50:34PM OUR COMMITMENT IS TO ADDRESS STRUCTURAL FLOODING IN PALMA
2:50:38PM CEIA PINES AND PARKLAND AND THE ENTIRE WATERSHED FOR THE
2:50:44PM METRICS THAT WE SAID.
2:50:46PM THE OTHER PART OF IT WAS, WHAT ARE THE SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS
2:50:49PM FOR PALMA CEIA PINES.
2:50:51PM WHY CAN'T WE DO ANYTHING RIGHT NOW?
2:50:52PM SO THE JMT REPORT DOES MENTION THAT WE NEED TO PAVE AND
2:50:58PM REPROFILE THE STREETS.
2:51:00PM WE ARE GOING TO PAVE AND REPROFILE THE STREETS IN PALMA CEIA
2:51:04PM PINES.
2:51:04PM AS OUR IN-HOUSE PAVING TEAMS WERE DOING HOWARD AND ARMENIA,
2:51:09PM PALMA CEIA PINES IS JUST TO THE WEST OF THAT.
2:51:12PM THAT'S WHERE KIND OF THAT WATERSHED BEGINS, WE HAD NOTICED
2:51:17PM THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE WOULD BE PAVING THERE.
2:51:20PM THEN WE GOT THE STORMS.
2:51:21PM SO THAT WHOLE TIMELINE HAS SHIFTED BUT SHIFTED BY MONTHS AND
2:51:24PM NOT MORE THAN THAT.
2:51:25PM SO WE WILL BE OUT THERE PAVING.
2:51:28PM THAT WILL INCLUDE REPROFILING, INCORPORATING SOME OF THE JMT

2:51:33PM REPORT RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CHANNEL THAT WATER BETTER.
2:51:36PM AS FAR AS THE EXISTING SYSTEM AT THE AMI POND AND ITS
2:51:42PM DESIGN, THE DESIGN YOU MENTIONED WAS NOT RIGHT.
2:51:45PM I WOULD SAY THE DESIGN IS JUST ANTIQUATED RELATIVE TO OUR
2:51:50PM NEEDS.
2:51:50PM THE DESIGN IS FROM DECADES AGO.
2:51:53PM THE POND IS A VAULT BUILT DECADES AGO.
2:51:57PM IS IT SUFFICIENT?
2:51:58PM IT'S NOT.
2:52:00PM THAT'S ALSO ON THE FIRST PAGE OF THE JMT REPORT.
2:52:03PM THAT FOR THIS WATERSHED, THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS NOT
2:52:06PM SUFFICIENT AND THE OUTFALL IS NOT SUFFICIENT.
2:52:08PM THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE FOR HERE.
2:52:11PM THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK TOWARDS.
2:52:14PM ON THE 120-DAY CONTINUANCE, I DIDN'T REFUSE OR SAY THAT WE
2:52:19PM SHOULDN'T DO IT.
2:52:21PM WHAT I'M SAYING IS THE DESIGN IS GOING TO TAKE ONE YEAR.
2:52:24PM THERE IS ONE YEAR TO DO EARLY WORKS WHEN ONE FULL LANE ON
2:52:29PM HOWARD IS AVAILABLE AS UTILITIES ARE BEING RELOCATED, WATER,
2:52:34PM WASTEWATER, OTHERS.
2:52:35PM WE HAVE THAT MUCH TIME AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGN.
2:52:41PM SO LET'S HAVE THE DESIGNER ON BOARD TO SUPPORT THESE
2:52:45PM CONVERSATIONS.
2:52:46PM WE'RE ALREADY PROVIDING FOR RESOURCES IN THIS CONTRACT FOR
2:52:50PM EXACTLY THAT.

2:52:51PM SO ANOTHER FEW STAKEHOLDERS ARE WELCOME TO THIS
2:52:55PM CONVERSATION.
2:52:55PM THAT'S OUR GOAL.
2:52:56PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ONE LAST QUESTION.
2:52:59PM IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY AND THE DESIGN -- EVERYTHING GOES
2:53:03PM ON SCHEDULE, THE PROJECT BEGINS AT BAYSHORE AND IT GOES
2:53:07PM NORTH.
2:53:07PM >>VIK BHIDE: CORRECT.
2:53:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: LET'S SAY IT TAKES THREE YEARS OR FOUR
2:53:11PM YEARS.
2:53:12PM LET'S SAY THREE TO FOUR YEARS.
2:53:13PM IT DOESN'T END AT SWANN UNTIL THE END OF THE PROJECT AND
2:53:17PM THEN IT IS ALL COMPLETED, CORRECT?
2:53:23PM >>VIK BHIDE: CORRECT.
2:53:23PM I WOULD LIKE TO CAVEAT THAT.
2:53:25PM THERE WILL BE WORK ALONG HOWARD AVENUE AND SIDE STREETS THAT
2:53:28PM HAPPEN WELL BEFORE THAT.
2:53:29PM THE EARLY WORK.
2:53:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOU MENTIONED THE REPAVING AND GRADING
2:53:34PM OF PALMA CEIA PINES.
2:53:35PM WHEN DOES THAT TAKE PLACE?
2:53:37PM >>VIK BHIDE: RIGHT NOW.
2:53:38PM WITHIN MONTHS.
2:53:38PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: BECAUSE THEY ARE SITTING BEHIND YOU.
2:53:41PM THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE, WE WANT IT NOW.

2:53:45PM I MEAN, IT'S STRUCTURAL, PHYSICAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL DAMAGE.
2:53:51PM >>VIK BHIDE: ABSOLUTELY.
2:53:51PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M NOT AFFECTED BY IT BUT YESTERDAY IT
2:53:53PM WAS GOING TO RAIN AND I SAID WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NOW?
2:53:56PM THANKFULLY NOTHING HAPPENED.
2:53:58PM BUT THE RAINY SEASON WILL BE HERE COME THIS SUMMER.
2:54:02PM I DON'T WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE FALSE HOPE.
2:54:04PM THREE TO FOUR YEARS, AFTER YOU GO THROUGH THREE SUMMER
2:54:07PM STORMS, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, AFTER YOUR HOUSE REPEATEDLY FLOODS
2:54:11PM BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS NO, WE CAN'T DO THIS OTHER THAN PAVE
2:54:13PM YOUR ROAD, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE FALSE HOPE.
2:54:17PM PEOPLE COME TO US LOOKING FOR HELP AS CITY COUNCIL, OUR
2:54:20PM HANDS ARE I DON'T WANT TO SAY TIED BUT WE CAN'T KEEP SAYING,
2:54:24PM WELL, YOU KNOW, WELL, YOU KNOW.
2:54:26PM THEY WANT SOLUTIONS.
2:54:28PM THEY ARE PAYING A FORTUNE OUT OF POCKET.
2:54:31PM I'LL JUST KEEP TALKING AND GO TO OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS.
2:54:34PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN, YOU ASKED TO BE RECOGNIZED FIRST
2:54:36PM AND WHOEVER ELSE.
2:54:39PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: THANK YOU.
2:54:42PM I APPRECIATE YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THE CITY AND THEIR
2:54:45PM RESPONSIVENESS TO THIS COMPLEX ISSUE.
2:54:47PM LIKE CHAIRMAN MANISCALCO, I'VE ALSO BEEN IN THESE HOMES AND
2:54:53PM I'VE SEEN THE ISSUES THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN BOTH OF THE
2:54:55PM NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED.

2:54:57PM CLEARLY, THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IS DECADES IN THE MAKING.
2:55:03PM IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE RESOLVED OVERNIGHT IN
2:55:07PM SPITE OF I THINK PEOPLES WISHES AND DESIRES.
2:55:10PM WE CAN POINT FINGERS BACKWARDS AT FORMER LEADERS AND FORMER
2:55:13PM OFFICIALS THAT MAY BE EITHER -- DIDN'T HAVE THE POLITICAL
2:55:17PM COURAGE TO STAND UP AND DO SOMETHING OR JUST FOR WHATEVER
2:55:21PM REASON IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
2:55:24PM ALL WE CAN DO IS DEAL WITH THE CIRCUMSTANCES WE HAVE IN
2:55:26PM FRONT OF US TODAY.
2:55:27PM WE HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN NEGATIVELY IMPACTED BY
2:55:31PM FRESHWATER FLOODING IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS AND OTHERS.
2:55:34PM WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TODAY, BUT THERE
2:55:37PM ARE OTHER AREAS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
2:55:40PM HONESTLY, EVERY ONE OF OUR COUNCIL DISTRICTS HAVE
2:55:49PM EXPERIENCED SOME DEGREE OF FRESHWATER FLOODING.
2:55:52PM FROM DEVASTATION TO MINOR.
2:55:56PM WE HAD THE CONVERSATION ABOUT VOTING ON EMPTY BOX.
2:56:07PM NOT NECESSARILY WHAT IS INSIDE.
2:56:08PM I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE CONTEXT.
2:56:10PM YOU HEAR FROM EVERYBODY.
2:56:13PM EVERYBODY WHO STOOD BEFORE US HAD FROM PERSPECTIVE, LIFE
2:56:16PM EXPERIENCES, BUSINESS EXPERIENCES, HAD VALID CONCERNS.
2:56:19PM IT IS A SHAME THAT IT GIVES A TONE OF US AGAINST THEM.
2:56:23PM REALLY, IT'S EVERYBODY COMING TO THE TABLE WITH THEIR OWN
2:56:27PM WANTS, NEEDS, DESIRES, HEARTACHE, FINANCIAL STRAINS, WHETHER

2:56:32PM PERSONAL, BECAUSE I HAVE FOUND PERSONALLY FLOOD INSURANCE
2:56:35PM DOES NOT COVER DAMAGES THAT YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO.
2:56:39PM IT COSTS YOU A LOT OF MONEY OUT OF POCKET WHICH I'M DEALING
2:56:42PM WITH MYSELF.
2:56:43PM BECAUSE I HAD FLOOD DAMAGE.
2:56:45PM SO EVERYBODY HAS THEIR PERSPECTIVE.
2:56:49PM THAT'S WHY I HOPE EVERYBODY REALIZES REGARDLESS OF WHAT
2:56:52PM NEIGHBORHOOD YOU LIVE IN, WHETHER YOU ARE A BUSINESS OR
2:56:55PM HOMEOWNER, THE PEOPLE COMING BEFORE US TODAY ALL HAVE VALID
2:56:58PM CONCERNS AND THEY JUST WANT TO BE HEARD BY THE SAME
2:57:00PM GOVERNMENT THAT THEY PAY TAXES TO AND WE ALL PAY TAXES AND
2:57:03PM ALL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY.
2:57:04PM I THINK SOMEBODY SAID WHAT DO YOU EXPECT OUT OF YOUR
2:57:07PM GOVERNMENT?
2:57:07PM PROVIDE YOU CLEAN WATER.
2:57:09PM TAKE THE DIRTY WATER OUT OF YOUR HOUSE, TRASH PICKED UP AND
2:57:13PM YOU WANT SAFETY AND SECURITY.
2:57:14PM ALL THIS OTHER STUFF WE DO IN THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE
2:57:17PM SHOULDN'T DO ANY OF IT UNTIL ALL OF THAT IS TAKEN CARE OF.
2:57:21PM THAT IS THE BASIC FOUNDATION OF WHAT GOVERNMENT SHOULD DO.
2:57:24PM I CIRCLE BACK TO THE CONTEXT I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE.
2:57:28PM WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IN THIS PROJECT IS I THINK YOU ALL AND
2:57:33PM YOUR CONSULTANTS SHOULD COME BACK WITH PROPOSALS ON LIKE
2:57:39PM THREE PROPOSALS.
2:57:40PM ONE PROPOSAL SHOULD INCLUDE A ROUTE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE

2:57:43PM HOWARD AVENUE.
2:57:43PM ONE PROPOSAL SHOULD INCLUDE A ROUTE THAT DOES NOT GO THROUGH
2:57:46PM PARKLAND ESTATES.
2:57:47PM AND ONE PROPOSAL SHOULD INCLUDE A ROUTE THAT USES SWANN TO
2:57:51PM REACH HOWARD AVENUE.
2:57:52PM AND LOOK AT THOSE PROPOSALS.
2:57:55PM I DON'T BELIEVE -- WE ALREADY PASSED THIS UNANIMOUSLY.
2:57:57PM I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE PROPOSALS SHOULD INCLUDE BRISTOL
2:58:01PM BECAUSE OF THE TREMENDOUS IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON BRISTOL
2:58:04PM AVENUE.
2:58:05PM THIS COUNCIL ALREADY EXPRESSED THAT DESIRE.
2:58:07PM I THINK EVERY PROPOSAL THAT IS CREATED, NOT JUST -- BECAUSE
2:58:12PM THE MILLION IS GOOD AND IT WILL RESOLVE SOME ISSUES.
2:58:16PM THE SYSTEMIC ISSUES THAT WE HAVE SPECIFICALLY IN PALMA CEIA
2:58:20PM PINES ALONG AZEELE, BUSINESSES AND HOMES ALONG THAT STREET.
2:58:23PM WE NEED MORE OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
2:58:26PM I KNOW IT'S GOING TO COST MORE MONEY AND WE'LL HAVE TO FIND
2:58:29PM THAT MONEY, OR BOND THAT MONEY, BUT I THINK THE PROPOSAL,
2:58:33PM THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT HAS TO BE EXPANDED SO THAT WHEN
2:58:37PM WE'RE ENGINEERING THIS VERY SIGNIFICANT MITIGATION PROCESS,
2:58:44PM THAT PALMA CEIA PINES IS INCLUDED AS EQUAL PARTS OF THIS
2:58:50PM EQUATION OF THIS WATERSHED OF TAKING THIS WATER FROM THESE
2:58:54PM NEIGHBORHOODS TO AN OUTFALL.
2:58:57PM I CONCUR WITH YOUR ASSESSMENTS ABOUT THE PONDS, POTENTIAL OF
2:59:03PM OVERFLOWING AND OUTFALL OBVIOUSLY IS THE MOST DESIRABLE WAY

2:59:05PM OF SHEDDING WATER OUT OF HERE, GETTING IT SOMEPLACE WHERE WE
2:59:09PM HAVE AN ABILITY TO GET IT OFF OF THE GROUND.
2:59:11PM THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE.
2:59:15PM FRAME THE CONTEXT OF THIS APPROVAL FOR DESIGN-BUILD, THAT
2:59:18PM THAT CONTEXT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THOSE THREE TYPES OF
2:59:23PM EQUATIONS THAT WE'RE NOT USING BRISTOL, AND THAT ALL -- THAT
2:59:28PM WE EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT TO INCLUDE PALMA CEIA
2:59:31PM PINES AND BEING ABLE TO GET THE WATER OUT OF THAT
2:59:34PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
2:59:34PM BECAUSE WHAT I FEAR IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'RE GOING
2:59:36PM TO PUT IN PLACE FOR THE PARKLAND ESTATES PORTION THAT HAS
2:59:41PM BEEN CONCEIVED, MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ENGINEERED AND DESIGNED
2:59:44PM TO FIT WELL WITH TAKING THE WATER OUT OF PALMA CEIA PINES.
2:59:48PM I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCEPT, YOU GET THE WATER OUT AND STILL
2:59:50PM SOMEPLACE TO FLOW.
2:59:51PM BUT WE STILL HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE VOLUME IS SUFFICIENT TO
2:59:54PM GET IT OFF THE LAND AND TO WHERE WE WANT IT TO GO.
2:59:56PM THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASK FOR YOU.
3:00:01PM I WOULD SUPPORT THIS PROCESS OF DESIGN-BUILD WITH THESE
3:00:04PM CAVEATS.
3:00:14PM >>VIK BHIDE: COUNCILMAN, POINT VERY WELL TAKEN.
3:00:16PM I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
3:00:17PM WE'LL LOOK AT IT.
3:00:18PM WE ALSO HEARD VERY CLEARLY FROM THE COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS
3:00:20PM RELATIVE TO BRISTOL.

3:00:21PM I JUST CAN'T MAKE A COMMITMENT UNTIL THE DESIGNERS DO THE
3:00:27PM DESIGN AND FOLLOW THE PROCESS OF DISCOVERY BASED ON FACTS
3:00:33PM AND EVIDENCE, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
3:00:35PM BUT THAT WILL BE OUR GOAL.
3:00:36PM THAT IS OUR COMMITMENT IS TO BRING THE COMMUNITY TOGETHER
3:00:39PM AND DELIVER A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR ALL WITH MOST
3:00:45PM CONSIDERATIONS BEING FULFILLED.
3:00:46PM ON A COUPLE OF THINGS YOU MENTIONED ABOUT LOOKING AT SWANN,
3:00:53PM SWANN CONNECTING TO HOWARD IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE -- OKAY.
3:00:57PM GOT IT.
3:00:57PM PERFECT.
3:00:58PM CLARIFICATION THERE APPRECIATED.
3:01:04PM ALSO, I'D LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT THE ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION
3:01:06PM FOR THIS PROJECT WAS MORRISON, BUT BECAUSE OF GRAND TREE
3:01:10PM CONSIDERATIONS AND SHORT SEGMENT, IT WAS THEN MOVED TO
3:01:13PM BRISTOL, BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE CONCERNS WITH BRISTOL, WE
3:01:17PM LOOKED AT -- WE PUT ALL THREE OUT THERE AND SAID WE WOULD DO
3:01:21PM THE DISCOVERY.
3:01:22PM SO YOUR RECOMMENDATION IS VERY MUCH CONSISTENT WITH THAT, OF
3:01:26PM LOOKING AT ALL OF THEM.
3:01:28PM BUT I WANT TO ASSURE COUNCIL THAT WE ARE AWARE OF THE
3:01:32PM COMMUNITY'S CONCERNS AROUND BRISTOL AND IF THERE'S ANY WAY
3:01:37PM WE CAN DO ANOTHER ROUTE THAT WILL BE OUR GOAL, BUT THAT WILL
3:01:41PM HAVE TO BE A FUNCTION OF THE DESIGN.
3:01:45PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE

3:01:47PM REFERENCE THE ENGINEERS.
3:01:48PM WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION.
3:01:51PM IN MAKING THESE DETERMINATIONS, ENGINEERS COME FROM I WANT
3:01:56PM TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B, HOW AM I GOING TO DO IT,
3:02:00PM BULLDOZER, RIGHT?
3:02:01PM STAFF COMES TO IT FROM ANOTHER TYPE OF PERSPECTIVE AND THEN
3:02:04PM YOU HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE BUSINESSES AND THEN YOU
3:02:06PM HAVE THE POLITICIANS.
3:02:07PM IT'S UP TO THE POLITICIANS TO KIND OF THROW ALL OF THOSE
3:02:12PM THINGS ONTO A SCALE AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MEETS
3:02:16PM EVERYBODY'S NEEDS.
3:02:16PM I GET THE FACT THAT WE WANT TO RELY ON THE CONSULTANTS AND
3:02:19PM ENGINEERS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO GIVE EQUAL WEIGHT TO ALL THE
3:02:24PM COMPONENTS.
3:02:24PM >>VIK BHIDE: ABSOLUTELY.
3:02:26PM I APPRECIATE YOUR KIND OF UNIFYING MESSAGE HERE ON THAT.
3:02:29PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MR. SHELBY, DID YOU WANT TO GO BEFORE
3:02:33PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON?
3:02:35PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: YES, BECAUSE IT'S COME UP AS A RESULT OF
3:02:39PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN'S DISCUSSION.
3:02:42PM TWO PEOPLE DURING PUBLIC COMMENT REFERENCED A PRIOR MOTION
3:02:47PM OF COUNCIL.
3:02:47PM I BELIEVE IT WAS MADE IN JUNE.
3:02:49PM THAT WAS A SPECIFIC OFFICIAL DIRECTION OF COUNCIL AT THAT
3:02:54PM TIME, AND THAT MOTION IS STILL OUT THERE.

3:02:58PM SO I'M CONCERNED THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE -- THAT MOTION NEEDS
3:03:04PM TO BE ADDRESSED BEFORE YOU TAKE UP THIS MOTION BECAUSE I
3:03:07PM BELIEVE THEY ARE CONTRARY.
3:03:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WELL, I THINK THAT MOTION STILL STANDS,
3:03:12PM AND THAT WAS MY REITERATION OF BASICALLY RESTATING IT WHEN I
3:03:17PM WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES.
3:03:18PM THAT STILL STANDS, IF THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL.
3:03:23PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF IT STANDS, THEN WHAT'S BEING BROUGHT TO
3:03:25PM YOU OUT OF ORDER?
3:03:27PM >>VIK BHIDE: IF I COULD ADDRESS THAT, CHAIR, SO I DON'T
3:03:32PM BELIEVE IT IS BECAUSE WHAT IS IN FRONT OF COUNCIL RIGHT NOW
3:03:38PM INCLUDES OPTIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE MOTION.
3:03:40PM THE MOTION WAS TO PRECLUDE A CERTAIN ROUTE.
3:03:44PM AND WHAT IS IN FRONT OF YOU ARE OPTIONS THAT DO THAT ITSELF.
3:03:49PM ALL I'M SAYING --
3:03:54PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO GIVE YOU MY TAKE ON THIS AND LEGAL AND
3:03:58PM MR. BHIDE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
3:04:00PM STAFF HAS COME FORWARD WITH A PROPOSAL FOR DESIGN-BUILD ON
3:04:03PM THIS PROJECT.
3:04:05PM PREVIOUSLY, THIS COUNCIL PASSED A MOTION WITH GUIDANCE IN
3:04:09PM REFERENCE TO THE ONE ROUTE, SAYING AGAINST THE BRISTOL
3:04:12PM ROUTE.
3:04:13PM THAT STILL STANDS, SO THIS REQUEST FROM STAFF, THE PROPOSALS
3:04:21PM THAT WILL COME THROUGH WILL NOT INCLUDE BRISTOL.
3:04:27PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I HAVE TO REVIEW, WHAT DOES THE CONTRACT

3:04:29PM SAY?
3:04:29PM WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY VOTING ON BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE VOTING
3:04:33PM ON CONTROLS?
3:04:34PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THE CONTRACT HAS BRISTOL AS A POSSIBLE
3:04:37PM SOMETHING.
3:04:37PM IT'S ON THE MAP.
3:04:39PM >>VIK BHIDE: IT'S SOMETHING TO BE REVIEWED.
3:04:41PM SO THE CONTRACT RIGHT NOW IS A DESIGN TASK.
3:04:45PM IT'S NOT FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
3:04:52PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, DO WE UNDERSTAND SO
3:04:55PM THE CONTRACT, BRISTOL HAS TO BE STRICKEN FROM THAT CONTRACT.
3:04:58PM >>VIK BHIDE: IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN MY OPINION.
3:05:01PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IS THE CONTRACT IN FRONT OF THEM?
3:05:03PM IS THE CONTRACT IN FRONT OF THEM TODAY?
3:05:07PM >>VIK BHIDE: THE CONTRACT IS IN FRONT OF THEM TODAY.
3:05:09PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DOES THE CONTRACT IN FRONT OF THEM REFLECT
3:05:11PM ANY REFERENCE TO BRISTOL?
3:05:13PM >>VIK BHIDE: IT DOES.
3:05:14PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: THEN WHAT YOU'RE VOTING ON INCLUDES
3:05:16PM BRISTOL.
3:05:18PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: TO PASS THIS, MAKE A SUBSEQUENT MOTION TO
3:05:20PM ENSURE THAT'S STRICKEN FROM THE CONTRACT.
3:05:25PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: DON'T GET TO NEGOTIATE CONTRACTS AT THIS
3:05:27PM POINT.
3:05:27PM AND, BY THE WAY, THE QUESTION IS, I GUESS THIS MAYBE IS A

3:05:30PM QUESTION FOR LEGAL, BUT IF YOU PASS THIS THEN AND THEY COME
3:05:34PM BACK AND SAY YOUR ROUTE IS BRISTOL THEN WHAT IS YOUR REMEDY
3:05:39PM AS A COUNCIL TO THAT?
3:05:46PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: WHY WOULDN'T THIS COUNCIL HAVE THE
3:05:48PM AUTHORITY TO PUT A CAVEAT IN THE AUTHORIZATION TO SPEND
3:05:51PM $7.7 MILLION?
3:05:56PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: BECAUSE THE CHARTER SAYS A CONTRACT IS
3:05:58PM NEGOTIATED BY THE ADMINISTRATION.
3:06:00PM IT IS BROUGHT TO YOU AND YOUR OPPORTUNITY IS NOT TO
3:06:04PM RENEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT.
3:06:05PM YOU CAN CONTINUE IT FOR THEM TO FURTHER DISCUSS IT WITH YOU
3:06:10PM OR YOU CAN VOTE IT UP OR YOU CAN VOTE IT DOWN.
3:06:21PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I DO HAVE BY CHARTER THE ABILITY AND
3:06:23PM AUTHORIZATION TO PASS THESE BUDGETARY ITEMS.
3:06:25PM I ALSO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO NOT FUND BUDGETARY ITEMS.
3:06:29PM SO I COULD SAY I DO NOT WANT ANY MONEY OF THE 7.728 --
3:06:34PM $7.7 MILLION SPENT ON BRISTOL.
3:06:38PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I THINK THAT'S TOO SPECIFIC AS TO YOUR
3:06:41PM AUTHORITY, FRANKLY.
3:06:43PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: DO CITY LAWYERS ATTORNEYS BELIEVE THE SAME
3:06:46PM THING?
3:06:49PM >>VIK BHIDE: SO IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS RIGHT, THE MOTION
3:06:52PM FROM THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING WAS TO COME BACK WITH IDEAS
3:06:58PM AND CONCEPTS THAT PRECLUDE BRISTOL.
3:07:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: [INAUDIBLE]

3:07:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YOUR MICROPHONE, SIR.
3:07:07PM >>VIK BHIDE: SAY IT WAS A MATTER OF DISCUSSION, NOT A MATTER
3:07:09PM OF ACTION.
3:07:10PM WHAT IS IN FRONT HERE IS A CONTRACT WITH OPTIONS THAT ALSO
3:07:15PM ARE CONSISTENT WITH THAT MOTION, BUT THAT MOTION WASN'T AN
3:07:21PM ACTION.
3:07:22PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WAS AN ACTION.
3:07:24PM A VOTE OF FOUR IS AN ACTION OF CITY COUNCIL. A.
3:07:29PM >>VIK BHIDE: WAS IT VOTED ON?
3:07:31PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IT WAS UNANIMOUS, AS I RECALL.
3:07:33PM I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH WHAT COUNCIL DOES.
3:07:36PM I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT.
3:07:41PM MY CONCERN IS THAT BASED ON WHAT THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL --
3:07:48PM HAPPENED.
3:07:48PM WE CAN BRING UP THE LANGUAGE, IF THE CLERK WOULD BRING UP
3:07:50PM THE LANGUAGE.
3:07:51PM I KNOW SOMEBODY FROM THE PUBLIC, TWO PEOPLE PUT IT UP TODAY
3:07:54PM OR RAISED THE ISSUE.
3:07:55PM MY CONCERN FROM A PRACTICAL STANDPOINT, IF COUNCIL HAS TAKEN
3:08:01PM A POLICY POSITION AND NOW SOMETHING IS BEING BROUGHT TO YOU
3:08:08PM INCONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY, THAT IN SOME FORM OR FASHION
3:08:12PM NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED.
3:08:13PM IF IT MEANS RESCINDING THE MOTION OR AMENDING THE MOTION TO
3:08:16PM INCLUDE BRISTOL SO THE CONTRACT CAN GO FORWARD.
3:08:18PM BUT IF THAT CONTRACT IN IT MAKES REFERENCE TO BRISTOL, THAT

3:08:21PM SOUNDS TO ME INCONSISTENT WITH THE POLICY THAT THIS COUNCIL
3:08:24PM HAS PREVIOUSLY TAKEN BY OFFICIAL ACTION UNDER THE CHARTER BY
3:08:27PM MAKING THAT MOTION.
3:08:28PM I JUST WANT IT RESOLVED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
3:08:33PM EITHER WAY.
3:08:34PM I DON'T WANT TO SAY SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, WHEN YOU PASSED
3:08:36PM THIS, YOU OVERRULED YOUR OWN POLICY.
3:08:39PM IT HAS TO BE KNOWINGLY, WILLINGLY, AND VOLUNTARILY DONE IN
3:08:42PM MY OPINION.
3:08:44PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YEAH, I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY I CAN'T
3:08:47PM AS COUNCIL HAVE A STIPULATION OF -- I'M NOT NEGOTIATING THE
3:08:55PM CONTRACT, BUT I CAN SAY NOT GOING TO FUND --
3:08:58PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WHAT IS THE REMEDY UNDER THE CONTRACT IF
3:08:59PM YOU DON'T FUND IT?
3:09:00PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THAT IS.
3:09:03PM CERTAINLY, THERE IS A COMPANY RELYING ON A DESIGN-BUILD
3:09:06PM CONTRACT THAT YOU'RE APPROVING.
3:09:07PM ONCE YOU APPROVE IT, THERE ARE CERTAIN OBLIGATIONS THAT THE
3:09:10PM CITY HAS.
3:09:10PM I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REMEDY IS.
3:09:12PM YOU'RE ASKING A QUESTION BEYOND MY SCOPE BASED ON MY
3:09:14PM KNOWLEDGE OF THE PROJECT AND THIS CONTRACT.
3:09:21PM >> [INAUDIBLE]
3:09:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU CAN CONTINUE AND ASK FOR A DIFFERENT
3:09:23PM CONTRACT.

3:09:24PM THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT IT IN THERE KNOWING WE ALREADY
3:09:26PM PASSED THIS.
3:09:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
3:09:33PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WAS JUST RESPONDING TO THAT ISSUE.
3:09:35PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HERE IS THE CITY ATTORNEY.
3:09:40PM >>ANDREA ZELMAN: I APOLOGIZE.
3:09:42PM I'VE BEEN STUCK ON THE ELEVATOR.
3:09:44PM DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTION IS.
3:09:47PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: MR. SHELBY, DO YOU WANT TO SUMMARIZE IT?
3:09:50PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: [MICROPHONE NOT ON] THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS
3:09:57PM WHEN?
3:09:57PM THE ORIGINAL MOTION WAS MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON,
3:10:03PM SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA ON JUNE 20, 2024.
3:10:06PM MOBILITY STAFF TO PROVIDE A WRITTEN REPORT ON USING BRISTOL
3:10:13PM AVENUE AND TO BYPASS THE NEIGHBORHOOD AS THEY WORK TO -- AS
3:10:17PM THEY WORK TO RESOLVE THE FLOODING ISSUES USING COMMERCIAL
3:10:21PM CORRIDORS AND THAT COUNCIL WILL NOT VOTE OR FUND A PLAN THAT
3:10:26PM PLACES VAULTS ON BRISTOL AVENUE.
3:10:28PM THERE WAS A VERBAL REPORT.
3:10:33PM NOVEMBER 7, CONTINUED FROM SEPTEMBER 5 OF 2024.
3:10:37PM MR. BHIDE TRANSMITTED BACKGROUND ON IT.
3:10:40PM AND THE MEMORANDUM WAS RECEIVED AND FILED AND THE MOTION TO
3:10:44PM RECEIVE AND FILE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH MIRANDA AND VIERA
3:10:47PM BEING ABSENT AT VOTE.
3:10:50PM >>BILL CARLSON: MR. SHELBY, HE COMBINED TWO ITEMS THAT WEEK

3:10:53PM AND DIDN'T ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
3:10:55PM IT WAS COMBINING TWO ITEMS.
3:10:56PM THE OTHER ITEM WAS ANSWERED, BUT THAT ONE WAS NEVER
3:11:00PM RESPONDED TO.
3:11:11PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: MADAM CLERK, ARE YOU ABLE TO PRINT THAT
3:11:13PM OUT?
3:11:13PM JUST THE E-MAIL ITSELF.
3:11:18PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: GO AHEAD, COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:11:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: IF I MAY, GUYS, MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS
3:11:25PM WOULD BE, IN 30 SECONDS, WE MADE A PREFERENCE IN JUNE THAT
3:11:31PM HAD NO BINDING EFFECT.
3:11:33PM THIS WASN'T AN ORDINANCE.
3:11:33PM IT WAS A PREFERENCE AT THE TIME.
3:11:35PM THIS WOULD BE A RESOLUTION WITH MORE BINDING EFFECT.
3:11:38PM I DON'T WANT US TO GET INTO A RABBIT HOLE.
3:11:41PM I THINK WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THE LARGER PICTURE AND THEN
3:11:45PM CENTER IN WHEN -- I THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO A RABBIT HOLE
3:11:49PM RIGHT NOW.
3:11:50PM WE HAVE CERTAIN TIME.
3:11:52PM I THINK WE OUGHT TO GO FORWARD.
3:11:55PM >>VIK BHIDE: IF IT IS COUNCIL'S WISH THAT WE EXCLUDE BRISTOL
3:11:58PM FROM CONSIDERATION RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THE RESOLUTION DOES
3:12:04PM NOT SAY ANYTHING SPECIFIC TO THAT.
3:12:08PM NOR DOES THE CONTRACT, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
3:12:10PM SO WE CAN PROCEED WITH THE OTHER TWO OPTIONS.

3:12:14PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
3:12:15PM YOU WORK IT OUT AND I'LL GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
3:12:18PM YES, MR. SHELBY.
3:12:21PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: JUST ONE LAST THING.
3:12:24PM ONE WAY TO DO THIS, IF COUNCIL AS A BODY ACCEPTS THAT, ALL
3:12:29PM YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN MOVE TO AMEND THAT MOTION TO AMEND THAT
3:12:33PM SECTION, WHAT HAPPENED IN NOVEMBER.
3:12:37PM I SAY A MOTION OF COUNCIL WITH THE VOTE OF FOUR HAS THE
3:12:40PM EFFECT OF A RESOLUTION.
3:12:41PM HAVING A RESOLUTION DOES NOT CREATE -- IT'S FORMALIZED, IN
3:12:45PM WRITING, PUBLIC RECORD.
3:12:47PM COUNCIL ALL THE TIME TAKES ACTION BY MOTION ONLY.
3:12:52PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
3:12:53PM >>BILL CARLSON: I HAVE A LOT I WANT TO SAY BUT SAY A COUPLE
3:12:57PM OF THINGS IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE THINGS SAID AND MAYBE
3:12:59PM THE SECOND ROUND SAY A FEW GENERAL THINGS.
3:13:02PM I THINK THE SOLUTION TO THIS IS THAT WE ASK THEM TO GO BACK
3:13:06PM AND REMOVE ANY REFERENCE TO BRISTOL FROM THE CONTRACT
3:13:10PM BECAUSE THAT WAS THE INSTRUCTION WE HAD GIVEN.
3:13:15PM SHOULD HAVE GIVEN A REPORT TWO WEEKS AGO ON IT.
3:13:18PM PALMA CEIA PINES, I ALSO WENT, I DON'T REMEMBER WITHIN A
3:13:22PM COUPLE OF DAYS AFTER THE STORMS, AND THE NEIGHBORS --
3:13:26PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: YEAH, TAKE IT OUTSIDE.
3:13:27PM >>BILL CARLSON: THE NEIGHBORS, SOME OF WHOM WERE HERE AND
3:13:30PM HERE TODAY, GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO SHOW ME THEIR HOMES AND THE

3:13:33PM DEVASTATION AND RENOVATING.
3:13:35PM WE ALSO DROVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:13:38PM THIS IS NOT A QUESTION.
3:13:39PM I'M MAKING COMMENTS.
3:13:40PM AS I TOURED THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I SAW DITCHES THAT HAD NOT
3:13:43PM BEEN CLEANED OUT IN A LONG TIME.
3:13:45PM I SAW DEBRIS THAT WAS BLOCKING DITCHES.
3:13:48PM I SAW RESERVOIRS, RETENTION PONDS THAT LOOK LIKE THEY HAD
3:13:53PM NOT BEEN MAINTAINED.
3:13:54PM AND WE SAW A PUMP THAT I WAS TOLD BY THE NEIGHBORS WAS BEING
3:14:00PM REPAIRED AND THAT HAD GONE OUT IN SOME WAY.
3:14:04PM IT APPEARS TO ME -- APPEARED TO ME, APPEARS TO ME, I'VE BEEN
3:14:08PM BACK THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD MORE, IT APPEARS TO ME THERE
3:14:11PM SHOULD BE INSTANT MAINTENANCE.
3:14:13PM NOT A QUESTION, JUST MAKING A COMMENT.
3:14:16PM INSTANT MAINTENANCE.
3:14:17PM NEIGHBORS WERE ASKING ME TO MAKE SURE THAT THE MAINTENANCE
3:14:20PM OCCURRED.
3:14:21PM THERE NEEDS TO BE INSTANT MAINTENANCE THERE.
3:14:25PM ONE OF THE CULVERTS OR RETENTION PONDS IS UNDER A PARKING
3:14:29PM LOT THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED.
3:14:31PM SHOULD BE SOME WAY TO CLEAN THAT ONE OUT AS WELL.
3:14:33PM WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION GOING FORWARD TO LOOK AT SHORT-TERM
3:14:36PM SOLUTIONS.
3:14:36PM BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

3:14:38PM IT'S CLEAR THAT PALMA CEIA PINES IS NOT IN THIS PLAN.
3:14:42PM WHEN I ASKED MR. BHIDE TO SHOW IT TO ME ON THE MAP, IT WAS
3:14:47PM TO THE NORTH OF IT.
3:14:48PM BECAUSE IT IS IN THE LARGER STORMWATER AREA DOES NOT MEAN
3:14:50PM THAT SOLUTIONS WERE PROVIDED.
3:14:51PM AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A QUESTION.
3:14:53PM IF PALMA CEIA PINES WAS MEANT TO BE INCLUDED, THE PIPE OR
3:14:56PM CULVERTS WOULD HAVE GONE UP TO PALMA CEIA PINES, BUT THEY
3:15:00PM WERE NOT.
3:15:00PM THIS IS WHAT I CALL AFTERTHOUGHT JUSTIFICATION WHERE THESE
3:15:03PM EXCUSES ARE MADE AFTER THE FACT.
3:15:05PM WE NEED SOLUTIONS FOR PALMA CEIA PINES.
3:15:08PM IT'S FRANKLY OFFENSIVE AND INHUMANE TO SOME EXTENT THAT THE
3:15:15PM PEOPLE OF PALMA CEIA PINES HAD BEEN TOLD THEY HAD A SOLUTION
3:15:18PM AND THERE REALLY ISN'T ONE.
3:15:20PM ALSO, MR. BHIDE, YOU TALK ABOUT NINE YEARS AND OTHER PEOPLE
3:15:23PM TALK ABOUT TEN YEARS, AS YOU TESTIFIED TWO WEEKS AGO, I
3:15:25PM LEARNED ABOUT THIS IN AUGUST A YEAR AGO.
3:15:27PM I HAD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING WITH YOU AND MR. ADAMS AND
3:15:32PM OTHERS A COUPLE OF MONTHS LATER IN OCTOBER.
3:15:35PM SO I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS FOR A YEAR.
3:15:38PM THE COMMUNITY THOUGHT THAT THE CITY WAS GOING TO LISTEN TO
3:15:42PM THE CONCERNS AND COME BACK AND MODIFY THE PROPOSAL.
3:15:44PM FRANKLY, THIS PROPOSAL TODAY, I WAS BLINDSIDED, FOUND OUT
3:15:48PM ABOUT TWO WEEKS AGO.

3:15:49PM SO THE ADMINISTRATION HAS DECIDED TO PUSH THIS QUICKLY AND
3:15:52PM NOW THERE'S AN URGENCY TO GET THIS DONE.
3:15:55PM THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN OUT THERE FOR A LONG TIME, AS PEOPLE
3:15:57PM HAVE TESTIFIED.
3:15:58PM THIS CITY COUNCIL AS YOU TESTIFIED A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO
3:16:00PM NEVER SLOWED THIS DOWN.
3:16:01PM TODAY, IF WE VOTE TO SLOW IT DOWN, IT WILL BE THE FIRST TIME
3:16:05PM CITY COUNCIL EVER SLOWED IT DOWN.
3:16:07PM STAFF HAS SLOWED IT DOWN IN THE PAST.
3:16:09PM FORMER MAYORS HAVE SLOWED IT DOWN, BUT THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS
3:16:12PM NEVER SLOWED IT DOWN.
3:16:13PM THERE ARE MANY, MANY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
3:16:17PM ONE OF THE CONCERNS, YOU TALK ABOUT PUBLIC INPUT.
3:16:19PM WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS NOT PUBLIC INPUT.
3:16:21PM IT'S CALLED PUBLIC INFORMATION OR PUBLIC EDUCATION.
3:16:23PM YOU'RE TELLING THE PUBLIC WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO AND THEN
3:16:26PM YOU LISTEN TO WHAT THEY SAY BUT DON'T DO ANYTHING WITH IT.
3:16:28PM IF YOU ARE LISTENING EVEN TO US, BRISTOL WOULD NOT BE
3:16:32PM INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACT.
3:16:33PM PUBLIC INPUT IS WHERE YOU GET THE PUBLIC ENGAGED.
3:16:36PM THIS IS THE ISSUE I HAVE WITH THIS.
3:16:37PM THERE MAY BE 20 NEIGHBORHOODS FLOODED IN SOUTH TAMPA.
3:16:40PM I'VE BEEN TO ALL OF THEM.
3:16:41PM TOURED THEM, WORKED WITH THEM.
3:16:43PM WORKED WITH YOU, MR. BHIDE, THE DAY AFTER THE LAST MEETING,

3:16:45PM YOU AND I WERE IN ANOTHER NEIGHBORHOOD AND COLLABORATING AND
3:16:49PM WORKING TOGETHER.
3:16:50PM FOR SOME REASON, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS THE MOST INCREDIBLE
3:16:53PM DIVISIVENESS THAT I'VE EVER SEEN.
3:16:55PM PEOPLE ARE ANGRY.
3:16:57PM THEY ARE FIGHTING, THEY ARE ARGUING.
3:16:59PM IS IT SOMEBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PUSHING IT?
3:17:00PM IS IT THE ADMINISTRATION?
3:17:01PM I DON'T KNOW, BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THIS IS THE ONLY
3:17:05PM NEIGHBORHOOD TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT THE MAYOR'S POLITICAL
3:17:08PM ADVISOR AND MAYOR'S COMMUNICATION ADVISOR HAVE BEEN TO.
3:17:11PM WHY IS IT THAT THE MAYOR AND HER STAFF AND EVERYONE DIDN'T
3:17:15PM HANDLE THIS IN A COLLABORATIVE WAY?
3:17:16PM WHY IS IT THAT LEADERSHIP HASN'T BEEN SHOWN TO BRING
3:17:19PM EVERYBODY TOGETHER?
3:17:20PM TWO WEEKS AGO, I BEGGED FOR COLLABORATION.
3:17:22PM I BEGGED FOR EVERYBODY TO COME TOGETHER.
3:17:24PM THE NEIGHBORS AND ALL THESE COMMUNITIES ARE BEGGING US TO
3:17:27PM COME TOGETHER FOR A SOLUTION.
3:17:29PM RHETORICAL QUESTION.
3:17:31PM NOT ASKING FOR AN ANSWER.
3:17:32PM WE NEED LEADERSHIP AT THIS POINT TO BRING EVERYBODY
3:17:35PM TOGETHER.
3:17:35PM IF WE -- I WAS TELLING CHIEF OF STAFF AT THE BREAK, IF WE
3:17:38PM APPROVE THIS TODAY, THERE'S GOING TO BE A WAR IN SOUTH

3:17:40PM TAMPA.
3:17:41PM IT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE FAULT OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
3:17:42PM IT'S GOING TO BE THE FAULT OF THE ADMINISTRATION FOR
3:17:44PM CREATING AND THROWING FLAMES ON THE WAR.
3:17:46PM IF WE SAY WE WANT 90 OR 120 DAY DELAY, THE PEOPLE NOW IN
3:17:51PM PALMA CEIA PINES AND PART OF PARKLAND ESTATES ARE GOING TO
3:17:54PM BE FURIOUS AND ANGRY.
3:17:56PM AND EITHER WAY, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FIND A WAY TO BRING
3:17:59PM THE COMMUNITY BACK TOGETHER.
3:18:00PM THIS SHOULD NOT BE DIVISIVENESS LIKE THIS IN ANY
3:18:04PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:18:05PM THIS IS COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.
3:18:06PM THERE WERE LOTS AND LOTS OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WERE FLOODED
3:18:08PM AND DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS FOR EVERYONE.
3:18:10PM WE NEED TO WORK HARD TO FIND THOSE SOLUTIONS AND
3:18:13PM COLLABORATE.
3:18:13PM AGAIN, I'M NOT ASKING QUESTIONS.
3:18:15PM I'M NOT ASKING FOR FEEDBACK.
3:18:16PM WE JUST NEED TO WORK TOGETHER TO FIND SOLUTIONS.
3:18:18PM I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE SOME MORE TIME TO MAKE THIS, TO WORK
3:18:22PM CORRECTLY.
3:18:23PM I'VE WORKED ON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INFRASTRUCTURE
3:18:25PM PROJECTS BEFORE I GOT ON COUNCIL.
3:18:27PM NEVER SEEN ONE SO BADLY HANDLED BEFORE.
3:18:30PM THIS IS NOT THE LEGITIMATE PROCESS THAT ENGINEERS AND

3:18:33PM PLANNERS GO THROUGH.
3:18:34PM YOU ALL KNOW, KIMMINS KNOWS, BECAUSE KIMMINS HANDLES THESE
3:18:37PM PROJECTS.
3:18:38PM YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO SIGN UP FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF
3:18:41PM PROJECTS BEFORE YOU START DOING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.
3:18:44PM WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO DATE IS EMBARRASSING FROM A CITY POINT
3:18:47PM OF VIEW.
3:18:47PM WHAT WE NEED TO DO AND I WOULD ASK THE MAYOR AND HER STAFF,
3:18:50PM HIT THE RESET BUTTON.
3:18:52PM THROW THE POLITICS OUT THE DOOR AND LET'S FIGURE OUT HOW TO
3:18:54PM COLLABORATE AND FIND SOLUTIONS.
3:18:55PM >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:18:56PM WHO IS NEXT?
3:18:57PM COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
3:19:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:19:02PM I APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTS OF EVERYBODY.
3:19:04PM THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I THINK THAT ARE CLEAR FROM THE
3:19:07PM OUTSET, WHICH IS THERE'S NO EASY WAY OUT ON THIS.
3:19:09PM NO SHORTCUT HOME.
3:19:12PM TAKING A LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT FACTIONS, SIDES OR INTEREST
3:19:15PM HERE, THERE'S NO BAD GUY HERE.
3:19:16PM THERE'S NO ROCKY AND DRAGO ON ONE SIDE.
3:19:20PM THERE ARE BOTH PEOPLE WHO ALL MEAN WELL AND ALL LEGITIMATE
3:19:25PM POINTS.
3:19:25PM I WORKED AS A MEDIATOR AND THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF CASES,

3:19:30PM THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS IN LIFE THAT ARE BLACK AND WHITE
3:19:32PM AND THEN A LOT OF CASES AND THINGS THAT ARE GRAY, WHERE
3:19:35PM THERE IS A LOT OF GRAY.
3:19:36PM THIS IS CLEARLY A CASE WHERE THERE IS A LOT OF GRAY.
3:19:39PM AS I'LL TALK ABOUT, KIND OF SITUATION WHERE WHEN YOU RUN FOR
3:19:43PM OFFICE, IT IS THE KIND OF DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE WHERE
3:19:47PM YOU'LL TICK SOMEBODY OFF, MAKE SOMEBODY ANGRY AND MAYBE EVEN
3:19:50PM INFLICT HURT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IN THE DECISION YOU MAKE
3:19:53PM AND YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, BUT
3:19:56PM ALWAYS SAY, IF YOU TICK SOMEBODY OFF, MIGHT AS WELL TICK
3:19:59PM SOMEBODY OFF FOR DOING WHAT YOU THINK IS THE RIGHT THING.
3:20:01PM I TELL PEOPLE IN PUBLIC OFFICE TO GO WITH YOUR HEART ON
3:20:04PM STUFF BECAUSE YOU'LL TICK SOMEBODY OFF NO MATTER WHAT.
3:20:07PM BEFORE MILTON, I HAD SPOKEN TO VARIOUS INTERESTS ON THIS, ON
3:20:14PM BOTH SIDES OF IT.
3:20:15PM I HAD MY VIEWS ON IT WHICH I EXPRESSED.
3:20:18PM MILTON FOR ME CHANGED MY PERSPECTIVE ON A LOT OF THINGS.
3:20:23PM YOU ALL HAVE SEEN ME IN TERMS OF THE WAY I ALMOST JUST WITH
3:20:27PM GREAT VIGOR IN THE AREAS OF MY DISTRICT THAT WERE FLOODED.
3:20:31PM YOU SAW THIS MORNING THAT INVESTIGATIVE INQUIRY THAT I WANT
3:20:35PM TO DO AND THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSION IS MOVING ON.
3:20:37PM WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON.
3:20:39PM MOVING HARD ON THINGS LIKE WE ALL HAVE BEEN HERE IN TAMPA
3:20:42PM CITY COUNCIL.
3:20:43PM MILTON FOR ME HAS CHANGED EVERYTHING.

3:20:45PM MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS IS THE OPTION OF WHETHER THROUGH THE
3:20:51PM OPERATION OF DELAY OR THROUGH ANY OTHER METHOD OF TELLING
3:20:55PM THE NEIGHBORHOOD HERE THAT FLOODED, RIGHT, THAT WE'RE GOING
3:20:58PM TO CONTINUE TO TOLERATE THIS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO ME IS OFF
3:21:05PM THE TABLE.
3:21:06PM UNACCEPTABLE.
3:21:07PM THIS PROJECT, WHETHER DELAYED, WHETHER IT HAPPENS A YEAR
3:21:10PM FROM NOW, IN TERMS OF BEGINNING OF THE DESIGN, WHETHER IT
3:21:14PM DOESN'T HAVE THE VOTES, WHATEVER, IT IS EVENTUALLY GOING TO
3:21:16PM HAPPEN.
3:21:17PM AND THERE'S GOING TO BE HEARTACHE IN THAT TRANSITION.
3:21:19PM THERE'S GOING TO BE CHALLENGE IN THAT TRANSITION.
3:21:21PM THAT'S NEVER NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WHEN IT COMES TO THIS
3:21:25PM PROJECT.
3:21:26PM IT IS A FACT, AGAIN, DESIGN, A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT IN THAT,
3:21:30PM ET CETERA, THERE WILL BE SOME HEARTACHE AND PAIN SUFFERED
3:21:35PM THROUGHOUT HOWARD.
3:21:35PM THERE WILL BE SOME CHALLENGES.
3:21:37PM THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO TALK ABOUT
3:21:40PM THAT IF WE DO GO FORWARD ULTIMATELY, TAKING A LOOK AT THE
3:21:43PM CONTRACT, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH A CONTRACTOR AND SAYING TO THE
3:21:45PM EXTENT WE CAN DO THIS, OKAY, IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE -- MAKING
3:21:48PM SOMETHING UP -- 60 DAYS.
3:21:50PM IF YOU GO OVER 75 DAYS, CAN WE DO PENALTIES?
3:21:53PM CAN WE DO DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT?

3:21:54PM WE OUGHT TO LOOK AT THAT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE SOMETIMES --
3:21:58PM >>VIK BHIDE: THAT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT.
3:22:00PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
3:22:01PM THANK YOU FOR THAT, YES, SIR.
3:22:02PM I'M GLAD TO HEAR THAT.
3:22:03PM AGAIN, I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT SETS UP BENCHMARKS
3:22:11PM OR ADDITIONAL EXTENSIONS, RIGHT, THAT MOVES THINGS FURTHER
3:22:16PM AWAY FOR RELIEF FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:22:19PM THAT FOR ME IS THE NARRATIVE THAT I GO ON ON THIS ISSUE.
3:22:23PM AGAIN, LEAVING THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO CONTINUE TO BE FLOODED
3:22:26PM TO ME IS JUST AN ABDICATION OF WHAT CITY GOVERNMENT IS
3:22:31PM SUPPOSED TO DO.
3:22:32PM WE DEAL WITH POLICE, FIRE, ROADS, FLOODING, OKAY, THAT'S THE
3:22:36PM BASICS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
3:22:38PM IT'S LIKE IF YOU DO A WAFFLE HOUSE AND DON'T DO WAFFLES.
3:22:41PM MEL'S HOT DOGS AND YOU DON'T GOT A SINGLE HOT DOG.
3:22:45PM IF WE LEAVE THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO CONTINUE TO BE FLOODED,
3:22:47PM EITHER THROUGH OPERATION OF DELAY OR ANYTHING ELSE OR KICK
3:22:50PM THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD, RIGHT, I THINK WE'RE DOING THAT.
3:22:55PM I THINK ULTIMATELY AN ABDICATION.
3:22:57PM THIS, WE HAVE TO NOT SET GOALPOSTS ON THIS THAT I THINK ARE
3:23:02PM INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.
3:23:04PM WE'RE DEALING WITH DESIGN AT THIS POINT.
3:23:06PM THAT'S VERY, VERY LIMITED.
3:23:07PM THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT ENGAGEMENT AND MOVEMENT,

3:23:10PM ET CETERA, THAT CAN HAPPEN DURING THAT TIME.
3:23:13PM THIS IS THE DATING STAGE.
3:23:17PM STILL GOT TO MOVE IN TOGETHER.
3:23:19PM STILL GOT TO GET ENGAGED, STILL GOT TO GET MARRIED.
3:23:22PM OR HOWEVER YOU DO IT.
3:23:24PM THIS IS THAT POINT MOVING FORWARD FOR THIS.
3:23:27PM WE NEED TO HAVE CONTINUED ENGAGEMENT, CONTINUED COMMUNITY
3:23:30PM OUTREACH.
3:23:31PM NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS ON THIS, BUT, AGAIN, I GAVE MY WORD
3:23:35PM TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN I MET WITH THEM, THAT I WOULD MOVE
3:23:40PM FORWARD ON SOMETHING WITHOUT FURTHER DELAY.
3:23:44PM WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THIS
3:23:47PM NEIGHBORHOOD TO PROVIDE RELIEF.
3:23:48PM WE CAN BE INNOVATIVE.
3:23:50PM TALK ABOUT WITH CONTRACTS.
3:23:53PM PROVIDING ASSISTANCE, ET CETERA.
3:23:57PM WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE TIME FOR THAT.
3:23:58PM AGAIN, THE BUCK STOPS WITH US.
3:24:00PM WHETHER WE DO NOTHING AND FLOODING CONTINUES TO HAPPEN OR
3:24:04PM THE AFTERMATH OF THE FINANCIAL AND EMOTIONAL DEVASTATES
3:24:06PM ASSOCIATED WITH THE FLOODING FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, THE BUCK
3:24:09PM IS GOING TO STOP WITH US THERE.
3:24:10PM IF WE DO SOMETHING AND IT CAUSES SOME CHALLENGES ON HOWARD,
3:24:14PM THE BUCK WILL ALSO STOP WITH US.
3:24:16PM EITHER WAY, WE'RE GOING TO GET HEAT.

3:24:18PM WE SHOULD ALL -- AND I THINK WE ALL ARE GOING TO DO THAT
3:24:21PM REGARDLESS OF HOW WE VOTE, TAKE THE HEAT FOR DOING WHAT WE
3:24:23PM THINK IS RIGHT.
3:24:25PM THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO AND WHAT WE'LL ALL DO ONE WAY OR
3:24:28PM ANOTHER.
3:24:28PM THANK YOU.
3:24:28PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK AND MIRANDA.
3:24:33PM >>LYNN HURTAK: THANK YOU.
3:24:34PM I WANT TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR ALL THE E-MAILS AND ALL THE
3:24:36PM COMMENTS TODAY.
3:24:37PM I THANK PEOPLE FOR PUTTING THE TIME IN.
3:24:39PM I THANK PEOPLE FOR WRITING.
3:24:41PM I READ EVERY E-MAIL.
3:24:42PM I UNDERSTAND.
3:24:46PM I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THE GRAVITY OF THIS.
3:24:49PM WE ARE HERE TODAY BECAUSE FOR DECADES COUNCILS AND
3:24:54PM ADMINISTRATIONS BEFORE US HAVE KICKED THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
3:24:57PM HURRICANE MILTON CLEARLY SHOWED US THAT THE CAN KICKING HAS
3:25:02PM TO STOP.
3:25:03PM THERE WILL NEVER BE A GOOD TIME FOR THIS PROJECT.
3:25:06PM THE BEST AND, QUITE FRANKLY, CHEAPEST TIME FOR THE PROJECT
3:25:11PM WAS DECADES AGO.
3:25:12PM DECADES AGO.
3:25:13PM DECADES AGO WHEN THIS WAS SHOWN TO BE A PROBLEM.
3:25:19PM I CANNOT SIT HERE AND SAY THAT IT'S OKAY TO SPEND 20 PLUS

3:25:25PM MILLION DOLLARS EXTRA TO TAKE THIS OFF OF HOWARD AVENUE.
3:25:29PM WHERE THE CURRENT OUTFALLS ALREADY EXIST.
3:25:32PM WE'RE DOING A LOT OF MONEY SAVING DOING THAT.
3:25:36PM AND THIS IS MAINLY BECAUSE THE MONEY IS NEEDED IN OTHER
3:25:39PM AREAS OF THE CITY THAT RECEIVED SIMILAR FLOODING.
3:25:42PM OF COURSE, EVERYONE LOOKS AT COUNCILMAN VIERA, BUT, QUITE
3:25:44PM FRANKLY, FOLKS IN FOREST HILLS AND THE UNIVERSITY AREA SAW
3:25:49PM FLOODING THAT WE NEVER EXPECTED.
3:25:52PM THE PARKLAND ESTATES AND PALMA CEIA PINES ARE ACTUALLY VERY
3:25:56PM BLESSED AND LUCKY THAT THIS PROJECT IS ALREADY READY TO GO.
3:25:59PM FOREST HILLS AND UNIVERSITY AREA WILL BE WAITING SO MUCH
3:26:03PM LONGER SIMPLY FOR A PROJECT TO BEGIN BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T EVEN
3:26:07PM CONSIDERED A PROJECT THERE.
3:26:08PM THIS PROJECT WAS DEVELOPED BECAUSE OF THE HISTORY OF
3:26:11PM FLOODING IN THIS AREA.
3:26:14PM SO FOR ME, THAT IS A BIG PART OF THIS AS WELL IS MANAGING
3:26:17PM OUR MONEY WELL BECAUSE WE NEED TO TAKE ANY EXTRA MONEY AND
3:26:23PM GO TO THE REST OF THE CITY.
3:26:24PM THIS IS A PART OF OUR CITY AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, BUT
3:26:28PM THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY WHO FLOODED AS WELL AND WE
3:26:31PM NEED TO USE OUR RESOURCES WISELY SO THAT WE CAN REACH AS
3:26:34PM MANY PARTS OF THE CITY AS POSSIBLE.
3:26:37PM THERE IS A COST TO DOING NOTHING.
3:26:39PM THE FOLKS WHO FLOODED, THE BUSINESSES AS WELL AS THE HOUSES
3:26:43PM DURING MILTON ARE PAYING THAT PRICE RIGHT NOW.

3:26:46PM I'VE HEARD -- I'VE READ THE E-MAILS.
3:26:49PM I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE ABOUT PEOPLE WHO HAD TO PUT THEIR LIFE
3:26:52PM SAVINGS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE FLOOD INSURANCE.
3:26:54PM WE'RE HEARING THOSE STORIES.
3:26:56PM WHO KNOWS WHICH PLACES WILL FLOOD IN THE NEXT STORM OR THE
3:26:59PM NEXT AS SEA LEVEL RISE HAPPENS, AS MORE BUILDING OCCURS, IT
3:27:04PM MAY NOT BE LIMITED TO WHERE IT IS NOW.
3:27:06PM IT WILL EXPAND BECAUSE IT EXPANDED THIS TIME.
3:27:09PM I DID VOTE TO NOT APPROVE A PLAN THAT WILL GO DOWN BRISTOL
3:27:17PM AVENUE.
3:27:17PM I DID THAT.
3:27:19PM I OWN THE VOTE.
3:27:20PM BUT I VOTED BEFORE, SEEING WHAT MILTON DID TO BUSINESSES AND
3:27:24PM HOMES IN THE AREA.
3:27:25PM I WALKED INTO THE PEOPLE'S HOUSES.
3:27:27PM I SAW THEIR LIVES ON THE CURBS.
3:27:30PM MILTON CHANGED ME.
3:27:33PM SO FOR ME, I AM ASKING THE ENGINEERS TO DETERMINE THE BEST
3:27:39PM ROUTE TO MOVE THE GREATEST AMOUNT OF STORMWATER IN THE
3:27:42PM SHORTEST AMOUNT OF TIME.
3:27:44PM I DO NOT WANT THE ENGINEERS TO CONSIDER TRAFFIC, UTILITIES,
3:27:48PM BUSINESSES, HOUSES, TREES, OR ANYTHING ELSE.
3:27:51PM I WANT THEM TO SIMPLY TELL ME WHAT IS THE BEST -- AND
3:27:58PM TOPOGRAPHICAL WAY FOR WATER TO MOVE TO THE BAY WHILE
3:28:02PM CONNECTING TO OUR CURRENT STORM INFRASTRUCTURE.

3:28:05PM THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING.
3:28:06PM I DON'T DISAGREE WITH SOME OF MY COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT THIS
3:28:14PM IS THE DISTILLED ISSUE RIGHT NOW.
3:28:18PM HOW DO WE MOVE THE STORMWATER BEST, FASTEST TO GET IT TO THE
3:28:25PM BAY.
3:28:25PM THIS PROJECT WILL COME BACK TO US AFTER THE DESIGN PHASE FOR
3:28:29PM APPROVAL FOR CONSTRUCTION PHASE CONTRACT.
3:28:30PM IF THE ENGINEERS CANNOT COME UP HERE AND TELL ME THAT THEY
3:28:35PM LOOKED AT ONLY THE BEST AND FASTEST WAY TO MOVE WATER,
3:28:39PM REGARDLESS OF OTHER VARIABLES, I WILL NOT VOTE FOR MOVING
3:28:42PM THAT CONTRACT FORWARD.
3:28:43PM ALONG WITH DESIGN, I WANT KIMMINS TO COME BACK WITH A FULLY
3:28:50PM DEVELOPED SHOP HOWARD PLAN CREATED WITH INPUT FROM HOWARD
3:28:54PM AVENUE BUSINESSES, ABUTTING NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS, CITY
3:28:58PM DEPARTMENTS, THE SOHO BUSINESS ALLIANCE, AND ANYONE ELSE
3:29:01PM NECESSARY TO HELP BUSINESSES WEATHER THIS PROJECT AS
3:29:05PM SMOOTHLY AS POSSIBLE.
3:29:06PM I WANT A FULLY FORMED PLAN BEFORE WE SIGN THE CONTRACT.
3:29:09PM DOES NOT MEAN THE PLAN CANNOT BE AMENDED AS WE GO, BUT A
3:29:13PM FULLY FORMED PLAN EXECUTED, EXPLAINED BY KIMMINS AND THEIR
3:29:17PM ASSOCIATES.
3:29:18PM THIS PROJECT HAS PITTED NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR.
3:29:22PM AS WITH ALL INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, SOME WILL BE ASKED TO
3:29:25PM SACRIFICE MORE THAN OTHERS.
3:29:27PM SOME WILL BE SLOWED BY TRAFFIC AND ROAD CLOSURES.

3:29:29PM SOME WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACCESS THEIR DRIVEWAYS.
3:29:32PM BUSINESSES WILL SUFFER, BUT THIS IS A LONG-TERM SOLUTION TO
3:29:36PM THE INCREASED THREAT OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND FLOODING.
3:29:38PM HOW CAN I VOTE AGAINST A PROJECT THAT WILL PREVENT HOMES AND
3:29:42PM BUSINESSES FROM FLOODING AND CATASTROPHIC LOSSES?
3:29:46PM I AM HAPPY TO WALK THE ROAD WITH EVERY SINGLE PERSON.
3:29:51PM I'VE EXPERIENCE FROM ALL SIDES OF SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS
3:29:54PM STORMWATER PROJECT WHICH IS NOT FINISHED.
3:29:57PM WHAT I CANNOT DO IS KICK THIS ANY FURTHER.
3:30:01PM THAT'S --
3:30:07PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:30:08PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
3:30:11PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:30:12PM I HAVE SOME AGREEMENT WITH MOST OF WHAT WAS SAID AND SOME I
3:30:18PM DON'T PARTICULARLY CARE.
3:30:19PM HOWEVER, WHEN YOU LOOK AT MILTON, MILTON WAS A LESSON
3:30:23PM CHANGER.
3:30:24PM IT HAS TAUGHT US THAT THE FUTURE IS COMING WITH THESE KIND
3:30:27PM OF STORMS.
3:30:28PM BUT MILTON HAD HELP.
3:30:30PM HELP FROM HELENE AND FIVE INCHES IN BETWEEN.
3:30:33PM HAD A BUNCH OF RAIN EVEN BEFORE MILTON GOT HERE.
3:30:36PM NOW, TODAY WE'RE IN THIS ROOM, MAYBE 70, 80, HUNDRED OF US
3:30:40PM IN THE ROOM.
3:30:40PM WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF MILTON CAME 20 MILES NORTH?

3:30:44PM I GOT NEWS FOR US, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
3:30:47PM THAT LESSON HASN'T BEEN LEARNED MUCH.
3:30:52PM WE WOULD NOT BE HERE, PERIOD.
3:30:54PM BECAUSE THE STORM SURGE WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT.
3:30:58PM INSTEAD OF TAKING WATER OUT, IT WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE WATER
3:31:01PM IN.
3:31:01PM THE PROBLEM WITH ALL THAT, THESE OUTFALLS, WHERE DO THEY GO
3:31:05PM TO?
3:31:06PM THE BAY.
3:31:06PM AM I CORRECT?
3:31:07PM >> YES.
3:31:07PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: CAN'T PUT THEM ANY OTHER WAY.
3:31:10PM WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE A HIGH TIDE IN THE BAY AND TRY TO
3:31:13PM TAKE THE WATER DOWN SOUTH?
3:31:14PM I'M NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT THE VOLUME OF WATER COMING IN IS A
3:31:20PM THOUSAND, 200 MILLION TIMES GREATER THAN THE WATER GOING
3:31:22PM OUT.
3:31:22PM WHEN IT COLLIDES, COMES RIGHT BACK WHERE IT CAME FROM.
3:31:28PM WE'RE ADDRESSING SOMETHING THAT WILL WORK FOR A PERIOD OF
3:31:31PM TIME IN HISTORY.
3:31:33PM JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS ONE WORKED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME IN
3:31:39PM HISTORY.
3:31:40PM IF WE DON'T CHANGE HOW WE DO THINGS, MILTON WILL NOT BE A
3:31:43PM LESSON LEARNER.
3:31:45PM DISASTER FOR OUR CITIES.

3:31:47PM WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THAT PROBLEM.
3:31:48PM I'M NOT TRYING TO ADDRESS IT TODAY.
3:31:50PM I HAVE NO PROBLEMS -- ENOUGH PROBLEMS LISTENING -- EVERYBODY
3:31:57PM HERE HAS FOR EACH OTHER.
3:31:58PM HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS PROBLEM WITHOUT ANYONE GETTING HURT
3:32:03PM FINANCIALLY OR OTHERWISE?
3:32:04PM SIMPLY YOU CAN'T.
3:32:06PM YOU CAN'T SATISFY BOTH SIDES.
3:32:12PM IMPOSSIBLE WITH WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH BECAUSE IT DOES
3:32:16PM NOT WORK WITHOUT COHESIVE UNIT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:32:20PM I'M NOT BLAMING THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:32:21PM I'M BLAMING THE SITUATION THAT WE'RE IN.
3:32:23PM UNTIL THAT PROBLEM IS RESOLVED, ALL THE ENGINEERS, 50
3:32:29PM DRAWINGS, A HUNDRED PEOPLE COMING IN ON BOTH SIDES, AND
3:32:32PM YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE, WHAT?
3:32:34PM THE SAME PROBLEM.
3:32:35PM I'M READY TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.
3:32:42PM YOU KNOW WHAT, I READ THIS HERE AND I'M NOT PRO, ANTI-MAYOR.
3:32:48PM I SEE MR. CLENDENIN AND MY NAME HERE.
3:32:53PM I SEE HENDERSON AND HURTAK'S NAME HERE.
3:32:56PM BUT THE MAYOR HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH US.
3:32:59PM IT WAS US.
3:32:59PM THE SEVEN OF US.
3:33:02PM WHEN I HAVE A PROBLEM, I GO SEE HER AND I TELL HER WHAT I
3:33:06PM LIKE AND DON'T LIKE, DIRECTLY, FACE TO FACE.

3:33:08PM UNO A UNO WITH NO REGRETS WHO SHE IS.
3:33:13PM THAT'S HOW I HANDLE MY BUSINESS.
3:33:16PM THIS HAS GOT TO COME TO SOME RESOLUTION BETWEEN THE SAME TWO
3:33:21PM PARTIES THAT ARE HERE OR NOT.
3:33:23PM THIS IS GOING TO BE A HOUDINI OF SOMETHING HOW WE DO THIS.
3:33:29PM I'M NOT AFRAID TO VOTE ONE WAY.
3:33:31PM I'M NOT AFRAID TO HURT MY REPUTATION.
3:33:33PM I'M NOT AFRAID TO SAY THAT I'M RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG.
3:33:36PM I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT.
3:33:37PM I JUST WANT THE PROBLEM SOLVED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ISSUES.
3:33:42PM BERN'S IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE RESTAURANTS RIGHT THERE IN THE
3:33:46PM FIRST ROW.
3:33:47PM WHEN MY FRIENDS HAVE PARTIES, I GO.
3:33:54PM INEXPENSIVE, SOUP, DESSERT, DESSERT UPSTAIRS, SOUP, SALAD,
3:33:58PM FILLET AND BAKED POTATO SAME PLACE.
3:34:03PM SOMEPLACE ELSE, AT LEAST ANOTHER 15, 20 DOLLARS MORE.
3:34:07PM IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR US TO CONTINUE THIS ANY FURTHER.
3:34:11PM IF THEY WANT TO HIRE AN ENGINEER, THEY ARE CERTAINLY
3:34:14PM ENTITLED TO HIRE ENGINEER.
3:34:16PM IF THEY WANT TO HAVE A CONFRONTATION -- NOT A CONFRONTATION,
3:34:19PM BUT A MEETING OF THE MINDS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO
3:34:21PM COME OUT.
3:34:22PM BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING SO THEY CAN HIRE THE ENGINEER SO
3:34:25PM WE CAN GET THIS THING GOING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
3:34:28PM WE'LL BE HERE THREE YEARS.

3:34:30PM STILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING.
3:34:32PM AIN'T GOING TO SOLVE IT.
3:34:33PM HAVE TO COME TO AN END NO MATTER IF THEY LIKE EACH OTHER,
3:34:36PM DON'T LIKE EACH OTHER.
3:34:38PM THE GENTLEMAN, IF THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, DO THAT.
3:34:40PM WE HAVE TO COME AND DO SOMETHING.
3:34:42PM TIME IS MONEY ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS ISSUE.
3:34:45PM THAT'S ALL.
3:34:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
3:34:48PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: THANK YOU, CHAIR.
3:34:49PM FIRST OF ALL, FOR THE RECORD, CHARLIE, I'VE NEVER BEEN TO
3:34:53PM BERN'S.
3:34:56PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I'LL TAKE YOU ONE DAY.
3:34:57PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: I'VE HEARD ABOUT IT AND THE DESSERT ROOM.
3:34:59PM I DID TAKE THE KIDS ON A FIELD TRIP TO EPICUREAN FOR
3:35:04PM HOSPITALITY.
3:35:05PM I DON'T HAVE THE EMOTIONAL CONNECTION OUTSIDE OF IT BEING A
3:35:09PM COMMUNITY ISSUE THAT A NEIGHBORHOOD LOST A LOT AND THAT
3:35:13PM THERE IS A LOT OF SACRIFICE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE
3:35:17PM PLACE.
3:35:18PM FOR ME, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THE REQUEST FOR ITEM 58, AFTER ALL
3:35:26PM OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN PUT IN ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, THANK
3:35:29PM YOU VERY MUCH.
3:35:29PM I'VE LEARNED A LOT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR APPROACH TO THIS.
3:35:33PM FOR THE COMMUNITY, I HAVEN'T FINISHED READING.

3:35:37PM I'VE BEEN READING E-MAILS AND LISTENING FOR A WHILE.
3:35:41PM I'M STILL GETTING THROUGH E-MAILS.
3:35:43PM I APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AS WELL.
3:35:49PM FOR ME, IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THIS.
3:35:51PM WE SHOULD APPROVE THE AGREEMENT FOR THE DESIGN-BUILD INITIAL
3:35:54PM SERVICES FOR $7.7 MILLION BECAUSE IT GETS US STARTED.
3:36:00PM SO EVERYONE IS THINKING, WHAT STREET IS IT GOING TO COME ON,
3:36:04PM YOU KNOW, I MEAN, EVERYONE IS LIKE WORRIED ABOUT THE STREET
3:36:07PM CHOICE.
3:36:07PM AND THAT IS FAIR.
3:36:15PM FOR ME, IT IS THE PROFESSIONAL APPROACH OF THE EXPERTS.
3:36:22PM WE WERE THEY DECIDE AND I THINK I SAID THIS AT THE LAST
3:36:25PM MEETING, WHATEVER THEY DECIDE I'M GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO
3:36:28PM THAT AND I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST TO SUPPORT THAT AND ALSO
3:36:34PM LOOK FOR THE UNDERLYING, UNDERBELLY OF HOW DO WE RESOLVE
3:36:38PM SOME OF THE THINGS HURTAK SAID THAT I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT
3:36:41PM BECAUSE I APPRECIATE THOSE COMMENTS AS WELL.
3:36:43PM BUT WE HAVE TO GET STARTED.
3:36:46PM AND GETTING STARTED IS JUST APPROVING THE AGREEMENT AND
3:36:52PM GOING THERE IS FIRST AND LETTING THE INFORMATION COME BACK
3:36:58PM WITH THE COMMUNITY INPUT, BUT ALSO THE EXPERT OPINIONS ABOUT
3:37:01PM THE BEST, MOST EFFICIENT WAY TO GET THIS DONE IN THE
3:37:07PM SHORTEST AMOUNT OF TIME.
3:37:08PM THAT I DO BELIEVE IS FAIR.
3:37:11PM I KNOW THAT SOMEONE IS GOING TO GET HURT.

3:37:15PM SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE UPSET BECAUSE OF THE INCONVENIENCE OF
3:37:22PM WHAT IT'S GOING TO PUT PEOPLE THROUGH.
3:37:24PM AND I UNDERSTAND THAT.
3:37:25PM BUT IF WE DON'T GET STARTED AND SOMEONE DECIDES TO SUE US OR
3:37:30PM GET YOUR EXPERTS TO COUNTER WHAT OUR EXPERTS ARE SAYING,
3:37:35PM IT'S JUST GOING TO DELAY THE PROBLEM.
3:37:37PM I'M GOING TO SUPPORT APPROVING THE AGREEMENT FOR THE
3:37:42PM DESIGN-BUILD FOR $.729 MILLION.
3:37:45PM THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SO THAT PROGRESS CAN BE MADE
3:37:51PM IN THIS AREA.
3:37:52PM I HAVE LOOKED AT A LOT OF PICTURES.
3:37:57PM ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I APPRECIATE ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR
3:38:00PM SOUTH TAMPA COMMUNITY IS YOU ALL KNOW HOW TO FIGHT.
3:38:03PM YOU HAVE A LOT OF PASSION.
3:38:04PM YOU HAVE A LOT OF ORGANIZATION.
3:38:07PM AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT.
3:38:09PM I REALLY, REALLY DO.
3:38:10PM WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO JUST MOVE
3:38:15PM FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN AND TAKE AWAY THE ACTUAL THOUGHT
3:38:19PM ABOUT WHAT STREET IS IT GOING TO BE ON RIGHT NOW.
3:38:22PM WE NEED TO GET STARTED.
3:38:24PM AND LET THE EXPERTS AT LEAST PRESENT IT IN THAT CAPACITY
3:38:30PM FIRST BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE PHASE WHERE WE ACTUALLY HAVE
3:38:33PM TO KEEP APPROVING THINGS.
3:38:37PM BUT THIS IS JUST GETTING STARTED.

3:38:40PM WE'RE RESPONSIBLE AS A COUNCIL FOR WHAT COMES AFTER THIS.
3:38:44PM AFTER THE DESIGN-BUILD IS BEING PRESENTED TO US.
3:38:46PM THAT'S HOW IT WORKS, RIGHT, VIK.
3:38:52PM THEY COME BACK TO US AND ASK MORE QUESTIONS AND THEN FILL UP
3:38:55PM UPSTAIRS, DOWN STAIRS AND LISTEN TO YOU FOR FIVE HOURS.
3:38:58PM THIS PROCESS STILL HAS A WAYS TO GO BUT WE HAVE TO GET
3:39:01PM STARTED AND THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO START IS APPROVING THE
3:39:03PM CONTRACT FOR KIMMINS.
3:39:04PM THANK YOU.
3:39:05PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:39:06PM THAT CONCLUDES ROUND ONE.
3:39:08PM I FORGOT TO MENTION AND CAN'T BELIEVE IT SLIPPED MY MIND, MY
3:39:18PM GRANDMOTHER'S FIRST BUSINESS WAS IN PALMA CEIA PINES IN LIKE
3:39:21PM 1967 ON MacDILL AND SWANN, WHICH IS NOW THE PARKING LOT
3:39:25PM TO -- THE BUILDING WAS DEMOLISHED FOR THE PARKING LOT.
3:39:30PM MY FAMILY BACKGROUND IS BUSINESS, SMALL SCALE.
3:39:34PM NOT BERN'S NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, NOT 50 EMPLOYEES.
3:39:38PM JUST FAMILY MEMBERS.
3:39:44PM OVER THE YEARS THEY HAD TO DEAL WITH ALL SORTS OF STUFF.
3:39:48PM MY GRANDFATHER DEAD FOR YEARS.
3:39:49PM OVER THE YEARS, HEALTH ISSUES, COVID, FINANCIAL CRISIS, AND
3:39:53PM THEY WERE ABLE TO MANAGE THOSE THINGS, GOOD OR BAD.
3:39:56PM HAVING TO LAY EVERYBODY OFF BECAUSE THE MONEY JUST WASN'T
3:39:59PM COMING IN.
3:40:00PM BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO MANAGE THAT.

3:40:01PM IN THIS CASE, WITH THE HOWARD AVENUE BUSINESSES, BECAUSE
3:40:06PM EVERYTHING -- YOU HEARD A LOT OF TESTIMONY TODAY AND GOTTEN
3:40:08PM A LOT OF E-MAILS, IT'S LARGER SCALE.
3:40:11PM I WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO MANAGE THAT.
3:40:12PM IT'S EASY TO MANAGE YOUR MOM AND YOUR DAD AND A SIBLING IN A
3:40:16PM SMALL BUSINESS, BUT THEY HAVE THE LIVES OF TWO, THREE
3:40:22PM HUNDRED PEOPLE AT AN INSTITUTION.
3:40:26PM COVID WAS HORRIBLE.
3:40:27PM MY DAD TOLD ME, IF YOU CAN SURVIVE COVID, YOU CAN SURVIVE
3:40:31PM EVERYTHING.
3:40:32PM THE WORLD STOPPED.
3:40:33PM THEY HAD TO MANAGE THROUGH THAT.
3:40:34PM THEY HAD TO MANAGE THROUGH A LOT OF THINGS.
3:40:36PM THIS IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S BLOCKING ACCESS TO THEIR
3:40:39PM BUSINESS, EVEN IF IT'S DONE ON A BLOCK-BY-BLOCK BASIS, IT'S
3:40:45PM SO IMPACTFUL THAT MANY BUSINESSES MAY NOT RECOVER.
3:40:48PM WE DON'T KNOW THE FINANCIAL IMPACT BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SEE
3:40:51PM HOW MUCH REVENUE THEY GENERATE A DAY, HOW MANY PEOPLE THEY
3:40:55PM EMPLOY.
3:40:56PM IF THEY ARE WORKING ON TIPS.
3:40:58PM IF BUSINESS IS SLOW, IN COLLEGE, ALL MY FRIENDS WORKED IN
3:41:01PM RESTAURANTS.
3:41:01PM THE BEST NIGHTS WERE I MADE A HUNDRED BUCKS, AND NIGHTS SO
3:41:05PM SLOW, MADE TEN BUCKS.
3:41:07PM MAYBE THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PAY THE RENT AT THE END OF THE

3:41:09PM MONTH OR CAR PAYMENT.
3:41:11PM GOD FORBID THEY HAD A CAR BREAK DOWN OR SOMETHING.
3:41:15PM EVEN LITTLE THINGS CAN GREATLY IMPACT A BUSINESS.
3:41:18PM HOWARD AVENUE IS A VERY IMPORTANT CORRIDOR.
3:41:20PM IT'S ONE OF THE BUSIEST, MOST IMPORTANT ARTERIES
3:41:23PM BUSINESS-WISE, COMMERCIAL CORRIDORS IN THE CITY OF TAMPA.
3:41:26PM PEOPLE COME SPECIFICALLY TO TAMPA FOR SOME OF THE LOCATIONS
3:41:30PM THERE.
3:41:30PM IT WAS RAISED ABOUT A 120 DAY CONTINUANCE.
3:41:37PM I BROUGHT UP THE MAN THAT HAD THE BRAIN TUMOR THAT WENT TO
3:41:41PM ALL THE SPECIALISTS, ALL THE NEUROSURGEONS AND TOLD HIM
3:41:45PM CAN'T DO ANYTHING FOR YOU UNTIL SOMEBODY SAID I'M WILLING TO
3:41:49PM OPERATE ON YOU AND SAVED THE LIFE.
3:41:52PM IN THIS CASE, I THINK THEY ARE ASKING FOR THE 120 DAYS,
3:41:54PM BEFORE WE APPROVE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE $65 MILLION,
3:41:57PM MAYBE MORE.
3:41:58PM I KNOW ONLY AT 7.7 TODAY.
3:42:00PM BEFORE WE SPEND THE MONEY, LET'S LOOK AT EVERY SINGLE OPTION
3:42:03PM ON THE TABLE.
3:42:05PM AS YOU MENTIONED, WHAT IS 120 DAYS?
3:42:07PM I ASKED YOU ABOUT PALMA CEIA PINES AND YOU SAID WE'RE
3:42:09PM LOOKING AT THE STREETS.
3:42:10PM WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PAVING.
3:42:13PM WE'RE DOING THOSE THINGS NOW REGARDLESS.
3:42:15PM VERY BIG CONCERN OF MINE.

3:42:17PM AGAIN, THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD I VISITED AND ALL THE FLOODED
3:42:21PM HOMES AND PEOPLE I'M IN MOST COMMUNICATION HAPPEN TO BE
3:42:25PM NORTH OF SWANN.
3:42:25PM BEFORE WE SPEND ALL THE MONEY, WHAT IS THE HARM IN 120 DAYS?
3:42:30PM THIS COULD BE THE PROJECT THAT FIXES EVERYTHING.
3:42:33PM MAYBE EVERYTHING IS RIGHT HERE.
3:42:34PM WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL SIDES.
3:42:37PM COUNCIL MEMBERS MENTIONED NOT EVERYBODY WILL BE HAPPY.
3:42:39PM PEOPLE WILL SUE, PEOPLE WILL FIGHT.
3:42:41PM THIS IS THE MOST DIVISIVE ISSUE I'VE SEEN.
3:42:44PM AT THE VERY LEAST, WE SHOULD OFFER THE DECENCY TO POSTPONE
3:42:50PM THIS FOR 120 DAYS.
3:42:52PM THEY CAN COME BACK ALL SIDES AND SAY, LOOK, THERE ARE NO
3:42:56PM OTHER OPTIONS, WE FAILED BUT AT LEAST WE TRIED BEFORE WE
3:42:59PM MOVED FORWARD.
3:43:00PM MY CONCERN IS WE APPROVE THE PROJECT TODAY, YOU SAY THERE
3:43:02PM ARE MANY BITES AT THE APPLE, AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE, BUT
3:43:05PM ONCE YOU APPROVE A CONTRACT, ONCE YOU GET INTO THE
3:43:07PM NITTY-GRITTY, ONCE THE FIRST SHOVEL HITS THE GROUND THERE IS
3:43:11PM GOING TO BE THE EXCUSE OF, WELL, WE ALREADY STARTED, ALREADY
3:43:14PM DECIDED.
3:43:14PM I WENT THROUGH THIS CONTRACT MULTIPLE TIMES AND IT'S HOWARD
3:43:17PM HOWARD, HOWARD, HOWARD, HOWARD, AGAIN, IF I WERE KING FOR
3:43:21PM THE DAY AND HAD A MAGIC WAND I COULD FIND ANOTHER SOLUTION
3:43:25PM BECAUSE AGAIN, I MENTIONED AT THE LAST MEETING, I DON'T WANT

3:43:28PM TO HURT ANYBODY.
3:43:29PM SOMEBODY IS GOING TO GET HURT IN THIS.
3:43:32PM I SAW SOMETHING LIKE 1700 EMPLOYEES COULD BE AFFECTED.
3:43:35PM I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL.
3:43:38PM WE CAN ADDRESS THE FLOODING WITHOUT CAUSING SO MUCH OF AN
3:43:43PM IMPACT.
3:43:44PM COUNCILMAN CARLSON TALKS ABOUT SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM
3:43:46PM SOLUTIONS, I BELIEVE THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO NOW IN
3:43:49PM PREPARATION BEFORE THE RAINY SEASON STARTS.
3:43:51PM MAINTENANCE HAS BEEN A BIG ISSUE.
3:43:53PM I WAS THERE IN 2016 TO VOTE FOR THAT STORMWATER ASSESSMENT.
3:43:58PM ONE OF THE TOUGHEST VOTES I EVER HAD TO TAKE, BUT IT
3:44:01PM PROVIDED THE FUNDING AND THE MONEY THAT WE NEEDED TO ADDRESS
3:44:05PM STORMWATER AND FLOODING THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
3:44:06PM I GAVE YOU, WITH MY VOTE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, HEY, NOW
3:44:11PM WE HAVE A STORMWATER MAINTENANCE ASSESSMENT.
3:44:13PM THE MONEY IS THERE.
3:44:14PM LET'S LOOK AT EVERY OPTION.
3:44:16PM WHAT IS 120 DAYS IF WE'RE DOING WORK IN PALMA CEIA PINES,
3:44:21PM LOOKING AT OTHER THINGS.
3:44:22PM SO MUCH CAN BE DONE BEFORE WE GO, WHAT I HOPE IS NOT THE
3:44:25PM POINT OF NO RETURN.
3:44:27PM >>VIK BHIDE: MAY I PLEASE RESPOND TO THAT?
3:44:29PM WHAT IS THE POINT OF 120 DAYS?
3:44:31PM THE POINT OF THIS CONTRACT IN FRONT OF YOU IS SO THAT THE

3:44:36PM CITY CAN HAVE THE DESIGN-BUILD TEAM ON BOARD TO ADVISE US.
3:44:41PM SO THE NEXT 120 DAYS THAT HAVE BEEN ASKED FOR, THIS TEAM CAN
3:44:47PM PARTICIPATE WITH US AND ENGAGE ON THESE QUESTIONS.
3:44:50PM THEY ARE BEING PAID TO DO JUST THAT.
3:44:54PM WHAT WILL GIVE US MORE RESOURCES IN THE NEXT 120 DAYS IS TO
3:44:58PM HAVE THIS TEAM ON BOARD TO ASSIST US WITH THESE
3:45:02PM CONVERSATIONS.
3:45:03PM WE'VE HIRED THEM TO DO THE DESIGN-BUILD ANYWAYS.
3:45:05PM SO WHY NOT HAVE THEM BE PARTICIPATING IN THESE DISCUSSIONS?
3:45:09PM BUT IF WE DON'T APPROVE THE CONTRACTS, THEY ARE ON THE
3:45:13PM SIDELINE.
3:45:13PM WE'RE HAVING A SEPARATE DISCUSSION AND THEN BRINGING IN A
3:45:17PM DESIGN-BUILDER THAT HAS BEEN ASKED TO DESIGN AND BUILD THE
3:45:20PM SOLUTION.
3:45:21PM YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, RIGHT NOW IT IS HOWARD.
3:45:25PM BUT IT'S A PRODUCT OF YEARS OF LOOKING AT IT THREE DIFFERENT
3:45:30PM CONSULTANTS.
3:45:31PM THIS ISN'T JUST CITY STAFF.
3:45:33PM IT'S THREE DIFFERENT CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT IT.
3:45:36PM THE GEOLOGY AND THE HYDROLOGY OF THE BASIN HASN'T CHANGED
3:45:40PM THAT MUCH BETWEEN 2017 AND NOW.
3:45:43PM THE ISSUES ARE THE SAME WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE PUT THE BEST
3:45:49PM SOLUTION FORWARD.
3:45:50PM WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAS ENGAGED A
3:45:53PM CONSULTANT FROM ORLANDO TO LOOK INTO THIS FURTHER FOR THE

3:45:59PM NEXT 120 DAYS, ALLOW US TO HAVE THE DESIGNER ON BOARD TO DO
3:46:03PM THAT AND HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM.
3:46:05PM THE DESIGN-BUILD TEAM IS RIGHT HERE.
3:46:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I WANT US TO EXHAUST ALL OPTIONS,
3:46:11PM EVERYBODY TO EXHAUST ALL OPTIONS BEFORE WE GO PAST THE POINT
3:46:13PM OF NO RETURN.
3:46:14PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:46:15PM COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
3:46:21PM >>BILL CARLSON: I WANT TO MAKE FINAL COMMENTS.
3:46:24PM NOT QUESTIONS.
3:46:24PM JUST STATEMENTS.
3:46:25PM IT'S OBVIOUS THIS IS GOING TO PASS.
3:46:27PM I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS MY OPPOSITION TO THIS FOR MANY, MANY
3:46:29PM REASONS, WHICH I'LL MENTION HERE.
3:46:31PM I WANT TO EXPLAIN WHY I AM VOTING NO.
3:46:34PM FIRST OF ALL, THE DIVISIVENESS ABOUT THE WAY THIS WHOLE
3:46:37PM THING WAS HANDLED IS NOT GOOD.
3:46:39PM WE TALK ABOUT, LET'S JUST START THE DESIGN PHASE.
3:46:43PM THE PROBLEM WAS THE WAY THE FIRST YEAR OR TWO OF THIS WAS
3:46:46PM HANDLED.
3:46:47PM HAD THESE OTHER CONSULTANTS HAD REAL PUBLIC INPUT WHERE YOU
3:46:51PM LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND PUT PUBLIC FACTORS INTO IT, WHICH
3:46:54PM EVERY MAJOR ENGINEERING PROJECT IN THE WORLD HANDLES.
3:46:58PM EVERY BIG PROJECT HANDLES LISTENING TO THE PUBLIC.
3:47:00PM IN THIS CASE WE DIDN'T.

3:47:02PM WE LOOKED AT IT AND DECIDED FOR A FEW REASONS THAT WE WANT
3:47:05PM THIS ROUTE AND THIS SOLUTION.
3:47:06PM I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL OTHER ENGINEERS OUTSIDE THE CITY AND
3:47:09PM I GET DIFFERENT FEEDBACK.
3:47:11PM THE PROBLEM IS EVEN IN THE RFQ, HAS ONE ROUTE.
3:47:15PM WE SAY THERE ARE OPTIONS BUT ONLY ONE ROUTE, REALLY.
3:47:18PM IF THIS PROJECT WAS TO DO DESIGN FOR ALL SOLUTIONS, ALL
3:47:23PM OPPORTUNITIES, ALL ROUTES, I WOULD VOTE FOR IT IN A SECOND
3:47:27PM BECAUSE WE NEED SOLUTIONS.
3:47:28PM THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE PROCESS DID NOT INCLUDE THAT.
3:47:31PM SURE THERE WERE MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD.
3:47:33PM BUT MONDAY WAS THE FIRST REAL BIG SUBSTANTIVE PUBLIC MEETING
3:47:38PM WHERE EVERYBODY WAS INVITED.
3:47:39PM COUNCILMAN VIERA TALKS ABOUT HOW WE'RE DATING BEFORE WE GET
3:47:42PM MARRIED.
3:47:43PM THE REALITY HERE IS WE'RE SAYING LET'S GET MARRIED, LET'S
3:47:45PM GET MARRIED RIGHT AWAY.
3:47:47PM I JUST MET YOU BUT LET'S GET MARRIED.
3:47:49PM MOST OF THE PUBLIC JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS IN THE LAST
3:47:52PM WEEK.
3:47:52PM LET'S GET MARRIED.
3:47:53PM A YEAR FROM NOW, IF YOU DON'T LIKE US, WE CAN GET A DIVORCE.
3:47:57PM THAT'S NOT THE WAY WE SHOULD HANDLE THINGS.
3:47:59PM WE SHOULD DO THE DATING FIRST.
3:48:01PM MANY OF YOU WATCHING -- A PROJECT TOILET TO TAP THAT THIS

3:48:05PM ADMINISTRATION PRESENTED TO US FIVE YEARS AGO, BUT THEY HAD
3:48:08PM ENGINEERS AND STUDIES, AND THEY SAID HERE IS THE ONLY
3:48:11PM SOLUTION WE HAVE.
3:48:12PM IT IS AN EXPERIMENTAL SOLUTION FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY.
3:48:15PM WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.
3:48:17PM THIS IS A GREAT THING.
3:48:18PM WE NEED THIS.
3:48:19PM WATER QUALITY FROM OTHER SOURCES ISN'T GOOD.
3:48:22PM WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF WATER WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF
3:48:25PM YEARS AFTER THAT, FORCING THE ADMINISTRATION AND ENGINEERS
3:48:27PM AND DEPARTMENTS TO DO ALTERNATIVE ANALYSIS AND GETTING
3:48:30PM OUTSIDE OPINIONS AND SIERRA CLUB AND OTHER EXPERTS, NATIONAL
3:48:35PM AND INTERNATIONAL EXPERTS, WE PROVED THAT.
3:48:38PM CITY COUNCIL SHOT DOWN THE PROJECT THREE TIMES.
3:48:40PM WE MAY END UP GOING BACK TO A HYBRID VERSION OF IT.
3:48:44PM THE POINT IS THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS TURNED DOWN LOTS OF
3:48:46PM PROJECTS THAT THE ENGINEERS AND CONSULTANTS AND OTHERS PUSH.
3:48:48PM TURNS OUT EXPERIMENTAL IDEA WAS NOT EVEN A GOOD IDEA.
3:48:54PM DIDN'T EVEN WORK.
3:48:55PM MY BIGGEST PROBLEM.
3:48:56PM WE ALL VISIT THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE HAVE A DUTY TO SOLVE
3:48:59PM THEIR PROBLEM.
3:49:00PM NOT SAYING PROTECT US FOUR YEARS FROM NOW.
3:49:02PM THEY ARE SAYING PROTECT US NOW.
3:49:04PM ALL THE TESTIMONY WE HEARD, REALLY THIS IS NOT GOING TO

3:49:06PM PROTECT ANYBODY FOR FOUR YEARS.
3:49:07PM MAYBE A LITTLE BIT IN THE MIDDLE BUT CERTAINLY NOT EVEN THE
3:49:10PM NEXT YEAR BECAUSE NOTHING WILL HIT THE GROUND IN THE NEXT
3:49:13PM YEAR.
3:49:13PM EVERYBODY IN PARKLAND ESTATES, PALMA CEIA, FINISH FIXING
3:49:19PM THEIR HOUSES, NEXT MONTH, NEXT SUMMER, NEXT HURRICANE SEASON
3:49:23PM IT RAINS, WE'RE NOT PROTECTING THEM AT ALL.
3:49:26PM IF YOU COULD GIVE ME A SOLUTION TO PROTECT THEM FROM THE
3:49:29PM NEXT RAIN, I WOULD VOTE FOR IT IN A SECOND.
3:49:32PM AQUA FENCES LIKE TGH HAS.
3:49:34PM I WANT TO PROTECT THEIR HOUSES.
3:49:36PM BUT THIS WON'T PROTECT THEM FOR THREE, FOUR YEARS.
3:49:39PM NEXT TIME IT RAINS, THEY'LL SAY HOW COME YOU GUYS HAVEN'T DO
3:49:42PM ANYTHING.
3:49:42PM WE'LL SAY THE EXPERTS TOLD US WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING.
3:49:45PM EXPERTS I TALK TO SAY THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS, REMOVING THE
3:49:48PM CONCRETE OUT OF FOUNTAIN PARK.
3:49:51PM ALSO E-MAIL TESTIMONY, MAPS AND OTHER THINGS THAT SHOW THAT
3:49:53PM AFTER IT'S DONE, AFTER SPENDS 65 OR WHATEVER MILLION, NOT
3:49:58PM GOING TO HELP IN A HURRICANE.
3:49:59PM THIS WAS DESIGNED WITH OLD DATA.
3:50:00PM THERE IS NEW DATA --
3:50:03PM >>VIK BHIDE: NOT TRUE.
3:50:04PM >>BILL CARLSON: IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
3:50:05PM JUST SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS, THE ADMINISTRATION SOMETIMES WHEN

3:50:10PM THEY DISAGREE WITH SOMETHING, THEY ASK STAFF TO ARGUE WITH
3:50:13PM US.
3:50:13PM I'M NOT ASKING TO YOU ARGUE.
3:50:15PM I'M ASKING TO GIVE THE FACTS.
3:50:16PM I'VE SEEN THE MAPS.
3:50:17PM WE'VE HAD OTHER PEOPLE LOOK AT THE MAPS.
3:50:19PM SEEN THE ROUTES.
3:50:20PM WE'VE SEEN THE STORMWATER MAPS.
3:50:22PM IF YOU WERE -- IF YOU'RE PLANNING ON HANDLING -- YOU SAID
3:50:27PM EVEN LAST WEEK IT WON'T HANDLE 11.5 INCHES OF RAIN.
3:50:30PM MILTON HITS AGAIN, THIS IS DONE, STILL FLOOD THIS
3:50:34PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
3:50:34PM MORE THAN 5.5 INCHES, STILL GOING TO FLOOD BOTH OF THESE
3:50:37PM NEIGHBORHOODS.
3:50:38PM IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT WORKS.
3:50:40PM IF IT COSTS A HUNDRED MILLION AND PREVENTS THEM FROM GETTING
3:50:43PM FLOODED THEN THAT'S FINE.
3:50:45PM IF WE SPEND 65 MILLION AND DOESN'T PROTECT THEM THE NEXT
3:50:48PM FOUR YEARS AND DOESN'T PROTECT THEM AFTERWARDS, THEN WE MADE
3:50:50PM A TERRIBLE DECISION AND WASTED TAXPAYER MONEY.
3:50:53PM IT'S NOT HELPING PALMA CEIA PINES BECAUSE THEY REALLY
3:50:55PM WEREN'T INCLUDED IN THE PLAN.
3:50:57PM NO SHORT-TERM PLANS.
3:50:58PM ROUTE IS SET.
3:50:59PM IT'S NOT.

3:50:59PM USING OLD TECH, OLD DATA.
3:51:01PM SPEND A FEW HUNDRED THOUSAND AND GET A BETTER PLAN.
3:51:04PM COUNTY OFFICIAL SAID THIS MORNING, COUNCILMAN VIERA SAID WHY
3:51:07PM DON'T WE PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY.
3:51:09PM COUNTY OFFICIAL SAID YOU SHOULD WAIT BEFORE YOU SPEND MONEY
3:51:13PM UNTIL YOU GET OUR ANALYSIS BECAUSE OUR ANALYSIS IS GOING TO
3:51:16PM SHOW WHAT YOU NEED TO DO.
3:51:18PM WE NEED A SYSTEMIC SOLUTION TO FIX THE PROBLEM, NOT ONE THAT
3:51:21PM JUST MAKES PEOPLE HAPPY THAT WE CHECK THE BOX.
3:51:24PM >>VIK BHIDE: CAN I RESPOND REAL QUICK?
3:51:26PM WE WILL USE THE LATEST DATA WHEN WE BEGIN DESIGN.
3:51:34PM THAT IS WHEN.
3:51:35PM PLUS, SEA LEVEL RISE IS REQUIRED TO BE CONSIDERED WHICH
3:51:41PM REQUIRES THE LATEST DATA AS PART OF THE $10 MILLION GRANT
3:51:46PM WE'VE GOT FROM FDEP.
3:51:48PM AS FAR AS WHAT MR. HORWEDEL SAID FROM THE COUNTY THIS
3:51:53PM MORNING, MAY I GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THAT --
3:51:58PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:51:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: ARE WE GOING TO HAVE A DEBATE --
3:52:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THIS IS THE FINAL ROUND.
3:52:06PM >>VIK BHIDE: THIS IS RELEVANT.
3:52:07PM >>BILL CARLSON: YOU HAD LOTS OF CHANCE TO PRESENT YOUR DATA.
3:52:10PM I DIDN'T INTERRUPT YOU EARLY AND DEBATE.
3:52:16PM I APPRECIATE NOT HAVING A DEBATE NOW.
3:52:17PM YOU PRESENTED WHAT YOU WANTED.

3:52:19PM I PRESENTED WHAT I WANTED.
3:52:20PM I DIDN'T GO MONDAY SO YOU COULD PRESENT ANYTHING YOU WANTED
3:52:26PM --
3:52:26PM >>VIK BHIDE: I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SHARE THAT AFTER THIS
3:52:29PM MEETING, WE WENT OUT WITH MR. HORWEDEL AND THE COUNTY TEAM.
3:52:35PM COUNCILMAN VIERA WAS THERE TO TAKE A PICTURE WITH THEM
3:52:38PM BECAUSE HE HAD INVITED THEM TO SPEAK OUT HERE.
3:52:41PM IN FRONT OF ME AND OTHER COUNTY STAFF MEMBERS, HE ASKED MR.
3:52:46PM HORWEDEL, DID YOU MEAN THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT WHEN YOU
3:52:51PM SAID THAT?
3:52:51PM HE SAID NO, I DID NOT.
3:52:54PM I CAN ATTEST TO THAT BECAUSE THE SOUTH HOWARD PROJECT IS IN
3:52:57PM THE WATERSHED THAT IS NOT CONNECTED TO UNINCORPORATED
3:53:01PM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND RELATED TO ANY OF THAT COORDINATION
3:53:05PM WE'RE GOING TO DO IN ANY WAY.
3:53:07PM SO I THINK THE BROADER POINT -- AND I DON'T MEAN TO SPEAK
3:53:11PM FOR HIM AT ALL -- BUT WHAT MR. HORWEDEL WAS TRYING TO SAY,
3:53:18PM THE BROADER POINT HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE, WE NEED TO TAKE A
3:53:21PM HOLISTIC LOOK AT THIS TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE SOLUTIONS WE
3:53:24PM NEED.
3:53:25PM I WOULD SEPARATE THAT FROM THIS PROJECT BECAUSE WE HAVE
3:53:29PM TAKEN A HOLISTIC LOOK AT THIS WATERSHED AND PUT FORTH THE
3:53:33PM BEST POSSIBLE SOLUTION AFTER STUDIED CONSIDERATION.
3:53:37PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:53:37PM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA, YOU HAD YOUR MICROPHONE.

3:53:40PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: THANK YOU.
3:53:41PM IT WILL NEVER GET FIXED.
3:53:45PM BACK IN THE '90s, A HUNDRED PERCENT.
3:53:47PM BACK IN THE '90s WHEN GRECO WAS MAYOR, WE MET IN HIS
3:53:52PM OFFICE DOWNSTAIRS IN THE OTHER BUILDING.
3:53:53PM WE HAD ENGINEERS.
3:53:54PM IT WAS MYSELF, GRECO, CITY ATTORNEY.
3:53:57PM WE WENT ALL OVER THE SOUTH AREA, HOW CAN WE SAVE IT?
3:54:01PM THE ANSWER WAS, YOU HAVE TO PUT A PIPELINE 30 MILES NORTH,
3:54:07PM PUMP THE WATER OUT, BECAUSE WATER DOESN'T MOVE NORTH VERY
3:54:10PM EASY.
3:54:11PM BUILD YOURSELF A RESERVOIR ABOUT 10 BILLION GALLONS AND FILL
3:54:15PM IT.
3:54:16PM DRAIN IT UP, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE $6 BILLION?
3:54:21PM THAT WAS THEN.
3:54:22PM THAT WAS 30 YEARS AGO.
3:54:24PM IT COULD BE SOLVED.
3:54:28PM I'M SURE ENGINEER -- NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
3:54:34PM TALKING ABOUT MAKING A SAVINGS OF WHAT WE HAVE FOR THE NEXT
3:54:37PM 20 OR 30 YEARS.
3:54:38PM THAT'S WHAT THE NORMAL THING IS, POWER PLANTS, THEY HAVE TO
3:54:42PM REGENERATE THEMSELVES EVERY 20 OR 30 YEARS.
3:54:44PM SO DOES THIS OPERATION.
3:54:46PM THIS IS NOT GOING TO LAST FOREVER.
3:54:48PM I KNOW AND I'M TELLING YOU THE TRUTH.

3:54:51PM AS A PITCHER, I NEVER THREW A FAST BALL.
3:54:57PM HERE I'M THROWING FAST BALLS.
3:54:59PM YOU CAN SEE THEM COMING.
3:55:00PM THIS WILL WORK.
3:55:03PM YOU MENTIONED TOILET TO TAP, DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL IT'S
3:55:06PM GOT TO DO WITH STORMWATER.
3:55:10PM I GIVE UP.
3:55:11PM NUMBER ONE.
3:55:11PM NUMBER TWO, IT IS INCUMBENT UPON ALL OF US, WHETHER I LIKE
3:55:15PM IT OR NOT, TO TRY TO FIX THE BEST WE CAN WE'RE IN PUBLIC
3:55:20PM SERVICE.
3:55:20PM THAT'S WHAT IT IS ABOUT AND TRYING TO GET AT.
3:55:24PM RAMIFICATIONS, SOMEONE MAY NOT LIKE IT, SURELY WILL.
3:55:27PM SOMETHING THAT WE WORK TOGETHER TO SOLVE TO MINIMIZE THINGS,
3:55:31PM YES, WE CAN.
3:55:32PM AMONG ALL THOSE THINGS TOGETHER, YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THAT IT
3:55:36PM CAN BE DONE AND THEY MENTIONED THE SIERRA CLUB.
3:55:39PM GOT NEWS, SIERRA CLUB IN CALIFORNIA OKAYED THEIRS.
3:55:44PM EVIDENTLY THEY DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER.
3:55:46PM SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS, WHAT'S THE BEEF?
3:55:50PM THE OLD LADY, WHAT'S THE BEEF?
3:55:52PM HOW CAN WE SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
3:55:54PM CAN'T SOLVE IT BY SAYING THERE IS NO BEEF.
3:55:57PM THERE IS A BEEF HERE AND IT'S GOING TO GET BETTER AND WORSE
3:56:01PM -- BETTER OR WORSE.

3:56:02PM NEIGHBORHOOD SUPPORTS ALL OF US.
3:56:04PM THE ATTORNEYS AND THE INDIVIDUALS LIKE YOURSELF AND OTHERS
3:56:07PM ARE THE PROFESSIONALS.
3:56:09PM WE HAVE TO LISTEN TO YOU.
3:56:10PM I BASE IT ON EVERYTHING I HEAR FROM BOTH SIDES, NOT JUST ONE
3:56:13PM SIDE.
3:56:13PM LIKE I SAID, NO CURVEBALLS.
3:56:17PM JUST STRAIGHT FAST BALLS.
3:56:18PM THAT'S IT.
3:56:20PM I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ONE.
3:56:20PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCILMAN VIERA.
3:56:22PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:56:24PM THANK YOU, MR. BHIDE, FOR MENTIONING THAT.
3:56:26PM I INQUIRED ON THAT BECAUSE WHEN I HEARD THAT, I DON'T LIKE
3:56:29PM TO ASK PUBLIC QUESTIONS TO QUESTIONS I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER
3:56:32PM TO, RIGHT?
3:56:32PM YEAH, I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I WENT, OKAY, THIS
3:56:39PM MIGHT CHANGE MY PERSPECTIVE.
3:56:40PM I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT.
3:56:41PM AGAIN, I'M GOING TO RESTATE WHAT I SAID BEFORE, WHICH IS
3:56:45PM MILTON FOR ME, THE EXPERIENCE OF GOING TO ALL THE HOMES IN
3:56:49PM SOUTH TAMPA, NORTH TAMPA, TOWN N' COUNTRY, ET CETERA,
3:56:51PM CHANGED EVERYTHING FOR ME IN TERMS OF MY PERSPECTIVE ON THIS
3:56:54PM AND SO MANY OTHER THINGS.
3:56:58PM IT'S THIS IS PART -- COUNCILWOMAN HURTAK SAID IT VERY WELL,

3:57:01PM WHICH IS THIS IS PART OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO EVENTUALLY WANT
3:57:04PM FOR OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE THOSE IN NORTH TAMPA.
3:57:06PM THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY MORTGAGE PLAN IS ABOUT AND THAT WE
3:57:10PM WERE BRIEFED ON THIS MORNING AND DIFFERENT THINGS.
3:57:13PM THIS IS THE END GOAL, IF YOU WILL, FOR A LOT OF IT.
3:57:18PM THIS IS THE BEGINNING.
3:57:19PM THIS IS THE BEGINNING, AND IF THIS PASSES BY ONE VOTE, BY
3:57:22PM THE WAY, THIS IS A BEGINNING THAT HANGS BY ONE VOTE.
3:57:26PM I DON'T WANT TO SAY BY A THREAD BUT ONE VOTE.
3:57:29PM IF THINGS AREN'T DONE ACCORDING TO HOW FOLKS WANT, PASSES
3:57:33PM MAYBE 5-2, 6-1, WHO KNOWS, BUT HANGS CAREFULLY.
3:57:41PM WE'RE AT ROCKY ONE.
3:57:43PM THIS IS THE BEGINNING, NOT THE END, SO TO SPEAK.
3:57:46PM BY THE WAY, IN TERMS OF SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS, I'M GLAD TO
3:57:50PM HAVE A DISCUSSION ON SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
3:57:53PM LET'S GET THEM DONE IMMEDIATELY.
3:57:55PM I MEAN, LIKE IMMEDIATELY.
3:57:57PM BUT ACCOMPLISHING THAT, WE CAN DO A NUMBER OF THINGS AT ONE
3:58:00PM TIME.
3:58:00PM I VOTED FOR MOTIONS IN TERMS OF SHORT-TERM SOLUTIONS.
3:58:05PM MADE A FEW MYSELF AND CONTINUE TO GO DOWN THAT ROUTE.
3:58:07PM THANK YOU.
3:58:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
3:58:09PM I APPRECIATE THE ROCKY BALBOA AND BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN
3:58:13PM REFERENCES.

3:58:14PM ANYBODY ELSE?
3:58:14PM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
3:58:19PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: COUNCIL'S PLEASURE, FOR HOUSEKEEPING
3:58:25PM PURPOSES, COUNCIL'S PLEASURE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, A
3:58:28PM SOLUTION WOULD BE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF AN INCONSISTENCY,
3:58:33PM TO TAKE THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE INITIALLY ON JUNE 20, 2024,
3:58:38PM FILE CM-24-6831 TO AMEND THAT MOTION AND STRIKE THE CLAUSE
3:58:43PM THAT SAYS, AND THAT COUNCIL WILL NOT VOTE OR FUND A PLAN
3:58:47PM THAT PLACES SAID VAULTS ON BRISTOL AVENUE.
3:58:50PM THAT WOULD MAKE IT CONSISTENT WITH THE CONTRACT AND THAT
3:58:53PM WOULD SOLVE ANY INCONSISTENCIES WITH COUNCIL'S POLICY.
3:58:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: CAN WE HOLD OFF ON THAT DISCUSSION UNTIL
3:59:00PM WE ARE FINISHED WITH THIS DISCUSSION?
3:59:02PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: I'M SORRY.
3:59:03PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE'RE STILL IN THE TALKING ROUND.
3:59:05PM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
3:59:07PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: VIK, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SAID
3:59:09PM EVERYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY.
3:59:11PM IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD?
3:59:14PM >>VIK BHIDE: NO, MA'AM.
3:59:15PM THANK YOU.
3:59:17PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK, YOU HAVE THE
3:59:19PM MICROPHONE ON.
3:59:19PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I MOVE THE RESOLUTION.
3:59:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.

3:59:22PM BEFORE WE VOTE, I WOULD SUPPORT A 120 DAY CONTINUANCE.
3:59:28PM I WANT TO EXHAUST ALL OPTIONS BEFORE WE GO BEYOND THE POINT
3:59:33PM OF NO RETURN BECAUSE THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY AND IT'S NOT
3:59:36PM REALLY ABOUT THE MONEY.
3:59:37PM IT'S ABOUT THE IMPACT.
3:59:39PM IT'S ABOUT WILL IT WORK.
3:59:43PM HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE AFFECTED.
3:59:44PM WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT AND ALL
3:59:47PM THE E-MAILS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO AFFECT A LOT OF PEOPLE,
3:59:50PM GOOD AND BAD.
3:59:51PM WHAT CAN WE DO IN THE SHORT TERM?
3:59:56PM SINCE THE DAY I GOT HERE, IT'S ABOUT SPEND THE MONEY.
4:00:00PM SPEND THE MONEY.
4:00:01PM COST MILLIONS.
4:00:01PM GIVE ME THE SHOVEL, WHAT CAN I DO?
4:00:03PM NO, CAN'T DO THAT.
4:00:05PM NO CAN'T DO THAT.
4:00:06PM EVERYTHING IS NO.
4:00:07PM ALL ABOUT SPENDING THE TAXPAYER DOLLAR AND ALWAYS A HUGE
4:00:10PM AMOUNT.
4:00:10PM STORMWATER ASSESSMENT WAS A QUARTER OF A BILLION DOLLARS,
4:00:14PM WHICH THIS IS PART OF.
4:00:16PM WHY CAN'T WE DO THINGS CHEAPER?
4:00:18PM WHY CAN'T WE LOOK AT DIFFERENT SOLUTIONS?
4:00:21PM THAT FRUSTRATES ME WITH POLITICIANS, ME BEING ONE.

4:00:25PM EVERYTHING IS EXPENSIVE.
4:00:27PM EVERYTHING THAT GOES TO THE GOVERNMENT IS EXPENSIVE AND
4:00:29PM EVERYTHING IS NO UNLESS WE AWARD THIS CONTRACT AND WE DO
4:00:33PM THIS.
4:00:33PM I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THIS.
4:00:35PM I WANT TO HELP THE PEOPLE THAT WERE FLOODED.
4:00:37PM MILTON WAS HORRIBLE.
4:00:38PM I HOPE TO NEVER EXPERIENCE IT AND GLAD IT WASN'T A CATEGORY
4:00:43PM 5 BECAUSE I HEARD THAT TWO DAYS BEFORE, WE'RE PREPARING FOR
4:00:46PM A KATRINA-LIKE SITUATION.
4:00:49PM AND I SAID IT'S OVER.
4:00:50PM LUCKILY WE DIDN'T GET THAT.
4:00:52PM UNFORTUNATELY IT'S HAPPENED IN OTHER PLACES.
4:00:54PM IT'S DEVASTATING.
4:00:55PM HOMES HAVE BEEN RUINED.
4:00:56PM I'VE BEEN IN THOSE HOMES.
4:00:58PM PEOPLE HAVE LOST EVERYTHING.
4:00:59PM PEOPLE'S LIFE SAVINGS HAVE BEEN WIPED OUT.
4:01:02PM BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO CLOSE.
4:01:03PM BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED.
4:01:05PM I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO WORK AT THE END OF THE DAY.
4:01:07PM IT'S GOING TO BE YEARS OUT.
4:01:09PM BEFORE WE MAKE THESE DECISIONS, A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME.
4:01:12PM IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING.
4:01:14PM MAYBE IT WILL, MAYBE IT WON'T.

4:01:16PM BUT TO HAVE ALL OPPORTUNITIES ON THE TABLE, WHAT IS 120
4:01:19PM DAYS? THE RAINY SEASON DOESN'T START UNTIL THE SUMMER.
4:01:22PM CONSTRUCTION ON THIS ISN'T GOING TO START UNTIL WAY BEYOND
4:01:25PM THAT IF EVERYTHING GOES THROUGH.
4:01:28PM THERE IS A LOT AT STAKE HERE.
4:01:30PM THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY.
4:01:31PM I WAS LOG AT THE TIMES EDITORIAL.
4:01:34PM WE SHOULD TAKE A PAUSE ON THIS.
4:01:37PM APPARENTLY, YOU KNOW, SOME OF US AGREE AND SOME OF US DON'T.
4:01:40PM THAT'S FINE.
4:01:41PM BUT BEFORE WE MAKE THESE BIG DECISIONS AND AWARD THESE
4:01:45PM CONTRACTS, WE NEED TO EXHAUST ALL OPTIONS AND MAKE SURE
4:01:48PM WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.
4:01:49PM WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND.
4:01:51PM ANYBODY ELSE HAVE DISCUSSION?
4:01:51PM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
4:01:58PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT I PREVIOUSLY
4:02:00PM SAID.
4:02:00PM THAT'S BECAUSE AGAIN THIS IS SO IMPORTANT TO SO MANY
4:02:03PM ELEMENTS OF THE COMMUNITY, THAT IF WE PASS THIS RESOLUTION
4:02:07PM TODAY, I KNOW YOU AND I HAD PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS, TAKE THIS
4:02:11PM TO CONTRACTORS, THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THESE ALTERNATE
4:02:15PM ROUTES AND THEY'LL REEVALUATE THEM AGAIN.
4:02:20PM LOOK AT A ROUTE THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE HOWARD.
4:02:22PM LOOK AT A PROPOSAL THAT DOES NOT GO THROUGH THE HISTORIC

4:02:24PM NEIGHBORHOOD OF PARKLAND ESTATES.
4:02:26PM ANYTHING THAT IMPACTS HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE GOING
4:02:35PM THROUGH HYDE PARK, OTHER HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS, THINGS THAT
4:02:37PM WE HOLD VERY DEAR IN THE CITY AS HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
4:02:41PM SO MUCH OF WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH OVERLAY DISTRICTS.
4:02:43PM HOW MANY RULES DO WE HAVE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW
4:02:46PM COMMISSION.
4:02:46PM HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THE PRIVATE SECTOR SPEND TO JUMP THROUGH
4:02:52PM OUR HURDLES TO COMPLY WITH OUR RULES REFERENCE TO HISTORICAL
4:02:57PM DISTRICTS.
4:02:57PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT -- WE'RE TAKING THAT
4:03:02PM GRAVITAS OF WHAT THAT COMMUNITY MEANS TO THE CITY OF TAMPA.
4:03:06PM AGAIN, ALL THESE THINGS HAVE TO WEIGH IN.
4:03:12PM YOU AND I HAVE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO
4:03:14PM DO THAT, THAT WE LOOK AT A ROUTE THAT GOES DOWN SWANN AVENUE
4:03:18PM AND GOES TO HOWARD SO WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE OPTIONS ON THE
4:03:21PM TABLE.
4:03:21PM I DO BELIEVE THAT THE COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN IN REFERENCE TO
4:03:24PM BRISTOL BECAUSE I THINK IT IS VERY UNIQUE AND VERY SPECIFIC
4:03:27PM WANT, NEED AND DESIRE.
4:03:29PM I ALSO WANT TO REITERATE THAT I HOPE THAT YOU TAKE AND I
4:03:35PM HOPE THIS COUNCIL SUPPORTS, I BELIEVE THEY DO, THAT THIS
4:03:39PM PROJECT, WE NEED TO EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT TO
4:03:42PM INCLUDE TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PALMA CEIA PINES NEIGHBORHOOD
4:03:44PM AND THE ADJACENT STREETS IS ACCOMMODATED IN THIS IN A

4:03:48PM MEANINGFUL WAY.
4:03:49PM >>VIK BHIDE: THAT IS OUR COMMITMENT.
4:03:51PM NOTHING IN THE CONTRACT PRECLUDES IT.
4:03:53PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I WANT TO MAKE SURE AS WE MOVE FORWARD
4:03:56PM THAT WE ARE WILLING AS A CITY TO EXPAND THE SCOPE OF THIS TO
4:04:01PM INCLUDE, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUSINESSES, THESE DOCTORS'
4:04:05PM OFFICES AND SUCH, THEY HAVE SUFFERED A LOT OF LOSS, TOO.
4:04:09PM I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT.
4:04:13PM WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M WILLING TO TAKE THAT LEAP OF FAITH
4:04:18PM WITH YOU, MR. BHIDE, AND WITH THE CITY, OF KNOWING THAT
4:04:21PM YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THAT.
4:04:23PM IF WE PASS THIS TODAY, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THOSE WANTS,
4:04:26PM NEEDS AND DESIRES INTO ACCOUNT AS YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS
4:04:29PM PROJECT.
4:04:30PM I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING PRODUCTIVE MOVES IN THE COMING
4:04:35PM MONTHS AND THEN THE COMING YEARS TO RESOLVE THIS VERY
4:04:38PM IMPORTANT ISSUE.
4:04:39PM SO THANK YOU.
4:04:42PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON AND HURTAK.
4:04:47PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: TO YOUR POINT REGARDING 120 DAYS OR FOUR
4:04:52PM MONTHS, I DON'T SEE THERE BEING ANY SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE
4:04:55PM BETWEEN NOW AND 120 DAYS, FOUR MONTHS FROM NOW.
4:04:59PM I JUST THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.
4:05:02PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: I'M SO NICE.
4:05:07PM I KNOW.

4:05:09PM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
4:05:09PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT UP THE HISTORIC
4:05:12PM NEIGHBORHOOD.
4:05:13PM SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS STORMWATER PROJECT WENT THROUGH
4:05:15PM AN HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
4:05:16PM WE LEARNED SOME SERIOUS LESSONS FROM THAT.
4:05:19PM SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M -- THAT'S MY COMMITMENT TO THE
4:05:25PM COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE IS I WENT THROUGH THE SOUTHEAST
4:05:28PM SEMINOLE HEIGHTS STORMWATER PROJECT FROM BEFORE I WAS A
4:05:31PM COUNCIL MEMBER JUST AS A CITIZEN, HELPING ORGANIZE THE
4:05:36PM MEETINGS, JOINING COUNCIL AND BECOMING MORE ACTIVE.
4:05:40PM I'VE TOURED THE SITE.
4:05:43PM FOR PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T HERE THE LAST TIME I SPOKE ON THIS,
4:05:46PM IT GOT SO BAD THAT WE HAD TO HAVE THE CONTRACTOR HERE EVERY
4:05:50PM TWO WEEKS TO TELL US ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON.
4:05:53PM SO THE COMMITMENT, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT.
4:05:57PM I EXPECT THAT WE WILL NOT HAVE THAT PROBLEM OF HAVING TO
4:06:01PM BRING THE CONTRACTOR UP EVERY TWO WEEKS, BUT I WILL BE DOING
4:06:06PM -- WE CAN DO MONTHLY TOURS.
4:06:08PM I'LL DO THAT.
4:06:08PM BUT I DEFINITELY WANT AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS
4:06:12PM THAT WHEN WE TALK TO THE CONTRACTORS WHAT DID WE LEARN FROM
4:06:20PM THE SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS PROJECT GOING THROUGH
4:06:22PM HISTORIC AREAS?
4:06:23PM FOR ME, I HAVE A LITTLE MORE FAITH IN THAT BECAUSE WE

4:06:28PM LEARNED A LOT.
4:06:30PM HERE'S THE THING, THAT COMPANY WAS COMING IN FRONT OF US
4:06:33PM EVERY TWO WEEKS.
4:06:34PM I DON'T REALLY HEAR FROM THEM ANYMORE.
4:06:37PM I DON'T HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THINGS HAVE IMPROVED.
4:06:40PM WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON IT.
4:06:44PM WE HAVE TO.
4:06:44PM THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB.
4:06:46PM I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I DO BELIEVE THAT ONCE THE PROJECT
4:06:52PM GETS STARTED, WE HAVE LEARNED ENOUGH.
4:06:58PM AND THE IDEA THAT WE'RE DOING ALL THIS PLANNING AHEAD OF
4:07:00PM TIME, WHICH WAS NOT DONE WITH SOUTHEAST SEMINOLE HEIGHTS, IT
4:07:04PM KIND OF WAS LEARN AS YOU GO.
4:07:06PM AND THAT WAS ROUGH.
4:07:08PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON AND THEN COUNCIL
4:07:10PM MEMBER CLENDENIN WANTED TEN SECONDS.
4:07:12PM >>BILL CARLSON: JUST QUICKLY, MR. BHIDE, YOU OBVIOUSLY WILL
4:07:16PM HAVE THE CHANCE TO MOVE FORWARD AND KEEP ALL THE PROMISES
4:07:18PM THAT YOU AND YOUR TEAM HAVE MADE.
4:07:20PM I'M STILL GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT FOR THE CONCERNS I
4:07:22PM MENTIONED A MINUTE AGO.
4:07:24PM YOU HAVE KIMMINS AND KIMMINS IS A GREAT TEAM.
4:07:28PM WHEN KIMMINS WORKS ON SOMETHING, I NEVER GET COMPLAINTS AT
4:07:31PM ALL.
4:07:32PM MacDILL 48 WAS INCREDIBLY FRUITFUL IN LISTENING TO THE

4:07:37PM PUBLIC.
4:07:38PM THE COMMUNITY IS WALKING INTO THIS WITH A BUNCH OF CONCERNS.
4:07:43PM I HOPE YOU LOOK AT ALL DESIGN SOLUTIONS, ALL ROUTES.
4:07:46PM IF YOU HONESTLY DO THAT AND TAKE THE COMMUNITY THROUGH A
4:07:49PM PROCESS, THE GOAL SHOULD BE WHEN YOU COME BACK THAT YOU GET
4:07:52PM SEVEN VOTES AND NOBODY COMPLAINING IN THE PUBLIC.
4:07:54PM THE GOAL HERE HAS GOT TO BE CONSENSUS IN THE COMMUNITY.
4:07:58PM WE'VE GOT TO ALL WORK TOGETHER.
4:08:01PM I'M AGAINST VOTING FOR THIS BUT LET'S NOT HAVE DIVISION WHEN
4:08:05PM THIS COMES BACK BEFORE US.
4:08:06PM LET'S HAVE UNIFICATION IN THE COMMUNITY.
4:08:10PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: I FORGOT TO MENTION SOMETHING.
4:08:14PM I HEARD SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT MILTON CHANGING THINGS.
4:08:17PM SCRATCH MY HEAD, HOW DID MILTON?
4:08:20PM CLIMATE CHANGE, RISING SEA LEVELS.
4:08:26PM THE DAY BEFORE MILTON REALLY ISN'T DIFFERENT AS THE DAY
4:08:29PM AFTER MILTON.
4:08:30PM AS GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AS FAR AS HOW
4:08:36PM WE BUILD, HOW WE DEVELOP, HOW WE'RE DOING LOT SPLITS.
4:08:40PM WE ARE THE LAND USE PEOPLE HERE.
4:08:42PM I HOPE EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THESE LESSONS WHEN WE GO FORTH
4:08:46PM AND WE START AND WE DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES AS WE'RE
4:08:49PM DEVELOPING THE CITY OF TAMPA OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE
4:08:52PM RESILIENT, MAKING SURE THAT WE TAKE THESE TYPE OF ISSUES
4:08:56PM INTO ACCOUNT IN EVERY DECISION WE MAKE AS COUNCIL AND HOW

4:09:00PM WE'RE APPROVING THESE NEIGHBORHOOD PDs.
4:09:04PM AGAIN, IT'S NOT GOING TO GET ANY BETTER.
4:09:06PM IT'S JUST GOING TO GET WORSE.
4:09:09PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER VIERA.
4:09:10PM >>LUIS VIERA: THANK YOU FOR THAT, COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
4:09:13PM WHAT I SAY IS, IT CHANGES URGENCY AND, QUITE FRANKLY,
4:09:16PM INTENSITY.
4:09:17PM TOMORROW I'LL VISIT FOUR PEOPLE, ALL WORKING CLASS PEOPLE IN
4:09:22PM NORTH TAMPA WHO LOST EVERYTHING, HAVE NO FLOOD INSURANCE.
4:09:24PM AND THEY DON'T HAVE MUCH ANYWHERE TO GO.
4:09:27PM ONE FELLOW IS LIVING IN A TRAILER.
4:09:29PM SATURDAY I'LL VISIT THREE MORE.
4:09:30PM I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY I VISITED AT THEIR HOMES.
4:09:33PM IT'S NOT IN TERMS OF POLICY.
4:09:36PM IT'S IN TERMS OF URGENCY.
4:09:38PM AND INTENSITY.
4:09:39PM THAT'S IT.
4:09:42PM YEAH, PROBABLY ABOUT TEN THIS WEEKEND.
4:09:46PM THAT'S MY VIEW.
4:09:47PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:09:48PM WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
4:09:50PM A ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:09:52PM >> POINT OF ORDER --
4:09:54PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: WELL, MY READING OF IT, COUNCIL'S PLEASURE
4:09:57PM NOT TO DO THAT TODAY, I'LL BRING IT BACK UP AGAIN WHEN IT

4:10:02PM COMES TIME TO VOTE ON A FUND, WHEN IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL.
4:10:06PM THIS IS NOT YOUR FINAL OPPORTUNITY.
4:10:10PM >>THE CLERK: THIS IS FOR ITEMS 58 AND 59.
4:10:13PM >> YES.
4:10:13PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THEM TOGETHER?
4:10:15PM WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
4:10:16PM ROLL CALL VOTE.
4:10:17PM >>ALAN CLENDENIN: YES.
4:10:19PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: YES.
4:10:20PM >>LUIS VIERA: YES.
4:10:21PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: YES.
4:10:23PM >>BILL CARLSON: NO.
4:10:24PM >>LYNN HURTAK: YES.
4:10:25PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: NO.
4:10:27PM >>THE CLERK: THE MOTION CARRIED WITH CARLSON AND MANISCALCO
4:10:30PM VOTING NO.
4:10:30PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:10:32PM ITEM NUMBER 60.
4:10:38PM THIS IS MR. BAIRD UNLESS THERE IS SOMEBODY ELSE.
4:10:53PM >>MARTIN SHELBY: IF WE COULD ASK PEOPLE TO BE QUIET ON THE
4:10:55PM WAY OUT.
4:10:59PM I BELIEVE THERE IS A GENTLEMAN HERE WHO IS IN FROM OUT OF
4:11:02PM TOWN ON THIS.
4:11:03PM AND HE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE IT HEARD TODAY, IF
4:11:05PM YOU CAN DO IT BRIEFLY.

4:11:07PM I SUSPECT HE'S PREPARED.
4:11:08PM IT IS THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK.
4:11:10PM I UNDERSTAND MR. McCRAY IS HERE.
4:11:12PM AS LONG AS WE HAVE PEOPLE MOVING OUT QUIETLY, MAYBE WE CAN
4:11:15PM HAVE THAT DONE.
4:11:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: HELLO, MR. McCRAY.
4:11:24PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY: CEDRIC McCRAY, INTERIM COMMUNITY
4:11:27PM REDEVELOPMENT AREA MANAGER.
4:11:31PM HERE FOR ITEM 60 TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE AND ANSWER QUESTIONS
4:11:33PM YOU HAVE.
4:11:34PM REPRESENTATIVES FROM LAMB COULD NOT BE HERE DUE TO
4:11:40PM CONFLICTS.
4:11:41PM I'M HERE TO BRIEFLY DISCUSS THE PROJECT AND ANSWER ANY
4:11:44PM QUESTIONS MOVING FORWARD.
4:11:45PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. McCRAY?
4:11:48PM YOU SAID THERE WAS SOMEONE HERE FROM OUT OF TOWN.
4:11:51PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY: I WAS NOT AWARE OF THAT UNTIL A FEW MOMENTS
4:11:54PM AGO.
4:11:55PM >>BILL CARLSON: I THINK THE CONCERN IN THE COMMUNITY IS IT'S
4:11:57PM NOT MOVING FORWARD.
4:11:58PM I THINK YOU HAVE AN UPDATE THAT IT IS MOVING FORWARD.
4:12:01PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY: YES.
4:12:02PM WORK IS SCHEDULED TO START IN JANUARY OF 2025.
4:12:06PM >>BILL CARLSON: HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE?
4:12:07PM ANY OTHER DATA THAT YOU CAN -- SORRY TO MAKE YOU WAIT SO

4:12:12PM LONG.
4:12:12PM >>CEDRIC McCRAY: NO COMPLETION DATE YET ANTICIPATED.
4:12:15PM WORK IS SCHEDULED TO START IN JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR.
4:12:21PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: DO WE HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND?
4:12:22PM MOTION FROM COUNCILMAN CLENDENIN.
4:12:24PM SECOND FROM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA.
4:12:26PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:12:27PM AYE.
4:12:28PM ANY OPPOSED?
4:12:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ITEM 66, REQUEST TO HAVE SOMEBODY HERE.
4:12:35PM STAFF WILL BE PRESENT.
4:12:37PM HELLO, MR. MULKEY IS IT YOU?
4:12:46PM >>TONY MULKEY: TONY MULKEY, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR.
4:12:49PM I'M HERE TO FOLLOW UP ON A MOTION FOR SOME INFORMATION ABOUT
4:12:52PM THE VENDING AND CATERING AT THE TAMPA RIVER CENTER AND TO
4:12:58PM DISCUSS POTENTIAL POLICY UPDATES TO THAT.
4:13:00PM THIS WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR A WORKSHOP IN LATE
4:13:04PM SEPTEMBER THAT WAS INTERRUPTED BY SOME WEATHER.
4:13:06PM BUT JUST A REAL BRIEF HISTORY ON THIS, THE RIVER CENTER
4:13:12PM OPENED IN 2018.
4:13:14PM AND WE WENT OUT WITH RFQ TO FIND VENDORS FOR CATERING
4:13:19PM SERVICES THERE.
4:13:20PM WE EMULATED THE PRIVATE MARKET AND THE STRUCTURE THAT MANY
4:13:23PM OTHER VENUES USED WHEN WE WERE ESTABLISHING OUR FEES AND
4:13:27PM ESTABLISHING OUR APPROACH TO HAVING PREFERRED VENDORS.

4:13:29PM WE WENT BACK TO THE MARKET IN 2022, AND THAT RESULTED IN THE
4:13:36PM CURRENT LIST OF PREFERRED VENDORS THAT EXPIRE IN APRIL OF
4:13:41PM 2025.
4:13:41PM WITH CONCERNS ABOUT OPPORTUNITY AND EQUITY AND JUST BASIC
4:13:50PM KIND OF ADAPTATION TO THE ACTIVITIES AND THE EVENTS THAT THE
4:13:55PM COMMUNITY WANTED, THERE'S BEEN A REQUEST TO SEE WHAT WE
4:13:58PM COULD DO TO BE MORE INCLUSIVE AND ADD MORE PEOPLE, LENGTHEN
4:14:03PM THE BENCH, IF YOU WILL.
4:14:04PM SO WHAT I AM HERE TO KIND OF PROPOSE AND I'M KIND OF REALLY
4:14:08PM CURTAILING SOME OF THE INFORMATION HERE, MOVING FORWARD WE
4:14:12PM ARE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH AN RFP PROCESS.
4:14:16PM THAT LOCKS US IN FOR TOO LONG WITH TOO FEW VENDORS.
4:14:20PM WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THE PROCESS TO ALLOW FOR YEAR-ROUND
4:14:25PM APPROVALS OF VENDORS AND CATERERS.
4:14:28PM THERE WILL BE GUIDELINES, OF COURSE, THEY HAVE TO MEET
4:14:33PM PROPER LICENSING.
4:14:35PM THEY WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO THE RULES OF THE FACILITY AS
4:14:37PM WELL AS GO THROUGH AN ORIENTATION FOR THE RIVER CENTER.
4:14:40PM THIS WILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO BRING THEIR OWN VENDORS IN AND WE
4:14:44PM WILL HELP GUIDE THEM THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
4:14:46PM WE WOULD TRY TO CONVEY THAT INFORMATION VERY PUBLICLY, VERY
4:14:50PM TRANSPARENTLY TO AVOID SOME OF THE PERCEIVED CONFLICTS AND
4:14:55PM JUST KIND OF CLUNKY ADAPTATIONS AS WE'VE GROWN WITH THE
4:15:00PM RIVER CENTER AND NOW KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE
4:15:03PM OPERATIONS AND THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS ARE.

4:15:06PM I'LL KIND OF LEAVE IT THERE TO ASK QUESTIONS, BUT OUR
4:15:09PM TIMELINE ON THIS IS BEGINNING OF JANUARY TO REALLY START
4:15:12PM ROLLING THIS OUT TO BROADCAST IT WITH ALL THE DETAILS.
4:15:15PM THERE ARE A FEW THINGS TO STILL WORK THROUGH, BUT WE'RE VERY
4:15:18PM CLOSE.
4:15:19PM AND THEN BE ABLE TO BRING PEOPLE INTO THE FOLD AS THOSE
4:15:24PM OTHER CONTRACTS EXPIRE.
4:15:26PM ONCE THEY GET ON THAT LIST, AS LONG AS THEY MAINTAIN THEIR
4:15:29PM STATUSES, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO STAY THERE AND OPERATE.
4:15:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON, THIS WAS YOUR
4:15:35PM ORIGINAL MOTION.
4:15:36PM DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR SATISFIED WITH THE REPORT?
4:15:39PM >>GWEN HENDERSON: WE HAD AN EXTENSIVE MEETING THIS WEEK.
4:15:42PM ATTORNEY BRODY, I AM VERY HAPPY WITH THE END RESULT OF
4:15:45PM WHAT'S GOING TO BE COMING FORWARD AND I DON'T WANT TO
4:15:48PM BELABOR THE POINT.
4:15:49PM I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
4:15:51PM IT PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE PEOPLE TO SERVICE JBL.
4:15:57PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: COUNCIL MEMBER CARLSON.
4:15:59PM >>BILL CARLSON: THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
4:16:01PM THIS WAS A GREAT IDEA.
4:16:03PM GREAT INSIGHT.
4:16:04PM THANK YOU TO MR. MULKEY AND STAFF FOR BEING FLEXIBLE ON
4:16:07PM THIS.
4:16:07PM THIS IS A GREAT THING FOR THE COMMUNITY.

4:16:10PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
4:16:11PM THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
4:16:11PM THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE TODAY.
4:16:13PM THAT CONCLUDES THAT.
4:16:15PM I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA.
4:16:17PM CAN WE HOLD NEW BUSINESS UNTIL TONIGHT?
4:16:19PM 68 WAS RESCHEDULED.
4:16:24PM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
4:16:30PM >>LYNN HURTAK: I JUST NEED --
4:16:32PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: ALL RIGHT.
4:16:32PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ALL I NEEDED TO DO WAS MOVE THE THINGS I SAID
4:16:35PM I WAS GOING TO MOVE THIS MORNING.
4:16:37PM I'M GOING TO RESCHEDULE TWO OF MY IN-PERSON STAFF REPORTS
4:16:40PM SCHEDULED FOR DECEMBER 19, 2024, TO FEBRUARY 20, 2025.
4:16:46PM STAFF TO WORK ON THE CITY COUNCIL -- WITH THE CITY COUNCIL
4:16:49PM BUDGET ANALYST TO CREATE A FIVE-MINUTE IN-PERSON REPORT TO
4:16:52PM PRESENT AN OVERVIEW OF THE RECENTLY COMPLETED $45 MILLION
4:16:55PM TAMPA CONVENTION CENTER RENOVATION PROJECT AND STAFF TO
4:16:58PM PRESENT A FIVE-MINUTE IN-PERSON REPORT ON OVERVIEW OF THE
4:17:01PM SOON TO BE COMPLETED LOWER PENINSULA WATERSHED PLAN PROJECT.
4:17:04PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION -- YES, SIR.
4:17:06PM WAIT.
4:17:06PM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK WITH A MOTION.
4:17:09PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER CLENDENIN.
4:17:10PM ALL IN FAVOR?

4:17:11PM AYE.
4:17:12PM ANY OPPOSED?
4:17:13PM >>LYNN HURTAK: ONE MORE.
4:17:14PM I WANT TO PRESENT A COMMENDATION TO THE WOMEN'S HISTORY
4:17:16PM COMMITTEE AT THE WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH ANNUAL CELEBRATION ON
4:17:19PM MARCH 4, 2025 AT THE TAMPA HISTORY CENTER.
4:17:22PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: WE HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER
4:17:23PM HURTAK.
4:17:24PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
4:17:25PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:17:26PM AYE.
4:17:27PM ANY OPPOSED?
4:17:27PM ANYTHING ELSE?
4:17:28PM COUNCILMAN MIRANDA, DO YOU NEED TO MAKE IT RIGHT NOW?
4:17:31PM >>CHARLIE MIRANDA: I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD A
4:17:34PM BIANNUAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROSPECTIVELY REPORT AND
4:17:37PM PRESENTATION WORKSHOP MEETING FEBRUARY 27 OF 2025.
4:17:40PM >>GUIDO MANISCALCO: MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
4:17:42PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HURTAK.
4:17:43PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:17:44PM ANYTHING ELSE, SIR?
4:17:45PM MOTION TO RECEIVE AND FILE BY COUNCIL MEMBER HENDERSON.
4:17:48PM SECOND FROM COUNCIL MEMBER MIRANDA.
4:17:49PM ALL IN FAVOR?
4:17:50PM AYE.
4:17:51PM [ SOUNDING GAVEL ]
4:17:51PM WE ARE -- WE WILL BE BACK AT 5:01 P.M.
4:17:55PM [MEETING ADJOURNED]

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